Exactly, like you, several Surface devices, Tab S7+, Galaxy S10e and the iPads below... I am in Microsoft and Samsung communities too, people who live just in one ecosystem only see one side of the story... Fanboys and biased people in each community.... Anti-Microsoft, anti-Apple, anti-Android, you name it... And you'll find the anti-Microsoft in Microsoft communities, the anti-apple here etc. it's everywhere... And personally in each community I try to bring some neutral point on view... (not that the biased people care...)
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It can take on a religious fervor at times. I also participate in photography forums where there can be similar reactions amongst Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. advocates. But the Apple-Android-Microsoft arena draws out the strongest reactions.
I think it's everywhere... I participate to financial discussions on the Internet (since I work in the financial field and teach finance) and there too you have religious views and people become very aggressive... For example recently with cryptocurrencies, those people are hyper-aggressive... Or on economics, and it eventually most economic discussions turn into politics with right and left.... And of course everyone talk like they are an expert when very few really are... It's mess online.... (at least here there are moderators...)
I think the wording is biased against Apple, but there is some truth here.
"Poor quality control" - I think the poor quality control happens during the design phase. I suspect execution is to spec.
"hiding known problems" - I think they stay silent on known problems. They're also very sluggish on changing course when they have clearly created a problem for the consumer.
All the other stuff seems like other companies. Trying to save the world is probably a good thing and I don't hold it against them; other companies are starting to follow in this. I don't mind their soap box talk about saving the world, but their soap box talk about their products puts a target on their backs.
On-line you have the anonymity you don't have in face-to-face discourse, making it easy to be aggressive, divisive and insulting.
You are incorrect. I am not driven by emotion and I am not a negative person. In fact, I am a very positive person. I am merely expressing the kind of things I have seen on this forum over the years directly related to Apple purchases.
I have seen numerous forum members call the new iMacs childish toys, looks cheap, amongst a plethora of other insulting phrases. Many members are projecting self bias and logical fallacy onto products they haven't even tried all because it is different than what they have been used to. Many have even go so far as to make others who bought to new iMacs feel bad because again, it looks childish, isn't "pro" whatever that is subjectively supposed to mean.
Like it or not, a lot of people's egos are wrapped up in Apple product identity. I get that my opinion is not popular and in the minority and that is fine with me.
Simple, people trying to get their 2 seconds of fame and hope they become famous on twitter, reddit and YouTube. 😂
Apple has some of the most loyal and defensive customers on the planet. Just look at your optional answers given in the survey, highly suggestive and jugdemental of people with another opinion than yours😜
Apple does not get any more **** than any other billion dollar consumers Company. Just because Apple makes the best tablet on the planet, doesn’t mean that it is perfect. Apple has always been a “our way or the highway” company which also never will admit if they make a mistake or a wrong choice. Everything was planned and went accordingly - the consumer is just Holding/bending it wrong or doesn’t realise that the DON’T really want pro apps for a pro products. At the same time Apple is master of creating hype around their amazing products and just how perfect their products are. And great expectations often leads to….
Plus I honestly thinks Apple has been releasing more and more beta products, where major kinks only get ironed out later or after a lot of people has bought Them. Personally I don’t Think the new IPP should ever have been released before the iOS 15 was ready. I supects most issues regarding crazy “blooming“ of the new deisplay, the limiting af ram to 5gb and poor performance of the usb-c is directly connected to iOS14 which was never made to deal with these things.
Most people only complain about things they care about.
Apple does not get any more **** than any other billion dollar consumers Company. Just because Apple makes the best tablet on the planet, doesn’t mean that it is perfect. Apple has always been a “our way or the highway” company which also never will admit if they make a mistake or a wrong choice. Everything was planned and went accordingly - the consumer is just Holding/bending it wrong or doesn’t realise that the DON’T really want pro apps for a pro products. At the same time Apple is master of creating hype around their amazing products and just how perfect their products are. And great expectations often leads to….
Plus I honestly thinks Apple has been releasing more and more beta products, where major kinks only get ironed out later or after a lot of people has bought Them. Personally I don’t Think the new IPP should ever have been released before the iOS 15 was ready. I supects most issues regarding crazy “blooming“ of the new deisplay, the limiting af ram to 5gb and poor performance of the usb-c is directly connected to iOS14 which was never made to deal with these things.
Most people only complain about things they care about.
Apple, over time, has developed a reputation for quality and overall experience. One of the things that sets Apple apart from the competition is that it's never in a rush to introduce new features. A company like Samsung introduces a lot of new gimmick technologies every year, without ensuring that they are useful to the consumer or that it delivers the best experience. I'm not saying that every new feature from Samsung is useless and poorly developed, but they don't take as much time as Apple to think about how to implement it. AirTags are a clear example of a product that Apple could have released a year or two ago, but have waited to fine-tune the product's functionality, UI and safety.
It is therefore more surprising when there are significant problems with an Apple product, as they have this reputation for quality and perfection in all aspect of their products. I have the new iPad Pro, and frankly the blooming is not as visible and problematic to me as some people claim. That said, I understand that some are surprised that Apple has allowed to integrate a screen with such a visible limitation. It gives the impression that the finished product was not ready, although honestly the technical limitations of the mini-LED have been known for years and not unique to Apple. I’m not defending the mini-LED though, i think that there is room for discussion regarding the relevance of mini-LED vs, say, OLED. But people associate a much higher standard of quality with Apple and because of that, it makes Apple -gates more frequent.
Finally, I will conclude by mentioning the phenomenon of echo chambers. MacRumors is a forum for Apple users who follow Apple products and rumors very closely. Just because there seems to be a -gate on a few forums on MacRumors doesn't necessarily mean it's a widespread problem. For most of the people who bought the new iPad Pro, I doubt they'll even notice this limitation.
It is therefore more surprising when there are significant problems with an Apple product, as they have this reputation for quality and perfection in all aspect of their products. I have the new iPad Pro, and frankly the blooming is not as visible and problematic to me as some people claim. That said, I understand that some are surprised that Apple has allowed to integrate a screen with such a visible limitation. It gives the impression that the finished product was not ready, although honestly the technical limitations of the mini-LED have been known for years and not unique to Apple. I’m not defending the mini-LED though, i think that there is room for discussion regarding the relevance of mini-LED vs, say, OLED. But people associate a much higher standard of quality with Apple and because of that, it makes Apple -gates more frequent.
Finally, I will conclude by mentioning the phenomenon of echo chambers. MacRumors is a forum for Apple users who follow Apple products and rumors very closely. Just because there seems to be a -gate on a few forums on MacRumors doesn't necessarily mean it's a widespread problem. For most of the people who bought the new iPad Pro, I doubt they'll even notice this limitation.
Goes both ways. Remember when the Galaxy Note came out and peeps here kept posting the infamous thumb graphic and why 3.5'' is the perfect size?
For Apple their devices are expensive and it's a walled-garden. That automatically creates a barrier of high expectations, rightfully so. So many people will voice their concerns just because of the higher visibility.
For Apple their devices are expensive and it's a walled-garden. That automatically creates a barrier of high expectations, rightfully so. So many people will voice their concerns just because of the higher visibility.
Apple and Nintendo are very similar to me. They tend to release high quality products and exploit gimmicks. The risk is that said gimick has to be perfect. The Wii, Switch, iPod, and iPad are great examples of the highs. The HomePod, Wii U, and 5C are examples of what happens when everything rides one thing.
Samsung's approach does work (Galaxy Note), but there's a LOT of failures and are pretty much now only products.
The more I comeback to this forum the more my interest and desires grow and when interest and desires grow we tend to get vulnerable so that would mean to take Apple very seriously and take every detail in question.
Then here comes every awesome release and we read so much into details and specs that we tend to approve and disapprove with all of our intentions that we take it out on the internet.
BUT ITS FUN. WE KEEP GOING
APPLE FTW
Then here comes every awesome release and we read so much into details and specs that we tend to approve and disapprove with all of our intentions that we take it out on the internet.
BUT ITS FUN. WE KEEP GOING
APPLE FTW
My take is this - they often arrive late to the party with improvements and upgrades to their products, yet make it appear in their self patting as if they just released revolutionary tech, so we will charge you an arm and a leg. They often tend to be very slow or even deaf to customer complaints or feature requests, yet, again, when they "suddenly" bring minor improvements or things that have been on the market for years, they play it out as its something unique in the world.
And they are greedy, like, super greedy and doing sh**loads of virtue signaling, often even more than others.
Other than that, they are just like any other big ass company who are here for a huge profit margins and nothing else, they care about profits, not me, not you, just buy from them, given them your money. Just like Samsung, Google and other tech giants.
And they are greedy, like, super greedy and doing sh**loads of virtue signaling, often even more than others.
Other than that, they are just like any other big ass company who are here for a huge profit margins and nothing else, they care about profits, not me, not you, just buy from them, given them your money. Just like Samsung, Google and other tech giants.
Well, it depends. To start with, most of my electronic gadgets are Apple-made. I cannot comment on iPad Pro, as I have never owned one. However, I can give you a relevant recent example:
The screen of my 6 years old iPad Air 2 is better (higher contrast, deeper blacks and no backlight bleeding) than that of my 1 month old iPad Air 4 (a small backlight bleeding and more washed out in comparison).
Both products are in the same category (iPad Air). I can live with it (and I do 😉), but why should I accept Apple cutting corners on its most recent products? I do not want another iPad, as Air 4 ticks all of my boxes, but I would still expect a better quality product, at least on pair with the one from two generations ago.
Is this an unreasonable expectation? 🤷🏻♂️
So right now I am holding on to my Air 4 (no returns and no swaps) and patiently waiting on Apple to improve on Air 4 screen quality and will change mine under warranty as soon as I hear that the issue has been fixed.
The screen of my 6 years old iPad Air 2 is better (higher contrast, deeper blacks and no backlight bleeding) than that of my 1 month old iPad Air 4 (a small backlight bleeding and more washed out in comparison).
Both products are in the same category (iPad Air). I can live with it (and I do 😉), but why should I accept Apple cutting corners on its most recent products? I do not want another iPad, as Air 4 ticks all of my boxes, but I would still expect a better quality product, at least on pair with the one from two generations ago.
Is this an unreasonable expectation? 🤷🏻♂️
So right now I am holding on to my Air 4 (no returns and no swaps) and patiently waiting on Apple to improve on Air 4 screen quality and will change mine under warranty as soon as I hear that the issue has been fixed.
I do recommend a moment of introspection if you reread what you've written, my friend.
They're not after you, and those opinions are perfectly valid. Some people can think it looks really cheap because it's completely unbranded on the front (looks like a knock-off), for example. Or it may look toy-like or childish to some because of the color scheme that is often used among those product categories. People are allowed to feel certain ways towards designs -- simple as that. I can absolutely see how those designs can be viewed that way and it's a very popular opinion on the new design. I mostly like the design, but there's no doubt they'd look perfectly at home at a kid's desk and rather out of place in a corporate office. Doesn't mean it's a bad machine or that you can't do it.
There's no "logical fallacy" involved... it's literally just subjective opinions (though there's some objective merit to those particular ones). We can all have different views, and heck, I have different views than myself depending on when you ask
If anyone's "ego" is "wrapped up in Apple product identity", it's probably those who list their slew of Apple products in their signature and get insulted by differing opinions on Apple products. Can you say you honestly give every product offering a fair chance, anyways?
Me, I'm quite critical of all the things I own. The ride quality in my car sucks and they made it too low I do think that people like Steve Jobs are successful because they're able to quickly decide that something needs to be improved or outright stinks. No doubt it drove some people nuts, but high standards leads to good product. Now with Tim at the helm, well...
Why can't people say the new iMac "looks cheap" or toy-like? How is that "insulting" to you to the point where it bothers you that a stranger on the internet doesn't like the design of a product from one of the richest companies in the world?
They're not after you, and those opinions are perfectly valid. Some people can think it looks really cheap because it's completely unbranded on the front (looks like a knock-off), for example. Or it may look toy-like or childish to some because of the color scheme that is often used among those product categories. People are allowed to feel certain ways towards designs -- simple as that. I can absolutely see how those designs can be viewed that way and it's a very popular opinion on the new design. I mostly like the design, but there's no doubt they'd look perfectly at home at a kid's desk and rather out of place in a corporate office. Doesn't mean it's a bad machine or that you can't do it.
There's no "logical fallacy" involved... it's literally just subjective opinions (though there's some objective merit to those particular ones). We can all have different views, and heck, I have different views than myself depending on when you ask
If anyone's "ego" is "wrapped up in Apple product identity", it's probably those who list their slew of Apple products in their signature and get insulted by differing opinions on Apple products. Can you say you honestly give every product offering a fair chance, anyways?
Me, I'm quite critical of all the things I own. The ride quality in my car sucks and they made it too low
I do think that people like Steve Jobs are successful because they're able to quickly decide that something needs to be improved or outright stinks. No doubt it drove some people nuts, but high standards leads to good product. Now with Tim at the helm, well...
If "silver" looks out of place in corporate offices, what exactly have those corporate offices been doing for the last... decade and a half, where silver was the only colour choice?
I think when most people are commenting about it looking "childlike", they're referring to all the other colors in the lineup, generally. The silver certainly looks the least so, but with the white bezels, it could still be how they feel.
You say that as if there's any other reason to use the internet.
Doesn't change that many people think that either all but one or all of them including silver look 'toy-like' or 'childish'. What's more -- they're even allowed to have that opinion.
You left out 'feminine'.
They are allowed to have an opinion. After all, opinions are like *******s, everyone has one.
By the same token, other people are allowed to hold the opinion that repeatedly claiming a computer looks "feminine" or "child like" because it doesn't come in fetishised 'space gray' (yeah no one's missing the subtext here) are just whining.
That's how opinions work.
The difference is, there's one thread here about the constant negative comments.
How many threads are there full of posts repeating the same whining over and over again? Hint: a lot.
You can always just not respond to the opinions you don't value. Voila. Some people find the new iMac feminine? Okay. Probably won't convince them otherwise, so if you disagree, okay? This is the kind of place (along with comment sections on reviews) where people make all these opinions.
Seems like for every "negative comment" there's a negative reply. Let's end the cycle