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Never with Apple after I last tried to order two GPUs at AUD$15,000. They stuffed around and made excuses (yes sir you will definitely get them, I can assure you) then after a month no, we don’t have them. That was a stupid waste of time.

I don’t have much faith in them.
I missed you were in Australia. No idea what the stores do there.
 
Does your store has Vision Pro area? Do they have learning programs? And do they have Genius Bar?
That’s irrelevant. You stated they “all” have chairs. They do not all have chairs. Frankly, looking at Google images most do not. Maybe it’s a demographic issue. I’m in south Florida, near 80, I can stand up just fine. In Kansas City (images shows chairs all over the place), maybe people can’t.
 
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That’s irrelevant. You stated they “all” have chairs. They do not all have chairs. Frankly, looking at Google images most do not. Maybe it’s a demographic issue. I’m in south Florida, near 80, I can stand up just fine. In Kansas City (images shows chairs all over the place), maybe people can’t.
Google images lol. In my store they have chairs at Vision Pro, Genius Bar, and not on display tables. If you take a picture with demo tables, you won’t see any chairs. I have visited many Apple stores over the years when I travel, or passing by, they have chairs at certain isles of stores.
Irony is Apple accommodates request to sit an experience if you ask them.
 
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Hi all

Why Apple Store doesn't provide chair ?

I hate during visit apple store must standing try MacBook on the desk. Apple could provide chair at below the display desk.

It comfortable try MacBook while you are sitting. Nobody using their MacBook while standing.

I really can't decide MacBook Air 13 inch or 15 inch is better for me while try it on standing.
So buy it elsewhere - many retail’s sells it. Better service, if you ask me.
Apple are more trouble to deal with generally, then other stores that sells tech in my opinion today.
 
The closest store to me has a major seating area on boxes in the training area:

Apple Store Seating IMG_2687 Large.jpeg
 
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Apple has lot more products/ sub products compared to 10-15 years ago. I live near a big Apple Store, they kept adding more demo tables, as more products were launched. I don’t usually go there except for Genius Bar. I usually reserve my purchases and pick up.

Agreed. I don't recall the last time I went to an Apple Store for a demo to make up my mind... but it's great it exists for those that need it. I was commenting on the need for chairs, would like it, but just don't see Apple adding more than they need for their classes. They will use space to sell products. Regardless of how many people think sitting is a 'good idea.' Like I said, Apple optimizes for buyers not tire kickers. It's just business.
 
Why? At least then they’d be enjoyable to visit.

It’s not like the mid 2000s anymore when everyone was trying to find a free Wi-Fi spot
Everyone has the Internet café in their pocket

Business 101. If Apple needed to lure in customers by acting like an Internet cafe they would, but their stores are crowded as they are, almost regardless of size. If I want a good cup of coffee and relaxed atmosphere ... there are plenty of places like that. As I actually buy Apple products, I just want a store that makes that as quick and stocked as possible.
 
“All”? My Apple Store has no seating. Doing a simple Google Image search shows scores of Apple Stores without seating other than behind the back counter. Only 2 in a page full of images showed seating, one of which would be quite difficult to move seating around and I suspect were in a teaching environment. Mine just moved to a larger space, no seating.

Not to take away from your point.. but apple has been getting rid of the 'back counter' for years. You are looking at old pictures :) Not sure google image search is the best way of doing research. I don't recall being in an Apple Store, and I have been in a LOT.. that didn't have at least one table set up for classes with stools around it. Not saying they don't exist, because my data is only anecdotal but... Are you making a distinction between chairs and stools?
 
Hi all

Why Apple Store doesn't provide chair ?

I hate during visit apple store must standing try MacBook on the desk. Apple could provide chair at below the display desk.

It comfortable try MacBook while you are sitting. Nobody using their MacBook while standing.

I really can't decide MacBook Air 13 inch or 15 inch is better for me while try it on standing.

You know when you go to certain Chinese restaurants, the food may be great but they're very rude to you and also constantly approach your table to ask if you've finished?

Same reason, just a more subtle approach.
 
From your previous posts the only real Mac you have personally bought in the last decade (two? ever?) was the recently released m4 Mac mini because a) you conceded what most conceded 5 years ago, the Hackintosh was dead, b) Apple finally got down to your price point. No chair was required for the sale. You certainly didn't test drive one in the store with a chair. Even though you criticized the new form factor, you bought one. That's Apple's mic drop moment. Sale made.

Just wanted to clear a couple things up

1. I didn't move on from Hackintosh because it's "dead" - I was running the latest Sequoia beautifully and my machine was wonderful .. I had been keeping a Windows install for one specific old golf game and MSFS. I don't use MSFS anymore and the golf game I play with my nearly 88 year old relative works "good enough" with Whisky / Game Porting Toolkit

2. I absolutely test drove laptops at the Apple Store, multiple times and multiple stores in fact -- even bought one as I had Apple GC's to use (but sold it) as I'd originally planned to go with a "laptop to solve it all" ... and realized I don't enjoy laptops like I used to and was going to end up using it docked most all the time anyhow so a Mac Mini was a better option for me (I posted about this on here somewhere in the Mac Mini threads last month or there abouts)

And honestly, with regard to #1, my Uncle is sadly struggling to even be able to play anymore due to dementia, so it was a good time to part out my machine and still get pretty good component value (the PSU and GPU in particular). He's literally forgetting how to operate the game controller in between shots on the golf game :(


You will say, "I used the word 'perhaps'", but history suggests otherwise. If you had left mad I don't think it would have changed anything at all, including your posts. Regardless, all anecdotal, but a lot of MR arm chair engineers (see what I did there?) seem to make a crusade, or at least a hobby, of criticizing Apple on virtually everything, but to Theorist9's point, Apple optimizes for sales. Apple is a market driven business. That's not bad. That's capitalism.


This part above is totally unwarranted

I'd appreciate you being a bit more kind

You don't know everyone personally, nor what goes into who they are and what they say and why they buy or don't buy what they do.

Let's please try to be a little nicer all around -- a good message for 2025 for us all to strive towards 🙏
 
This part above is totally unwarranted

I'd appreciate you being a bit more kind

You don't know everyone personally, nor what goes into who they are and what they say and why they buy or don't buy what they do.

Let's please try to be a little nicer all around -- a good message for 2025 for us all to strive towards 🙏

Sorry if you took my comment as personal. No more than I take your negative comments personally. I come here for a balanced representation of facts, not to become people's friend, and I tend to speak out against blatantly black and white negative comments based on very selective individual criteria and ill thought desires. And while I don't know more than anyone else about other people other than they say (some say a LOT), I do appreciate people that speak from personal experience, and if someone keeps making a deal about how they don't buy things (because its too expensive) than I tend to say 'it's Apple, what's your point?'

blah blah. Call me out for not being nice. Nice :). Next time consider the private message center and I will :)

I stand by my point that Apple Stores optimizes its stores for people that buy, not people that tire kick. Sorry if that offends. It's just business 101. I do feel for those who standing can be painful after a while, I actually fall into that category, but I don't expect, want, or demand Apple to change for me. I am a realist, rather than hope Apple changes, I change to fit my personal situation. I hope Apple will be run as a business that makes enough profit to continue its research to keep coming out with great products. That means it designs for a broader audience and sometimes isn't optimized for me, me, me. All the doom and gloom and negativity gets old. Is that common ground?

And yes, speaking of chairs, I typed this sitting down in the comfort of my home :)
 
Why Apple Store doesn't provide chair ?
Part of me wants to say "Because they'd be proprietary Ive-designed chairs costing $10k each!".

But more practically I'd guess it's for avoiding clutter and keeping foot traffic moving.
 
I sit on the tables or the plant pots. No one has said anything, just given me the stink eye.
 
They want visitors to spend, I'm guessing, maybe a few to 10 minutes trying out their devices, and to then move on.

I never find myself having an inherent urge to sit . . . all of my in-Store "purchase" experiences have been in the 30-50min range (ur, one was much longer, but that was because I failed to assert myself), even with an Appointment.

That being said, the ATL Stores I have frequented have ~41.273% seating ;)
 
You have to request it.

My local Apple Store will give you a chair if you ask for one.

When I was at the Apple Store picking up my iPad, a very large woman came in who could barely breathe, and I heard her ask for a chair. The employee went into the back of the store and brought out a folding chair; the kind you would sit in at a high school graduation.
 
Maybe Apple could introduce new product category Apple Chair. It would be perfect balance between design and comfort. Perfect to use with Apple computers.
 
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Ya could u imagine if there chairs everywhere. The stores are already busy for whatever reason, and having chairs at all the demo spots would mean ppl being in the way, and staying longer, which u don't want.
 
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