Why are you still using Apple hardware?

[koyoot]

I just today found that with the expansion of Apple Stores and sales, the used market has become fuller, which means you won't necessarily get a good return on a used Apple product. In my case a 2011 iMac is now 7 years old and starting to feel its age. If I don't pass it on soon its value will keep decreasing whereas, in my case if I sell it now for a cheaper price (to beat the tons of other offers in the marketplace), for virtually the same money I can buy new PC components to gain a 7th gen CPU (currently on 2nd Gen Sandy Bridge), USB 3 ports and most importantly an nVidia GTX 1060 with 6 GB and a 43" 4K TV monitor! My worries about how I will be able to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider in September will dissolve into the ether!

Long story short, a 7-year-old computer in direct exchange for 43" 4K. There is always the option of creating a Hackintosh too so no need to kiss our beloved macOS goodbye...

Exactly my point...

 

[deep diver]

I use Apple hardware because it comes with Mac OS. You are right that there is a lot of very good hardware. I think Mac OS is far superior to Windows.

 

[OS6-OSX]

Why am I still using Apple hardware? Because of my plug-in collection for Shake!

 

[Michael Goff]

Aaaaaand... currently the experience is much better on ... Windows.

When I do demanding work, because of my hardware, I have tons of processing power left to do anything I want meanwhile the job, that I was doing is processed.

I am regularly switching between Macs and Windows(everyday). And, because of the hardware I can use with Windows, the experience is much better.


The only word that is popping to my mind when I use Macs: Limited.

Why are they so limited?

I can’t really say the Windows 10 experience has been better lately for me, my family’s tech support. I mean, I really love hearing complaints from my sister, who was using a laptop with a Skylake processor mind you, about how Windows update would literally slow everything down. Greatest experience ever.

Edit: What’s the point of asking everybody why they do something and telling them their reason is wrong?

 

[Martyimac]

The folks who complain about W10 updates slowing down their computers are conveniently missing the posts right here on MR about MacOS updates slowing down their computers.
It happens on both sides of the fence folks.

 

[bopajuice]

That has been the case since apple was on the PPC platform. Its not about which machine is the fastest, but rather the experience, including the advantages of being in the apple ecosystem.

I'm beginning to find the "eco-system" thing is no longer exclusive to Apple or as necessary to me. I recently found Dell offers an app to handoff data from an android phone to a PC. If you use Google for mail, etc., your calendars and address book are synced across devices and platforms.

I like Apple FaceTime and Airplay, but as far as handoff is concerned I have used it to open a browser on another device maybe twice.

With Photos you used to be able to share libraries directly from one device across all devices. Now you need to use iCloud to get that done. With terabytes of photos it's not happening for me.

It is only a matter of time before data can be shared across multiple platforms and/or software is developed to use non Apple sharing platforms with each other.

 

[maflynn]

I'm beginning to find the "eco-system" thing is no longer exclusive to Apple or as necessary to me. I recently found Dell offers an app to handoff data from an android phone to a PC. If you use Google for mail, etc., your calendars and address book are synced across devices and platforms.

Agreed, if you use other services then apple, then you'll not be locked into (or drawn into) the apple ecosystem. I'm pretty content with what apple has to offer and how I use my desktop/laptop

 

[koyoot]

I can’t really say the Windows 10 experience has been better lately for me, my family’s tech support. I mean, I really love hearing complaints from my sister, who was using a laptop with a Skylake processor mind you, about how Windows update would literally slow everything down. Greatest experience ever.

Edit: What’s the point of asking everybody why they do something and telling them their reason is wrong?

Strange. I use Core2Duo computer with SSD and 4 GB of RAM 800 MHz, Ivy Bridge based one with an SSD and 8 GB of RAM(1600 MHz), and a Coffee Lake one(Core i3 8300T) with 8 GB of RAM(2400 MHz). And NONE of those computers are getting slowed down by any Windows updates and I have just experienced massive April Windows 10 update. Are you sure it was caused by Windows updates? Usually - the fault for any problem is... the user.

In my job I use Ryzen 7 1700, 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM. I cannot complain about performance.

I have created this thread, because when you will look at things as they are - the ecosystem of Apple products is no longer a problem for not using any hardware that is non-Apple.

The only Apple hardware I use is iPad and iPhone at this moment. But computers? Nah. There are better solutions. What is the incentive to use Apple hardware? OS? Windows 10 is as good as MacOS. Hardware? I can build way better computers than Sir Design Guru can make: not throttling, dead silent, high quality, for less than Apple will tax me.

iDevices? They perfectly work with Windows. Software? Adobe suite is cross platform, and there are no differences but details. What is the incentive to use Apple hardware, where there is actually - none.

And don't tell me that OS. Because you cannot say that Windows is worse, because it is not true. I am saying this after almost a year constant everyday use of this OS.

 

[Michael Goff]

Strange. I use Core2Duo computer with SSD and 4 GB of RAM 800 MHz, Ivy Bridge based one with an SSD and 8 GB of RAM(1600 MHz), and a Coffee Lake one(Core i3 8300T) with 8 GB of RAM(2400 MHz). And NONE of those computers are getting slowed down by any Windows updates and I have just experienced massive April Windows 10 update. Are you sure it was caused by Windows updates? Usually - the fault for any problem is... the user.

In my job I use Ryzen 7 1700, 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM. I cannot complain about performance.

I have created this thread, because when you will look at things as they are - the ecosystem of Apple products is no longer a problem for not using any hardware that is non-Apple.

The only Apple hardware I use is iPad and iPhone at this moment. But computers? Nah. There are better solutions. What is the incentive to use Apple hardware? OS? Windows 10 is as good as MacOS. Hardware? I can build way better computers than Sir Design Guru can make: not throttling, dead silent, high quality, for less than Apple will tax me.

iDevices? They perfectly work with Windows. Software? Adobe suite is cross platform, and there are no differences but details. What is the incentive to use Apple hardware, where there is actually - none.

And don't tell me that OS. Because you cannot say that Windows is worse, because it is not true. I am saying this after almost a year constant everyday use of this OS.

Except I can say the OS is worse because it is.

Also, the computer only slowed down on Patch Tuesday. But, sure, it was everyone else’s fault.

 

[koyoot]

Except I can say the OS is worse because it is.

Also, the computer only slowed down on Patch Tuesday. But, sure, it was everyone else’s fault.

Then why my computers haven't slowed down?

Are you sure that computer was not the only one which slowed down?

 

[Michael Goff]

Then why my computers haven't slowed down?

Are you sure that computer was not the only one which slowed down?

She hasn’t had those issues on her MacBook Pro. And I don’t think my Brother in Law’s computer slowed down, but his is a quad core with a discrete graphics card as opposed to the dual core ultrabook CPU.

Edit: Apparrntly I’m mistaken, he just doesn’t complain to me about it. Apparently it does slow it down as well.

 

[koyoot]

What issues? What is the slow down?

 

[Michael Goff]

What issues? What is the slow down?

No issues with updates ****ing up the machine. No times when update day rolls around and Firefox starts to become unresponsive because all of the resources are being used by the system. No period of about a week where a quad core system is sluggish out of nowhere. All of this started with Windows 10. Even Windows 8 was more stable than 10.

 

[Cole Slaw]

I'm still using Apple hardware because it's still working fine.
I have a 2015 MacBook Pro which works fine, and a 2012 Mac Mini which is starting to get a little long on the tooth but is fine for me, for now.
Not sure what I'll do when replacement time comes, though, as Apple doesn't really have anything available right now that I'd buy.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

Money isn't a concern for me. I'd rather pay extra and get the customer service, usability and virus free MacOS that plays nice with all my iOS devices.

 

[emembee]

The only Apple hardware I use is iPad and iPhone at this moment. But computers? Nah. There are better solutions. What is the incentive to use Apple hardware?.

There may be specific Mac OS only software that you want or need to run and Windows offers no Mac emulator.

 

[Martyimac]

Then why my computers haven't slowed down?

Are you sure that computer was not the only one which slowed down?

I'm with you, even a 8 year old Dell we have didn't suffer any slowdowns after the big April update.

 

[koyoot]

No issues with updates ****ing up the machine. No times when update day rolls around and Firefox starts to become unresponsive because all of the resources are being used by the system. No period of about a week where a quad core system is sluggish out of nowhere. All of this started with Windows 10. Even Windows 8 was more stable than 10.

Ehhh, so its not the Firefox's fault, but OS's?

What?!

What do you mean by sluggish? Does they use HDD, still?

 

[Michael Goff]

Ehhh, so its not the Firefox's fault, but OS's?

What?!

What do you mean by sluggish? Does they use HDD, still?

A) That was just one example. And if it runs like a marathoner 99% of the time then maybe take a look at what’s different for the 1%.

B) One yes and the other no. But the fact that this only happens during and for the week after Windows Update runs and no other times kind of is an indicator that maybe that’s an issue.

C) Sluggish as in seeing windows draw. And programs opening and reacting slower than normal.

D) 1803 is literally the worst update ever out out and is likely BSoD-ing people as we speak.

 

[1madman1]

I've been predominantly using Apple hardware since ~2003 and these days it's only because of Mac OS. I cant think of a single compelling reason to buy their current products apart from the OS - in my opinion their last "good" hardware lineup was in 2012. Comparing MacOS with Windows I find the interface more intuitive and consistent, the platform more reliable and predictable. I have a Supermicro workstation running Windows 10 which is considerably more powerful than my Mac Pro 4,1 but I can barely stand using it. The fact that every time I turn it on it seems like there is yet another forced reboot for Windows update doesn't help the matter.

If the upcoming "modular" Mac Pro doesn't have internal PCI-E slots and upgradable internal storage then my next Mac will probably be a Hackintosh. I will likely have to do the same for my next portable.

Also have an iPhone 7 but I don't particularly care for iOS - only use it because it syncs well with the Mac. I was a perfectly content Symbian user for years before Elop's suicidal "burning platform" speech encouraged me to switch with an iPhone 5. Tried 3 different iPads over the years but could never find an actual practical use for them. With no proper file management or external storage support they just seem like toys.

 

[Martyimac]

A) That was just one example. And if it runs like a marathoner 99% of the time then maybe take a look at what’s different for the 1%.

B) One yes and the other no. But the fact that this only happens during and for the week after Windows Update runs and no other times kind of is an indicator that maybe that’s an issue.

C) Sluggish as in seeing windows draw. And programs opening and reacting slower than normal.

D) 1803 is literally the worst update ever out out and is likely BSoD-ing people as we speak.

Hmmm, a 6 month old computer, a 2 year old computer, and a 8 year old computer updated. All 3 working exactly like they worked before. Methinks you have a problem of some sort with your computer.
No BSoD's, windows draw not obviously different than before. I will admit the heaviest usage is MS office, and some serious Firefox usage by my wife on numerous gaming sites that are notorious for not playing nice at times. No difference before or after.

 

[Michael Goff]

Hmmm, a 6 month old computer, a 2 year old computer, and a 8 year old computer updated. All 3 working exactly like they worked before. Methinks you have a problem of some sort with your computer.
No BSoD's, windows draw not obviously different than before. I will admit the heaviest usage is MS office, and some serious Firefox usage by my wife on numerous gaming sites that are notorious for not playing nice at times. No difference before or after.

You’re right, fam. Two separate computers used by two separate people have similar problems around Windows Update time and it’s all them. You have no problems so they don’t exist. My bad, fam, my whole opinion is changed.

 

[Tech198]

I've been predominantly using Apple hardware since ~2003 and these days it's only because of Mac OS. I cant think of a single compelling reason to buy their current products apart from the OS - in my opinion their last "good" hardware lineup was in 2012. Comparing MacOS with Windows I find the interface more intuitive and consistent, the platform more reliable and predictable. I have a Supermicro workstation running Windows 10 which is considerably more powerful than my Mac Pro 4,1 but I can barely stand using it. The fact that every time I turn it on it seems like there is yet another forced reboot for Windows update doesn't help the matter.

If the upcoming "modular" Mac Pro doesn't have internal PCI-E slots and upgradable internal storage then my next Mac will probably be a Hackintosh. I will likely have to do the same for my next portable.

Also have an iPhone 7 but I don't particularly care for iOS - only use it because it syncs well with the Mac. I was a perfectly content Symbian user for years before Elop's suicidal "burning platform" speech encouraged me to switch with an iPhone 5. Tried 3 different iPads over the years but could never find an actual practical use for them. With no proper file management or external storage support they just seem like toys.

And yet, there was a reason why we all came to Apple in the first place. Not shooting people in the foot, but its not exactly like in the original days Apple was more open on iOS.... They've always had no proper filesystem on iPad/iPhone..

Just wondering what basis people have by only mentioning this "now" ? when its always been an issue...

My point is, if it was an issue, then why come to Apple in the first place.... I can understand if they "changed" something, but they haven't changed a thing with opening up file systems


Therefor, to me, that is never a good argument, just one that sounds good.

 

[Michael Goff]

And yet, there was a reason why we all came to Apple in the first place. Not shooting people in the foot, but its not exactly like in the original days Apple was more open on iOS.... They've always had no proper filesystem on iPad/iPhone..

Just wondering what basis people have by only mentioning this "now" ? when its always been an issue...

My point is, if it was an issue, then why come to Apple in the first place.... I can understand if they "changed" something, but they haven't changed a thing with opening up file systems


Therefor, to me, that is never a good argument, just one that sounds good.

Nothing really changed, it just became more accepted that Apple is wrong even when they’re not.

 

[Martyimac]

You’re right, fam. Two separate computers used by two separate people have similar problems around Windows Update time and it’s all them. You have no problems so they don’t exist. My bad, fam, my whole opinion is changed.

A little sensitive are we? You implied that all computers were having issues with W10. I posted just to say that there are folks out there that don't have the issues you seem to be having.
If I misinterpreted your meaning, then my apologies.