And the more likely the install was to crap out on disk 13 of 25.
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Why are so many people using out of date Macbooks?
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My Late 2011 15" MBP keeps grinding on and it's 100% stock. Last clean install was at the factory! Be very interesting to see if my M1 MBP has the same longevity. Has to be said the 2011 MBP has worked for it's coin, had a rough ride and then some.
It's up 24/7 and serves purpose, only time it's shutdown is when we move house...
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It's up 24/7 and serves purpose, only time it's shutdown is when we move house...
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Reality is, for most people’s needs - surfing the web, doing emails, perhaps some word processing - a 10 year old Mac is just fine. Macs/Computers could do these things already 10 years ago, heck even 15/20 years ago. Macs these days are completely overpowered for basic everyday tasks, and sure we find fancy new things to keep them busy with but are the things average people do on their computers really much different from what they did 10y ago? And for the average joe it doesn’t matter so much if things take 1-2 s longer to load.
I booted up my old PowerBook G4 recently (bought it ca. 2003), used it for school and university back then. Just for fun I launched some apps like Photoshop and some super old version of Word and esp. Word was super snappy, better than any ”modern” version I used in recent years. Sometimes I really wonder what is happening with all this extra power.
Also, I guess for a lot of people with modern phones but older Macs, the phone has simply become the center of their digital life and the Mac has become the secondary device for tasks where they prefer a bigger screen. But a computer is simply not as relevant anymore for a lot of everyday tasks.
I booted up my old PowerBook G4 recently (bought it ca. 2003), used it for school and university back then. Just for fun I launched some apps like Photoshop and some super old version of Word and esp. Word was super snappy, better than any ”modern” version I used in recent years. Sometimes I really wonder what is happening with all this extra power.
Also, I guess for a lot of people with modern phones but older Macs, the phone has simply become the center of their digital life and the Mac has become the secondary device for tasks where they prefer a bigger screen. But a computer is simply not as relevant anymore for a lot of everyday tasks.
Because people often use their phone many hours every day, and the batteries often wear out after a a couple years, so upgrading every couple years is just expected. But the laptop battery likely is still fine, and while Apple no longer supports 2012 with the latest OS, they only recently stopped security updates for Catalina - which runs on most 2012 Macs. And then there are third party tools to allow older Macs to use newer OSes. I have Sonoma running on my 2009 MacBook Air, and it's quite usable. (That said, my "daily driver" is a 2019 MBP Intel Core i9 with 32 GB RAM.)
Real simple once the consumer society was realised companies just went full throttle to abuse. While I very much dont care for regulation it's now very much required
Car's heated seats as a subscription service, what a joke. Smart move way to loose a customer. Done & dusted will never consider that brand again. I expect to pay for what I get, physical feature locked behind a SW paywall...🤬
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You can finance your iPhone through Apple/Goldman Sachs for 2 years. But financing a Mac through the same sources is just for one year. Probably affects the ability to upgrade/finance for some.
Got a friend stuck on Windows Vista. He is poor. Sometimes life situations change and you have to make do with what you've got.
Other times, like me, you get a work laptop and it's old. You just keep using it until:
Other times, like me, you get a work laptop and it's old. You just keep using it until:
- it breaks and no computer shop/company will repair it
- IT can't put current software on it anymore.
When everyone says that these old machines work well doing light tasks, why is my MBA 2019 slow and loud and hot while editing word?
I don't understand the point you are making here. Everyone uses their computers differently, different combinations of hardware and software over time cause wear on components. Every shift and drop knocks things around. Have you ever taken it apart and cleaned the interior? If you don't clean the fans, they clog up and cause thermal problems. Have you reinstalled the OS as a new device in case your user data or other applications installed are the problem? There are WAY too many variables to possibly answer such a subjective question.
That’s where Apple was ahead, most people could just do just fine with a 10yr old computer and would not know the difference
Hence the mandatory updates with more bloat ware, more battery drain, and less replaceable sacrificial parts (ie batteries)
Hence the mandatory updates with more bloat ware, more battery drain, and less replaceable sacrificial parts (ie batteries)
There are forums dedicated to Sonoma and threads for coaxing it onto unsupported hardware
macOS 14 Sonoma on Unsupported Macs Thread
This thread will be dedicated to the discussion of running macOS 14.0 on unsupported Macs. At the time of writing, we are waiting for Apple to send out macOS 14 Developer Beta 1. It is currently unknown whether or not Apple will release a publicly-downloadable InstallAssistant. We will be...
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Ditto for previous iterations of macOS.
Should be a non issue. My 2011 15" MBP runs Word & complex Excel spreadsheets without breaking a sweat. Your Mac may have some issues, that have crept in over the years.
Try Onyx, it's free & highly reputable. Read the instructions, run maintenance with options to suit your need and you just might be surprised at the results. If it still runs hot, time to break out the tools and clean the fan & heatsink.
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Lots of reasons:
1. Clogged vents? Could there be dust in the vents that need to be removed?
2. Utilities running in the background? What's starting up when you start the computer?
3. Macros running with Word?
4. Complex large Word document?
I have no idea. It's your responsibility to give details on this problem.
The very definition of entitled. I am also astonished that someone thinks they could judge, or be in a position to judge, what others can afford, merely by the way they look or by products they have.
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I also think there’s a nostalgia and attachment to a product you’ve used for so long as well as an appreciation for the quality. I still have a 2012 MacBook Pro 13” that I’ve clamshelled as a “desktop.” Mainly used for file storage at this point. I also have a 2019 16”.
The best tools are those that have already paid for themselves
There’s a particular shared word document that we edit and update a few times a year at work that I dread, because between the sheer page count, the plethora of diagrams, and other embedded things it can take 5-10 mins to fully open even on my M1P MBP, it took so long on my old 2016 MBP before this machine that I would go make coffee while it was opening
Personally, I got stuck with my 2013 Retina MBP because when I wanted to upgrade, Apple had introduced the Touch Bar and the butterfly keyboard, both of which I absolutely hated. Then with M2 there were so many issues with the keyboard and trackpad feel. I have finally upgraded to an M3 MBP after 10 years, and I still prefer the keyboard on my late 2013. And don’t get me started on the notch.
Apple took too many steps backwards and lost too much trust. It’s typical Apple arrogance - give users what we think they will want rather than what they actually beg us for - and as so many arrogant people and companies do, they have paid a big price for it in terms of lost market share.
Apple took too many steps backwards and lost too much trust. It’s typical Apple arrogance - give users what we think they will want rather than what they actually beg us for - and as so many arrogant people and companies do, they have paid a big price for it in terms of lost market share.
They have more market share than ever, and they're the most valuable company on earth. I don't agree with all of their decisions, but this statement is completely false.
I have touched a new MacBook keyboard and its quality seems worse compared to my robust 2005 white plastic MacBook, which still works
It may still have been growing, but imagine the market share they would have had if they hadn't gone down the Touch Bar and butterfly keyboard route. They lost market share relative to what it could have been. Their market share only just started to grow significantly again in the last few years since they fixed those issues. As it is, even Chromebooks have a bigger market share than Apple now.
I don’t deal with hypotheticals. You made a false claim. As PC market share has gone down, Apple’s continues to go up. You’re also making up theories based on your personal experiences. I love the new keyboard. I enjoyed the Touch Bar when I had it as well.
Most people really dont need the power of AS. The 2012's were probably one of the best MacBooks ever made. It was designed where it was easy to open and replace the battery, RAM, SSD and other components that eventually fail. The 2012's also had a wonderful keyboard and all the ports you could ever want. The MacBooks sold today are glued and soldered to the point if one thing fails, it instantly becomes an expensive doorstop. Modern Macs are much faster but if you don't need the extra speed, are they actually better machines?
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