I don't think Apple is creating a new platform. Tablet PCs have been around for awhile, but just recently has touch screen technology reached the point where Tablet computers are now viable and relatively affordable.
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I don't think Apple is creating a new platform. Tablet PCs have been around for awhile, but just recently has touch screen technology reached the point where Tablet computers are now viable and relatively affordable.
The point is that "the platform" could have been a lot more than the iPad is in its current incarnation. Running native desktop-grade OS on a touchscreen tablet clearly doesn't work, and it's reason why Windows based tablets had failed to catch on. But neither is slapping a phone-grade OS on a 9" tablet, which is exactly what Apple did with iPad.
Where is multitasking? Where is the widgets? Where is intelligent home screen tools? Running iPhone apps with a huge black blob around it? Where is front camera with iChat?
Other than big 9" screen, there is nothing particularly interesting or innovative about the iPad. Apple has gotten fat and lazy with iPhone/iPad. Jobs' practice of purposely withdrawing the features and then slow dripping them with subsequent releases to keep the early adopters upgrading.. that has gotten long in the tooth. With competition in mobile space heating up, not even most loyal Apple's customers are willing to put up with this any longer. So that's the reason for all the resentment.
As I'm becoming more of an Apple woman, I'm finding more and more hatred and debate from non-Apple users. Why is there so much opposition for Apple products, especially the iPad, when they're released?
Hello.
I'm confused too!
It's not just "Windows" or "Microsoft" people demonstrating an unusual amount of pure HATRED for Apple and Apple products.... There's some Linux guys out there that won't even talk to me after I let them know that I not only use Macs but actually like them a lot.
I thought that was odd because Mac OSX is the closest thing to their beloved Linux that hit the big time. I'd have thought they'd be happy to see something vaguely Linux-like start to knock down bad 'ol MS.
Wow was I wrong!
Maybe the "I'm a Mac" commercials annoy them?
Perhaps they view Apple adopting a UNIX-based OS as a sort of theft from Linus himself that goes against the Open-Source ideal?
Maybe they're a bunch of Curmudgeons that can't bear to see someone succeed at something?
Maybe they're Microsoft Operatives? Or possibly Illuminati?
Meanwhile, this particular Apple-come-lateley is very happy with all of my Apple products. Everything's nice, well thought out and does what I want with no fuss.
Watching Apple's success infuriate otherwise rational people (all Guys that I know of) puzzles and saddens me.
Oh Well,
Have Fun!
Keri
While I agree that technogically this is the right time to be introducing tablet computers I still think that the iPad represents an attempt at a new platform. This is the first time anyone has tried using a touch based OS on a larger screen tablet. Windows Tablet PCs are still mouse-and-keyboard OSs with touch functions added on top. Building from the ground up for touch is enough of a difference for me to class it as a new type of platform.
Way to go.. rather than addressing the topic at hand - worry about my signature. But since you ask - there is no "irony" there. I love MacOS and Apple's open computing products. I don't use iPhoneOS based products, because I refuse to support Apple's dictatorial control over iPhone ecosystem. Simple.
I don't see how any of this is relevant to this thread about iPad.. But from your post it's obvious you don't know anything about Android. "Fragmented market space" is basically a made up issue, it doesn't exist, which you'd know if you ever used an Android phone. Apps "loading viruses" or "stealing information" is such utter nonsense, not even worth debating. Just keep repeating these tired stereotypes, while Steve Jobs gets to decide what apps you can or cannot run on your phone.
That's a silly comment. Why? Why would those that hate the iPad going to "magically" feel different on April 4th. I know Jobs claimed the device was magical - but he didn't claim it could perform miracles.
And conversely - just to play devil's advocate. I wonder how many people who buy the iPad will get buyer's remorse. Funnier will be those that do but STILL insist otherwise.
My comment is no more or less silly than your response. I guess we'll see who's right when the time comes.
Depending on your definition of larger screen, I would still disagree. Archos has had 2 touch screen tablets and one of which is definitely based on the touch screen mobile OS (android). The Archos tablets are not as large as the iPad, but definitely were trying to do the same things. Regardless, the platform is not well defined, but I still don't think Apple created new one. I do think that Apple's presence will push companies to compete and that really bolds well for the customers.
I'm going with the iPad in this round, but will be keeping my eye out.
Here's the difference. You care about being right. I don't. The iPad is already destined for success. That doesn't mean people have to love it. Or that other devices can't be viable either.
But if you believe you're a better person for owning an iPad than someone who doesn't (whether they want one or don't) than go for it. More power to ya!
I meant new platform with the marriage of a touch OS and a tablet, not necessarily one or the other.
True enough on many of those points, but they also have to gauge reaction to some of these devices while meeting cost points and other factors. If they can get people to buy entry-level models and then upgrade over them subsequent releases... then it makes sense for a company to do that. I will be buying the iPad not because of what it doesn't do or because I'm a loyalist (I'm definitely not), but because based on what it does do and its price, I'm getting what I want out of the device.
Anyone who thought Apple was actually going to release a full-scale operating system on a tablet is a fool. I predicted that Apple was going to release it with the iPhone OS months before it was actually announced. The writing was all over the wall.
The feature set is not written in stone. Compare the 1st version of iPhone OS to 3.1.3. The OS has evolved so much. I mean we went from the core apps and crappy web apps to the most successful mobile app store ever.
People who are extremely disappointed because this feature or that feature wasn't released don't understand how Apple works. Apple starts small, they go with what works well. They don't try to be too ambitious and leap before they look. That's why the App Store didn't come until later. When the first iPod came out, I laughed because I had a 40gig nomad and the iPod was 5 gigs. When I finally bought in with a 3rd generation iPod I understood what the hype was about. Now they have what, 7 generations of classic iPods? I mean Apple constantly evolves. That's how the tech sector works. Have all the other tablets released previously sold anything? Nope. And they will continue to be in the minority. The iPad on the other hand will beat them all. Just watch and see. Flash will be irrelevant in the long stretch. Content providers will be itching to get their content on iPads they will go with whatever works.
The feature set is not written in stone. Compare the 1st version of iPhone OS to 3.1.3. The OS has evolved so much. I mean we went from the core apps and crappy web apps to the most successful mobile app store ever.
People who are extremely disappointed because this feature or that feature wasn't released don't understand how Apple works. Apple starts small, they go with what works well. They don't try to be too ambitious and leap before they look. That's why the App Store didn't come until later. When the first iPod came out, I laughed because I had a 40gig nomad and the iPod was 5 gigs. When I finally bought in with a 3rd generation iPod I understood what the hype was about. Now they have what, 7 generations of classic iPods? I mean Apple constantly evolves. That's how the tech sector works. Have all the other tablets released previously sold anything? Nope. And they will continue to be in the minority. The iPad on the other hand will beat them all. Just watch and see. Flash will be irrelevant in the long stretch. Content providers will be itching to get their content on iPads they will go with whatever works.
i started out on macs with os 7, os 8 and then hopped over to windows 98/xp and even built a few windows systems myself. My main beef with windows was the annoying anti-virus stuff, having to restart the computer for lots of things, and rather than deal with anti-virus stuff, i'd reformat my HD every year or so, it just became a pain in the neck yet I was not going to switch to OS X until they adopted intel. As soon as intel macs came aboard, i hopped over. sure, it was fun fixing my own computer when i was in high school but in college, i just didn't have to mess around anymore and needed something that was much simpler to use. i still have a copy of windows on my mac and will use it from time to time. Even though i use OS X now about 95% of the time, i still see myself as a dual user and if windows becomes much better and OS X crashes and burns, well, i have no problem going back to windows. too many hard core windows techies are too stuck up to see if the other side is indeed better. i use the system that helps me get work done faster and right now, it's OS X.
Yeah, enjoy your booberry and that ridiculous small screen.
Or enjoy the ridiculous screen on our iPhone. He raised a valid point. What else can you do on the iPad that you cannot do on your iPhone? OK, it's slightly more powerful and it has a larger screen.
But has it got a camera? Or a GPS? Ok, the lack of GPS is not a great deal as it is useless in the iPhone, anyway.
dont stress it - it's just a fanboy/technogeek/jealously issue some peeps are having, get the ipad if it fits ur needs im sure u will love it.
i think over half the haters will get one eventualy - look what happened with iphone........
my 2p
1. It's not just jealousy, but the frustration with Apple Inc and their decisions.
2. I think you meant to post to another thread. I know, I've just been there.
3. I never hated the iPhone - until I got one.
No camera, but yes GPS (on the 3G model). The GPS on the iPhone is NOT useless--I and plenty of other people use it to map and find directions all the time. It's your business if you don't like the iPhone and don't plan to like the iPad--but keep your facts accurate and don't try to spread FUD.
Here is the item from the tech specs:
Location
Wi-Fi
Digital compass
Assisted GPS (Wi-Fi + 3G model)
Cellular (Wi-Fi + 3G model)
the human factor
Gee, how many cameras do I need? I have one on the 3GS and a Pentax K-x doing that aplenty. One day the iPad will have one too. Then I can make 3D movies. I'll live till then.
GPS on the 3G iPad will prove to have more features, uses in due course. Not sweating that either.
As they said one time about this internet thing, "Content is king."
Some folks will learn that soon enough. Content is nothing unless a human can access it. Many people will not sit and browse on an iPhone more than on occasion due to the utility factor.
Human beings have limits and preferences. The iPad will give them far more.
Gee, how many cameras do I need? I have one on the 3GS and a Pentax K-x doing that aplenty. One day the iPad will have one too. Then I can make 3D movies. I'll live till then.
GPS on the 3G iPad will prove to have more features, uses in due course. Not sweating that either.
As they said one time about this internet thing, "Content is king."
Some folks will learn that soon enough. Content is nothing unless a human can access it. Many people will not sit and browse on an iPhone more than on occasion due to the utility factor.
Human beings have limits and preferences. The iPad will give them far more.
People are fickle. How else do you explain the millions of iPhone users praising and showing off their iPhones and their browser experience. Spending hours a day on their iPhones (including surfing, etc) - and thinking it was the best experience on the web "ever."
Ahh but now we have the iPad and the same people (perhaps yourself) now want to imply that the iPhone has limits and the browsing experience isn't all that great - but with the iPad - it will be SO much better.
I don't disagree that surfing on the iPad will be better than on the iPhone. That's a no brainer. But funny how there was never a utilization issue for the iPhone until there was an alternative.
And if that's the case - then no one should be arguing against other people who think that lack of flash or other limitations of the device makes the iPad better than other devices that can use such technologies. No?
There's always going to be something better or that claims to be better. But in the ends - there's room for more than one device/technology in the marketplace.
But I digress...
Yawn.....
One of the reasons I'm getting the iPad is absolutely so I have web access that is so much better: as defined by me. The user. The consumer. The king.
Arguing that with any consumer is pointless. The consumer determines the value of a product's introduction - with their wallet.
What appears to bother the haters is many folks will be plenty pleased with the product while they aren't for whatever reason.
Morale of the story: it ain't you. Get over yourselves.
Besides, it's a first generation product and it gives us plenty to utilize right now. Maybe not for some tech geeks that want a swiss knife crammed into this thing with everything they can dream of but what first generation product ever does?
This is a game changing product. People should wake up to that reality and it's frankly astounding these geeks don't get that. (Not an ad hominem on any poster here. This is "big picture" pardon the pun.)
One of the reasons I'm getting the iPad is absolutely so I have web access that is so much better: as defined by me. The user. The consumer. The king.
Arguing that with any consumer is pointless. The consumer determines the value of a product's introduction - with their wallet.
What appears to bother the haters is many folks will be plenty pleased with the product while they aren't for whatever reason.
Morale of the story: it ain't you. Get over yourselves.
Besides, it's a first generation product and it gives us plenty to utilize right now. Maybe not for some tech geeks that want a swiss knife crammed into this thing with everything they can dream of but what first generation product ever does?
This is a game changing product. People should wake up to that reality and it's frankly astounding these geeks don't get that. (Not an ad hominem on any poster here. This is "big picture" pardon the pun.)
Conversely - those that love the iPad want to label anyone that might have issues with it as a hater. So arguing with them on how the iPad is the best device and/or that they don't understand the big picture is condescending and pointless, no?
Moral of the story - both sides need to understand that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. If whatever device they want or don't want works for them, that's all that matters.
Vote with your wallet - indeed. But at the same time- there's no need for either "side" to judge or make assumptions about the other based on how they voted.
Moral of the story - both sides need to understand that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. If whatever device they want or don't want works for them, that's all that matters.
Vote with your wallet - indeed. But at the same time- there's no need for either "side" to judge or make assumptions about the other based on how they voted.