Why all the hate for iPad?

[rtabdo]

The iPad is about the apps. It's about the platform it creates for developers to do so much more.

10 years ago many of us has 15" screens. Now many of us have 24" screens or even bigger (27" iMac ) Is the user experience a lot better on my 27" then it was on my 15" ? ABSOLUTELY.

Same thing with TV's...is watching and NBA game better on a 47" LCD then it is on a 27" tube? YES.

It's about user experience and that screen real estate is going to do wonders for developers. I can't wait to see what they come up with.

 

[bossxii]

Way to go.. rather than addressing the topic at hand - worry about my signature. But since you ask - there is no "irony" there. I love MacOS and Apple's open computing products. I don't use iPhoneOS based products, because I refuse to support Apple's dictatorial control over iPhone ecosystem. Simple.



I don't see how any of this is relevant to this thread about iPad.. But from your post it's obvious you don't know anything about Android. "Fragmented market space" is basically a made up issue, it doesn't exist, which you'd know if you ever used an Android phone. Apps "loading viruses" or "stealing information" is such utter nonsense, not even worth debating. Just keep repeating these tired stereotypes, while Steve Jobs gets to decide what apps you can or cannot run on your phone.

You clearly have some struggles to iron out, you state you love Apple's open computing products... then your sig states the exact opposite. I think you make my point rather well.

Do you even read what you write? It's very relevant as it tries to show your "anti Apple" now that the iPad or iPhone is not what you personally wanted. Making your argument irrelevant. If you actually believed what you wrote, you would have sold every Apple device you own and purchased Win/Android based products.

"Do not support closed computing and corporate censorship - switch to Android!
MacBook Air 2.13Ghz SSD w/ LED Cinema 24" | Mac Mini 2.26Ghz 4GB/320GB Blu-ray | AppleTV 40GB (2)"

As to the owning an Android phone, no I don't own one, but I have used one for many hours via several buddies at work as we are all tied to VZW contracts. G1's, Droids etc... the fact they can't upgrade to the latest 2.1, or use certain apps because their screen resolution isn't happening huh? I'll give them your number so you can explain to them why. I don't need to own an Android phone to be able to read articles, forums and see friends using them to know their are issues with it.

Just as some Apple fans think everything Apple does it 100% right, perfect etc... Spewing Android is the most wonderful, open, trouble free platform is just as ignorant.

I choose to use the best product for my needs. Apple or otherwise.

 

[Romanesq]

Indeed..

There's never going to be a camera in this model so why complain (endlessly) about that and other features coming down the road.

The focus now is on content and the software. I'm getting this bad boy and looking to see what come in an OS 4.0 version.

Everything else is just getting stuck in the weeds IMHO. The gold rush of applications for iPad is only BEGINNING.

Transformative for the world: Thank you Steve!

 

[guycross]

I have been reading this post all day, and it has helped me string some thoughts together.

I love the open internet - I love the fact anyone can publish high quality media - just with a PC or smartphone.

Its blurred the lines between media and jounraling!

The iPad could kill a lot of this freedom, unless we are careful.

I blogged about it

http://www.freeipadblog.co.uk/blog/2010/03/25/why-the-apple-ipad-will-be-bad-for-the-internet/

 

[samcraig]

I have been reading this post all day, and it has helped me string some thoughts together.

I love the open internet - I love the fact anyone can publish high quality media - just with a PC or smartphone.

Its blurred the lines between media and jounraling!

The iPad could kill a lot of this freedom, unless we are careful.

I blogged about it

http://www.freeipadblog.co.uk/blog/2010/03/25/why-the-apple-ipad-will-be-bad-for-the-internet/

Sorry - I read your blog and consider myself intelligent. But I really didn't understand your point.

 

[jb1280]

Sorry - I read your blog and consider myself intelligent. But I really didn't understand your point.

Not to pile on, but I see no correlation between the ability of for-profit enterprises to monetize iPad specific content and the ability of free-lance individuals to have their content easily accessible on the iPad.

 

[diabolic]

There is zero chance that independent content providers will be hurt by the iPad. Outlets like CBS or magazines like Wired, whether they are charging for the content or not, will have no effect on independents and their ability to self-publish.

 

[samcraig]

There is zero chance that independent content providers will be hurt by the iPad. Outlets like CBS or magazines like Wired, whether they are charging for the content or not, will have no effect on independents and their ability to self-publish.

I'll go one further. The iPad will actually increase readership to such independent publishers because it will be far more enjoyable reading texts on the iPad screen vs an iPhone or iPod touch which might have otherwise been the device being used.

I don't have problems reading on my iPhone - and I've read several books via the Kindle App on it. But it's not my "preference." And I do less surfing on my iPhone than I do on my laptop or desktop because when I do it on the iPhone - it's because I'm mobile without any other option.

 

[guycross]

Sorry - I read your blog and consider myself intelligent. But I really didn't understand your point.

LoL

Well maybe i need to take another look at it - and i will

my point is, that because the iPad is inspiring content providers to create nice ways of paying for content, way that we are all kinda excited about using..

it could really harm personal bloggers and people who arent going to have the resources to make sexy iPad apps

 

[guycross]

To summarise in a different way, but make the same point

I think the iPad could make us lazy, stop us digging into the belly of the internet to find cool stuff to engage with - if its not on an app, or in an iPad friendly format - us iPadders (and I will be buying one) are likely to find it easier to ignore it...

to me its likely to be another step towards the corporate internet and a step away from the old days of personal websites being king

 

[bandrews]

To summarise in a different way, but make the same point

I think the iPad could make us lazy, stop us digging into the belly of the internet to find cool stuff to engage with - if its not on an app, or in an iPad friendly format - us iPadders (and I will be buying one) are likely to find it easier to ignore it...

to me its likely to be another step towards the corporate internet and a step away from the old days of personal websites being king

Surely we will still be able to browse the internet though? I am addicted to forums, blogs and review sites for cars/gadgets/random stuff but that doesn't stop me buying magazines. If you just substitute printed media for an app I don't see how other content is going to be affected. Maybe I misunderstood your point.

I'd love to get an iPad but can't really justify it. I think if I was starting from scratch I'd get an iPad and an iMac but having a perfectly good MacBook and 3GS it would be rather extravagant.

 

[guycross]

Of course we will be able to surf in a regular fashion, but I think that there is a possbility that the corporate content providers will make the interface of their apps so slick it will draw people away from regular sites

 

[flyguy206]

Of course we will be able to surf in a regular fashion, but I think that there is a possbility that the corporate content providers will make the interface of their apps so slick it will draw people away from regular sites

I don't see the problem the that means more jobs for people and that means more money for people. people don't understand that not paying for one thing effcts them in the long run.

 

[AJsAWiz]

As I'm becoming more of an Apple woman, I'm finding more and more hatred and debate from non-Apple users. Why is there so much opposition for Apple products, especially the iPad, when they're released?

Maybe because some people have nothing better to do . . .
Seriously, I think some people put down anything they secretly envy

 

[guycross]

I don't see the problem the that means more jobs for people and that means more money for people. people don't understand that not paying for one thing effcts them in the long run.

i'm clearly just a leftie/commie/liberal in favour of free health care (even for poor people)

but home made content is what made teh net the awesome place it is today... and long may it continue that way

 

[Phil A.]

I think the iPad really does polarise views! One thing I have noticed on here though is that as soon as anyone says anything negative about the iPad they're slapped down as a "hater". It's possible to be underwhelmed by the iPad without being a hater and just because something has got an Apple logo on it doesn't automatically make it fantastic (Apple Hi Fi anyone?)
Personally, I feel it is lacking in a few too many areas to make it a compelling purchase for me so I'll probably wait until I see what OS 4.0 brings but I'm sure millions of people will get it and enjoy it.

 

[bobob]

Perhaps the haters just can't see ahead of the curve...

 

[LadyHoneyBabe]

I've seen several posts referring to jealousy as the core for iPad hatred and I'm not so sure that's the reason. Other posts say it's stemming from a battle between 2 or 3 technologies (Windows and Linux)...

This is what I'm thinking now...

For the longest time, Windows (a great product) was the main undefeated champion of the computer world, but it was geared toward the tech person. Apple, which has always been visible, lost its place while MS continued to aggressively take over. Everyone was looking to Bill Gates for everything. Then Bill somewhat retired, handed his crown over to Steve Ballmer, but most people didn't even know who this Steve Ballmer person was. So, how could they expect to hang on to Steve Ballmer's every word? Also, I think Vista really disappointed tons of people which left the door open for Apple. Remember the commercials?

Now, Steve Jobs, after leaving Apple for a while, returned and has released products that are geared for the everyday consumer, starting with the iPod. The iPod caught on like wildfire and even celebrities started endorsing them. Since then, Apple been releasing some quality products that consumers enjoy integrating into their daily lives and has gained the consumer's trust.

So, the lines that MS used to get when they released the newest version of Windows are not there anymore. The consumers are lining up for Apple products. Sounds like a classic 'Changing of the Guard'...

 

[synth3tik]

Even people who hate Apple know that when they release a product it's a really big deal. especially something like a tablet.

Well, I think most were a little miffed when they saw a really large iPod Touch in Steve's hand. Everyone has high expectations of Apple, and the iPad didn't reach those expectations. And that name.

 

[4DThinker]

I don't believe anyone hates the ipad, as no-one I've heard complaining about it has had one to actually use. I'm a little let down as the specs don't meet my pre-announcement expectations, but the only hate I feel is that thrown at me for expressing those feelings, or sharing my experience with competing devices. It's clear Apple knows how to stir the kettle with a product announcement.

 

[jb1280]

Of course we will be able to surf in a regular fashion, but I think that there is a possbility that the corporate content providers will make the interface of their apps so slick it will draw people away from regular sites

Nothing is going to fundamentally change. Big corporate content providers already have slick convenient interfaces for people to access content: it's called the television and heavily advertised websites with slick interfaces.

Borrowing from a lot of different tired clichés, it's the content, stupid.

Just because cnn or msnbc or foxnews or abc or nbc or cnet or any myriad of other content companies make slick apps for the iPad does not make them any more useful to people who are accustomed to more nuanced and better information content available on the net so long as the big companies continue to produce the same old type of content.

There are also inherent limits on the usefulness of apps. Let's take The Atlantic for example. If they offer a reasonably priced paid app that is basically the print magazine - it would be incredible. If they offered an app that replicates their website it will be less compelling as their writers/bloggers write thoughtful things that link to things that other thoughtful people write.

I think you are overestimating the redundancy between apps and the internet and underestimating the power of a traditional browser interface.

I have one last point. There is a lot of just garbage on the internet. Everybody and their red-headed step child can have a blog. That's great in terms of personal expression and freedom of speech. That's not so great when someone is trying to find content. Not all arguments are equal, and this LCD aspect of the internet is at times bothersome. If, and this is a big if, devices such as the iPad allow for small and medium sized content companies to flourish and prosper, we will only have way better content on the internet, and even modest renumeration for good content creators is a great thing.

 

[guycross]

If, and this is a big if, devices such as the iPad allow for small and medium sized content companies to flourish and prosper, we will only have way better content on the internet, and even modest renumeration for good content creators is a great thing.

Yeah yeah, I agree.
I am just not convinced the iPad setup will allow for SME content providers to prosper...

but we shall see!

 

[hitekalex]

You clearly have some struggles to iron out, you state you love Apple's open computing products... then your sig states the exact opposite. I think you make my point rather well.

Do you even read what you write? It's very relevant as it tries to show your "anti Apple" now that the iPad or iPhone is not what you personally wanted. Making your argument irrelevant. If you actually believed what you wrote, you would have sold every Apple device you own and purchased Win/Android based products.

Do you understand the basic difference between open and closed Operating Systems? It is apparent from your posts that you don't.. Either that or you have reading comprehension problems.

Here's a good blog post that may explain the difference to you: Apple’s New Focus: Closed Computing-Because You Don’t Know Better

 

[sishaw]

I've seen several posts referring to jealousy as the core for iPad hatred and I'm not so sure that's the reason. Other posts say it's stemming from a battle between 2 or 3 technologies (Windows and Linux)...

This is what I'm thinking now...

For the longest time, Windows (a great product) was the main undefeated champion of the computer world, but it was geared toward the tech person. Apple, which has always been visible, lost its place while MS continued to aggressively take over. Everyone was looking to Bill Gates for everything. Then Bill somewhat retired, handed his crown over to Steve Ballmer, but most people didn't even know who this Steve Ballmer person was. So, how could they expect to hang on to Steve Ballmer's every word? Also, I think Vista really disappointed tons of people which left the door open for Apple. Remember the commercials?

Now, Steve Jobs, after leaving Apple for a while, returned and has released products that are geared for the everyday consumer, starting with the iPod. The iPod caught on like wildfire and even celebrities started endorsing them. Since then, Apple been releasing some quality products that consumers enjoy integrating into their daily lives and has gained the consumer's trust.

So, the lines that MS used to get when they released the newest version of Windows are not there anymore. The consumers are lining up for Apple products. Sounds like a classic 'Changing of the Guard'...

I think your sequence is a bit off. First, it was the original all-in-one iMac that was the first product Apple put out after Steve Jobs' return that was a hit with consumers, in 1998. The iPod came out in 2001. Second, Jobs came back well before Vista was released. Jobs came back to Apple in 1997, and Vista came out in 2006.

Try again.

 

[blackNBUK]

I'm rather conflicted on the whole question of open versus closed operating systems. I can definitely understand how closed computing can put serious limits on the progress of technology. A good example would be when CD ripping got going in the nineties. If closed computing had been the dominant model at the time it is unlikely that ripping would have been allowed. Without ripping the whole digital music revolution would have either never happened or would have happened in a very different way.

On the other hand the iPad is one closed computing platform in an entire sea of open platforms. For the most part, if I want to do something that isn't allowed I can do it on a Mac or a PC or a Unix box. Do I really need my media consumption device to be open as well?

Plus, there maybe advantages to closed computing for novice users in that someone independent will have inspected the programs they want to install. However sandboxing might be able to provide some of the same benefits.

Ultimately I would be happy if the iPad was closed by default but included a big red switch somewhere to allow any code to be run. If that doesn't happen then it's a trade-off between the theoretical benefits of open Android and the practical benefits of the iPad being IMHO the better tablet platform otherwise. Currently, the iPad wins for me.