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Photography is a hobby not a profession for me.
Do you have a specific reason you keep using this phrase to answer questions? :) Remember, you’re not unique here as many of us are hobbyists. I wonder if it has to do more with the resolution you shoot, the length of time you've been pursuing your hobby and the frequency you take pictures?
 
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I wont because you have failed to read my OP. Everything is already backed up. I am just wondering how long my current SD cards will last, but no one knows it sure seems.
We do know, somewhere between not long enough and plenty long enough. There are three estimates of lifespan on an SD card. It is the same as cars and home appliances. Depending on individual use, while we don't expect them to break, they do but different components fail at different times. Consider that you and your neighbour both buy identical brand new cars on the same day. Then you go about your daily lives. At some point something will break on the cars but it is highly likely it will be different parts at different times. Same with SD cards.

On Average....

Time based: 10 years lifespan
Electrical usage: 1m - 2m hours
Write cycles: 10,000 per block

Remember an average. If you have 2 cards, one fails on day 1, the other fails in 10 years. Average is 5 years.... reality is you have a 50:50 chance of it going wrong sooner.

The point stands, dont rely on them alone for multi year archival purposes.
 
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Oh yes!!!!
That’s interesting. I know a lot of hobbyists with many terabytes of data. I’m on the lower end myself in the hundreds of gigabytes over 10 years, but I ruthlessly cull my images and mostly shoot landscape. I don’t get out as often as I would like either. I maybe shoot 2000 images per year, way down from what I used to do when I shot more wildlife, and keep less than half of that.
 
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This is so frustrating. I keep wanting to give OP the benefit of the doubt because he seems to have legit questions. But he obviously does not care about the answers. He’s just fishing for arguments. Why do we put up with this?
Completely false statement. I was wanting to know how long my SD cards will last.
 
We do know, somewhere between not long enough and plenty long enough. There are three estimates of lifespan on an SD card. It is the same as cars and home appliances. Depending on individual use, while we don't expect them to break, they do but different components fail at different times. Consider that you and your neighbour both buy identical brand new cars on the same day. Then you go about your daily lives. At some point something will break on the cars but it is highly likely it will be different parts at different times. Same with SD cards.

On Average....

Time based: 10 years lifespan
Electrical usage: 1m - 2m hours
Write cycles: 10,000 per block

Remember an average. If you have 2 cards, one fails on day 1, the other fails in 10 years. Average is 5 years.... reality is you have a 50:50 chance of it going wrong sooner.

The point stands, dont rely on them alone for multi year archival purposes.
Did I read you correctly? 10 years you say? Well thats plenty of time. SD cards are so cheap these days and even the 64GB cards (which were more expensive in 2018) have dropped drastically in price.
 
35GB is about 10 2-hour ish HD movies worth of storage. This makes me want to tell you to go grab your camera and GO SHOOT go take some pictures, go play with your camera explore, make some magic!
I don't just take pictures of anything, but I need things to shoot. But I will get it in February when I visit Alaska again. But before then I cant think of much use for my Canons. Hmm...
 
That’s interesting. I know a lot of hobbyists with many terabytes of data. I’m on the lower end myself in the hundreds of gigabytes over 10 years, but I ruthlessly cull my images and mostly shoot landscape. I don’t get out as often as I would like either. I maybe shoot 2000 images per year, way down from what I used to do when I shot more wildlife, and keep less than half of that.
My mom has 20,000-40,000 photos. I only have 7518 as the rest of the data is movies.
 
This is so frustrating. I keep wanting to give OP the benefit of the doubt because he seems to have legit questions. But he obviously does not care about the answers. He’s just fishing for arguments. Why do we put up with this?

Many of us have decided to take the approach with OP’s threads of answering the questions for the benefit of others who might come in with a shared interest in the question itself. We've heard from others that they've learned from some of our answers and were appreciative.


So cheap these days and besides everything is backed up.

I think then you've gotten multiple really good answers to your statement on why no one recommends SD cards for long-term storage. It's pretty cut-and-dried. You don't seem to rely on them for long-term storage either. Do you think maybe this thread has run its course? Do you have any more questions on this topic?
 
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Many of us have decided to take the approach with OP’s threads of answering the questions for the benefit of others who might come in with a shared interest in the question itself. We've heard from others that they've learned from some of our answers and were appreciative.




I think then you've gotten multiple really good answers to your statement on why no one recommends SD cards for long-term storage. It's pretty cut-and-dried. You don't seem to rely on them for long-term storage either. Do you think maybe this thread has run its course? Do you have any more questions on this topic?
Well they are much better than the old floppy and Zip disks!
 
Time Machine seems to work pretty well, not sure what you mean by that. I have it set to backup to two drives, one USB and one NAS. I also use Backblaze in case there's a house fire (or forest fire ?) that causes me to lose everything, but for normal use (like reinstalling the OS or upgrading computers) I've never had any issues just using Time Machine.

To the topic of failing drives I'll say if you never delete images from your SD card and just buy a new one when it fills up, it's incredibly unlikely you'll ever have an SD card fail. Sure it can happen, but as long as you're buying reputable brands from a reputable vendor (which is not Amazon, there are plenty of counterfeit SanDisk there unfortunately) it's just not likely to fail.
Yes, it does work, but for many past users, the cloud has eliminated their use of Time Machine. There are plusses and minuses for both. And the merits of each are topics of several articles on the web.
 
having only ever used iMacs as my primary/need to back up computer since 2008, I was surprised when I recently read that some people who use MBAs/MBPs are using SD cards as their time machine backup, since it can just live in the computer (leaving out the non-built in sd card years). how bad of an idea is that? because otherwise for time machine you'd need to be hooked up to an external/nas on a very regular basis.

i guess more of my question is this: is the unreliability from sd cards inherent to their build quality, or from being mishandled and getting worn down over the years? i think i've only ever replaced one card over the years from it going bad, and even then i was lucky that it seemed to only be one single photo that was affected; just i just pitched it and moved to a new card.
 
leaving out the non-built in sd card years
I’d be scared of the card getting corrupted due to multiple improper unmounts. MacOS seems to have issues keeping external drives mounted for extended periods. Not really sure what the problem is but it always removes them after a few days.
 
I’d be scared of the card getting corrupted due to multiple improper unmounts. MacOS seems to have issues keeping external drives mounted for extended periods. Not really sure what the problem is but it always removes them after a few days.
Maybe part of the routine weekly maintenance script? Were it me I would remove the card before shutting down or putting the computer to sleep in the evenings.

In elCap I've also noticed that even with all apps closed, I sometimes have to force eject a card to allow a log-out or just to put the card back in the camera. Since I lock my cards before I insert them, there is no danger of causing damage. A different story if you are writing to them, or even hooked up via USB cable. Not sure if this persists with newer systems.
 
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Many of us have decided to take the approach with OP’s threads of answering the questions for the benefit of others who might come in with a shared interest in the question itself. We've heard from others that they've learned from some of our answers and were appreciative.




I think then you've gotten multiple really good answers to your statement on why no one recommends SD cards for long-term storage. It's pretty cut-and-dried. You don't seem to rely on them for long-term storage either. Do you think maybe this thread has run its course? Do you have any more questions on this topic?
Well they are much better than the old floppy and Zip disks!
 
Well they are much better than the old floppy and Zip disks!
Magnetic storage media typically gives warning of impending death and also can usually be recovered enough to get the data off.

I have some now fairly rare Macintosh 400k disk from 1984 that are still perfectly readable, although I use copies of them and also imaged them as soon as I got them.

I similarly have a very high degree of confidence in picking up a 20 year old ZIP and having no trouble reading it
 
Magnetic storage media typically gives warning of impending death and also can usually be recovered enough to get the data off.

I have some now fairly rare Macintosh 400k disk from 1984 that are still perfectly readable, although I use copies of them and also imaged them as soon as I got them.

I similarly have a very high degree of confidence in picking up a 20 year old ZIP and having no trouble reading it
With floppies and Zip disks I think the bigger issue was the drive itself failing. The media is usually fine.
 
rharris1 had asked:
Do you consider 35GB a lot of data for photographs? and the response was "yes!"


That seems extraordinarily small for a photographer.
Yep. Way too small. Aside from that, IMHO not everyone who posts on the internet could actually be considered "a photographer," or even "a hobbyist." Some people just snap off photos a few times a year at family gatherings, on holidays and when vacationing in new areas. The rest of the time the gear lives in a drawer or cabinet. Or in a pocket.... Even those who quickly snap off cell phone photos of their breakfast, their lunch or their dinner to share on Instagram may be more interested in the social aspects of that action than in the fact that they're taking a photograph.

From Adorama, a vendor of photographic gear:


Five Desirable Qualities Every Good Photographer Should Have:
  • Creativity and Imagination. Photography, for all intents and purposes, is a form of art. ...
  • An Eye for Detail. ...
  • Patience and Flexibility. ...
  • Good People Skills. ...
  • Passion...
I think most people who are really into photography, who are truly serious about it and who engage in it on a fairly regular basis (I prefer the term "enthusiast" to "hobbyist" or "amateur") have most of the qualities listed above, but in particular the one thing shared in common would be passion.
 
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