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Why all the angst against Apple lately?
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No, I'm pissed that when I first got my mac, which was a $2000 computer, it had dust behind the screen. It also had a semi-operational CD drive, and the latch broke. The man I talked to was very nice, and at the time I wasn't able to part with it for repair. Eventually I was able to live with the problems, but I was told that when I had time to part with it, they would fix it no problem.
After I dented it, they refused to even fix even the documented problems, from the first week of ownership. Also, the lady was a jerk.
So then they fix the problems, but only after arguing with them for what I should have had, under the terms and conditions set forth in Applecare, as well as the agreement I had (which was documented in my account). After that experience, I am mad at them.
I don't mind that they wouldn't fix the dent, and I don't mind that they tried to charge me $1200 to fix it - what angers me is that things that had nothing to do with the dent weren't covered, and how I was yelled at.
I lasted about 4 years too. I don't think that it's 4 years, so much as that Apple has just changed, and their culture of "we're always right" just doesn't work when you're a big boy and your customers have so many opinions.
They don't matter. Back in the day, the G4 had a 133mhz bus while every windows machine had a 333mhz bus, but the G4 was "superior" in every way... at least that's what mac zealots would say. I don't see how you could be complaining about a lower front side bus today, while just a few years ago mac's had anemic FSB's...
It's so amusing that so many Apple haters hang out here.
What's the point? You aren't convincing anyone.Because Macs from years ago are little more than collector's items in the big picture. I never used PPC Macs anyway; I was a PC user until Macs had had Intel processors for a little while.
*facepalm*
You are quick to call everyone else a hater, but you are just bashing MS all over the place with no logic or reasoning. I dont like Apple as a company. Or as a hardware manufacturer. They do make some great programs though. Call me a hater if you must, but im not going to blindly approve of everything Apple does just because i like Logic.
The reasoning is simple. The registry and ancient DOS support needs to be written out of Windows. It's old technology that is a the root of the problems with Windows. Congrats if you all have experienced fewer Windows problems than I did, but Unix is better whether it comes in the form of the various flavors of Linux or Mac OS X.
As to not liking companies, remember the Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit?
Apple certainly isn't perfect (remember the $600 first gen iPhones, that were promptly cut in price a few months later, dropping FireWire from the MacBook [djellison made a good point there], and for me dropping the ExpressCard slot from the 15" MBP), but I don't recall them ever having that level of legal action taken against them.
As to not liking companies, remember the Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit?
Apple certainly isn't perfect (remember the $600 first gen iPhones, that were promptly cut in price a few months later, dropping FireWire from the MacBook [djellison made a good point there], and for me dropping the ExpressCard slot from the 15" MBP), but I don't recall them ever having that level of legal action taken against them.
Yeah.. already thought so.... It explains the 'Micro$oft' etc. I've noticed that a lot of the switchers have become extreme Apple fanboys and hate EVERYTHING Microsoft makes. This topic is about Apple and not about Microsoft though...
I like Apple, but they have done some stupid like some of the posters said in this topic. The missing FW port on the Unibody MacBook was just plain stupid. Mac OS X isn't anymore what it used to be in my opinion.
And despite that - only a tiny tiny minority of people will ever have heard of, care about, or seen the registry. You're going on and on and on about it like the registry stops anybody achieving anything. It's fine. People browse the web, check their email, get photos of their camera and Skype with their friends and never ever ever know the registry even exists. It doesn't matter.
And you want anti-trust law suits? Go look at the company who made the very processors that brought you to Apple. Seriously - who cares? Apple have had anti-trust law suits as well. Their behaviour with Google regarding Apps is outrageous right now.
There's a fanboy in this thread - oh yes.
...and there's also djellison that comes out at every opportunity to attack Apple.
Not sure why you bother hanging out in these apple related forums.
Your history of postings make it so obvious.
/await sarcastic response.
I'm a Mac user. Just because I don't go weak at the knees for everything Apple does, I am still a Mac user. Just because I see problems with hardware and software out of Cupertino, I'm STILL a Mac user. I'm also a Windows user.
I want to know why Mac2x is going on and on, at GREAT length, on why Windows is bad. He doesn't use it - why would he care. A big list of real, tangible, actual problems I think Apple have had in the past 2 or so years - and no real comments from the Apple clan.
Clearly the majority of people here think it's OK to charge £70 for a DL-DVI adaptor that doesn't work, or fit a £1000 laptop with a screen you wouldn't see on a £300 laptop.
Some of us are not so hopelessly dorky and infatuated with apple that we give them unconditional praise. I call 'em like I see 'em. As much as I like apple products and OS X, I have plenty of things I do not like about The Apple Way. It's an opinion and I'll express it if I like, thanks.
Seriously? There was nothing but complains about Firewire. If you go find the first Macrumors new articles about it I'll bet you that they'll have a majority of negative rating. Very few people actually agreed with the firewire decision. (Here's one example BTW https://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/17/steve-jobs-on-lack-of-firewire-in-macbooks/)
Do you go to the iPhone forums often? People complained about the lack of MMS since forever!! Yes, some people said email was better, probably the same people that still say email is better. The people that now are happy with MMS are the same people that ALWAYS wanted MMS. And did you see how many threads came criticizing Apple for taking so long to add MMS?
I agree that Apple isn't perfect, and there's a lot of decisions that they made that I don't agree with. I do like their products though. But you guys act like everyone who likes Apple and defends something they do is just a fanboy. And you usually also ignore all the comments of people actually criticizing Apple and focus on the ones praising them, like the two examples above. But honestly, I've seen more people calling everyone a fanboy lately than actual fanboys.
You are missing my point, so ill just spell it out for you:
You blatantly contradict yourself in order to take a stab at MS and support Apple.
You say nobody would buy crappy products, yet windows owns 95% of the OS market share, which you counter by saying windows is a terrible os used by a ton of people. A ton of people you just said wouldnt buy something if it is indeed terrible.
I watch the iPhone forums for the entire time and up until MMS was rumored to go to the iPhone if any one complained about it with in seconds a few people would come screaming about how email was better and MMS was old technology. that needs to be phased out. Tell your friends to do email .... and so on.
It was really kind of sad how blind the followers were.
To many of the blind apple fan boys can not see apple screws up. Apple makes mistake. Any one complains about apple they go off calling them a troll, Microsoft lover, non mac users ect.
It's so amusing that so many Apple haters hang out here.
Same could be said for all the Apple evangelists out there.
It's only true because Apple is the underdog in computer market share. They have to make nice stuff that works to keep their customers happy while hopefully attracting new people. They HAVE to or their already small market share would disappear. MS doesn't have to worry about that because their market is so huge that it truly makes no difference to them. Windows is a rotten OS, made by a company who is so massive that they really can't provide the kind of OS that Apple does, or even something like Ubuntu Linux.
Most people buy Windows (and I was one of them) because it's everywhere and the hardware it typically runs on is very low priced. If it's worth it to you that's great, but it's not worth it to me and that's why I switched to Apple. Apple has satisfied me to a level MS and my old Dell desktop (great customer service though; original LCD went out and they sent me a new one within two days) never did.
I find it hilarious that you people can dish criticism out, but you can't take it. Grow up.
If you don't like a company, don't buy from them. And don't criticize us for our choice at every turn.I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or the other. Make the choice that's best for you, but don't come on here and troll about everything that's wrong with someone else's choice.
It's not someone elses choice -it's MY choice. Things I've bought, or have thought of buying. Go back and read the list I posed early in this thread. I they unjustified criticisms?
In terms of environment changes, I don't game as much as I used to. Most of the stuff I do these days is web base and I am not so inclined to continuously upgrade my hardware anymore. And that I don't really use as much software that I used too.
What has change for me to get a Mac was Apple moving to the Intel processor and being able to bootcamp into Windows if I needed too.
But honestly price was the big factor. I was able to get a previous generation top of the line MBP for $1600 NIB the week the new unibody came out. The same laptop was selling for $2500 a few days earlier. To me, the value to price ratio was more reasonable to me.
What has change for me to get a Mac was Apple moving to the Intel processor and being able to bootcamp into Windows if I needed too.
But honestly price was the big factor. I was able to get a previous generation top of the line MBP for $1600 NIB the week the new unibody came out. The same laptop was selling for $2500 a few days earlier. To me, the value to price ratio was more reasonable to me.
I'm getting to the point of just recommending hackintoshes now, instead of apple's overpriced iJunk.
I read your list, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact I agree on FireWire. That was a dumb decision, and personally I think it's weird that they replaced the uMB with a 13" Pro. Just doesn't seem right. Just put FireWire back on the uMB.
I do have a few points about your list:
1. I don't need MobileMe, never have, never will so it doesn't affect me.
2. iTunes 9 has been trouble-free for me.
3. I know a lot of people who are thrilled with their iPhones, and have never had problems.
4. I do think it was dumb to put a camera in the iPod Nano. Doesn't that make more sense on the iTouch where sharing options are broader?
5. I haven't switched to Snow Leopard because I think it's dumb to get a new OS immediately after release, thus turning yourself into a guinea pig for bugs. Leopard works just fine and is trouble-free in the 10.5.8 update. I'll probably upgrade, but not till all the bugs have been worked out.
6. I think the MB Air is a cool concept, but better I/O would be very nice. A far superior computer to a netbook if you need an ultraportable computer that actually can run serious apps though.
7. Over-priced is relative. Mac hardware is worth every penny to me. I did buy from a 3rd party Apple reseller so I didn't pay full list price.
Let's just agree to disagree and be done with it. Capische?
My main issue is that they have pretty awful quality control for a company that tries to pass their stuff off as "premium" and prices it as such.
I've used all sorts of hardware over the years. With laptops I started with Compaq and then HP and then Acer and then Dell and now Apple. I've had problems with the Dell and I complain about them a lot because I think Dell is overpriced and overrated. I had problems with Acer but never felt the need to complain because the cost was so incredibly low that it just didn't matter to me and I never ran into anyone who thought Acer was God's gift to man the way some folks seem to feel about other brands. Apple isn't nearly as bad as Dell, not by a long shot, but they're even more costly and their fans are even more abrasive so they invite criticism when things don't work out. I don't hold Apple to the same standard as Acer because I'm paying literally four times the cost and thus I'm viewing them with four times the scrutiny. So far my experience with Apple hasn't been terrible but it also hasn't been all that great. The costs for their hardware have outpaced anything else I've purchased for a similar purpose. My current guess is that I'll end up with a Lenovo next and see if they're a better all-around value than Dell or Apple or HP.
The answer to the original question is actually pretty straightforward.
Apple has gotten bigger and is selling its products to new customers who are not part of its established community. As such we're far less likely to smooth over the cracks and, since a lot of us use a variety of platforms, we're not going to put up with unfounded smack talk about other products we use because it implies we're stupid and we're not.
You get bigger, you get a less forgiving public. It happens.
Apple has gotten bigger and is selling its products to new customers who are not part of its established community. As such we're far less likely to smooth over the cracks and, since a lot of us use a variety of platforms, we're not going to put up with unfounded smack talk about other products we use because it implies we're stupid and we're not.
You get bigger, you get a less forgiving public. It happens.