Why are you still using Apple hardware?

[Michael Goff]

A little sensitive are we? You implied that all computers were having issues with W10. I posted just to say that there are folks out there that don't have the issues you seem to be having.
If I misinterpreted your meaning, then my apologies.

Nah, I never meant to imply that all Windows installations are bad. Here’s what started this:

A) I was providing a counter example to the narrative that Windows 10 is objectively better than macOS.
B) Other dude was acting like it had to be literally every computer around me and couldn’t possibly be Windows 10 acting wonky.
C) 1803 does seem to be causing a lot of problems if Windows podcasts are to be believed. And yes, I listen to Windows podcasts even though I use an iPad and an iPhone.

The guy I was responding to is just pushing thit narrative that there’s no reason to buy Macs. He asked, but quickly reverted back to the seemingly real reason of playing antagonist.

 

[koyoot]

Nah, I never meant to imply that all Windows installations are bad. Here’s what started this:

A) I was providing a counter example to the narrative that Windows 10 is objectively better than macOS.
B) Other dude was acting like it had to be literally every computer around me and couldn’t possibly be Windows 10 acting wonky.
C) 1803 does seem to be causing a lot of problems if Windows podcasts are to be believed. And yes, I listen to Windows podcasts even though I use an iPad and an iPhone.

The guy I was responding to is just pushing thit narrative that there’s no reason to buy Macs. He asked, but quickly reverted back to the seemingly real reason of playing antagonist.

Again, all you provided was anecdotal evidence, compared to empirical evidence, that performance of Windows 10 is higher, therefore the OS is objectively better, for professional use.

All you have is anecdotal evidence. I can provide tons of benchmarks done on the same machine using Windows 10, vs MacOS, showing that on the same machine, Windows 10 is faster, because has more optimized drivers, and software, that is not bottlenecked by drivers.

For everyday use - there is no problem with Windows 10, apart from... subjective ones. Objective - no, not really.

Secondly. "The other dude was acting..." I think people are READING way too much, in what is written because they are easily offended by stuff.

I have 3 Intel computers in my house, 1 computer based on Intel platform, one on AMD. NONE of them is sluggish, or have any problems after the OS update. Why? Because all of software is up to date, and we don't use s*** software like FireFox that is sluggish by default, compared to other browsers.

There is no objective reason to buy a Mac. Subjective - who cares?

So again: why are you still using Apple hardware? There is absolutely zero incentive, objectively.

 

[belvdr]

Again, all you provided was anecdotal evidence, compared to empirical evidence, that performance of Windows 10 is higher, therefore the OS is objectively better, for professional use.

All you have is anecdotal evidence. I can provide tons of benchmarks done on the same machine using Windows 10, vs MacOS, showing that on the same machine, Windows 10 is faster, because has more optimized drivers, and software, that is not bottlenecked by drivers.

Faster does not necessarily mean better. We've been down this road previously, but you ignored it.

For everyday use - there is no problem with Windows 10, apart from... subjective ones. Objective - no, not really.

Secondly. "The other dude was acting..." I think people are READING way too much, in what is written because they are easily offended by stuff.

You're providing anecdotal evidence, as you say. I have seen our help desk with some strange issues coming from the major updates to Windows 10. However, I have not seen these at home on an old laptop. Either story doesn't make Windows stable or unstable; it depends a lot on the environment.

I have 3 Intel computers in my house, 1 computer based on Intel platform, one on AMD. NONE of them is sluggish, or have any problems after the OS update. Why? Because all of software is up to date, and we don't use s*** software like FireFox that is sluggish by default, compared to other browsers.

More anecdotal, and subjective, evidence.

There is no objective reason to buy a Mac. Subjective - who cares?

So again: why are you still using Apple hardware? There is absolutely zero incentive, objectively.

I do not see any objective reasons that you have presented.

For you, I can see that Apple hardware is not your thing; others prefer something different. To put the question back to you, why do you care? You seem bent on not accepting that others want something different.

 

[koyoot]

Faster does not necessarily mean better. We've been down this road previously, but you ignored it.
Says you, as you're providing anecdotal evidence, as you say.

More anecdotal evidence.
Again, I do not see any objective reasons that you have presented.

For you, I can see that Apple hardware is not your thing; others prefer something different. To put the question back to you, why do you care? You seem bent on not accepting that others want something different.

In a professional world - yes, faster means better . Unless you wan't to lose projects, because of not meeting the deadlines.

Anecdotal evidence is 30-40% faster work done, compared to a Mac? If this is anecdotal, I do not know what is empirical.

People started to mistake subjective with objective which for me, is a sign, that Jobs, and Apple have got things right .

I will turn the table, guys. Try to convince me, that slower is better. Empirically, objectively.

At the time we had: iMac 27 5K with RP 580, and i7, 32 GB of RAM.
We compared it to Ryzen 7 1700, 32 GB RAM, GTX 1060.
Windows 10, vs MacOS.
Adobe Premiere.

The same project on both of those machines was done. The PC was doing it 30-40% faster.

For PC we payed: 240$ CPU, 400$ RAM, 300$ GPU, 80$ MoBo, 130$ 512 GB SSD. PSU 115$, Case 60$.

We have 5K display also, for which we payed. 799$(iiyama XB2779QQS). Total cost was lower than of an iMac.

 

[belvdr]

In a professional world - yes, faster means better . Unless you wan't to lose projects, because of not meeting the deadlines.

No it does not necessarily mean better, especially in a professional world. Who cares if it's faster if the user is slowed down by antivirus or bad updates?

Anecdotal evidence is 30-40% faster work done, compared to a Mac? If this is anecdotal, I do not know what is empirical.

You know, many, many experimients and data collection, not just one or two tests based on one user.

People started to mistake subjective with objective which for me, is a sign, that Jobs, and Apple have got things right .

I will turn the table, guys. Try to convince me, that slower is better. Empirically, objectively.

I did this before but you ignored it.

A user comes onboard to a company and is forced to use Windows, but they are fluid with macOS. These days, it is a common occurrence. We've seen it time and again.

Even though the machine may be fast, this user is slowed by the platform. Several outcomes can occur, but what happens if the user gets frustrated and leaves the company. To your point above, projects may be lost and deadlines missed. It also cost the company more money to recruit and train another employee. It's a fast machine, but only with the right user.

I have no desire or need to convince you. Use the platform of your choice and I will use the platform of my choice. You seem to have this "one size fits all" mentality, when that's just not the case... objectively.

 

[koyoot]

A user comes onboard to a company and is forced to use Windows, where they are fluid with macOS. These days, it is a common occurrence. We've seen it time and again.

Even though the machine may be fast, this user is slowed by the platform. Several outcomes can occur, but what happens if the user gets frustrated and leaves the company. To your point above, projects may be lost and deadlines missed. It also cost the company more money to recruit and train another employee.

I have no desire or need to convince you. Use the platform of your choice and I will use the platform of my choice. You seem to have this "one size fits all" mentality, when that's just not the case... objectively.

Soooo, this is not a problem with the OS, but with the person who is not used to work on multiple platforms. But you still will blame the platform, for this.

I don't even know how to comment on this.

 

[belvdr]

Soooo, this is not a problem with the OS, but with the person who is not used to work on multiple platforms. But you still will blame the platform, for this.

I don't even know how to comment on this.

I have not once blamed the platform. All platforms have issues.

You have continually tried to prove Win10 is better than macOS, and for some metrics and deployments, I agree with you. That does not make it the best platform for every person, as you keep trying to do.

 

[Strider64]

I had spent 30+ years on the PC Side started with DOS 3.X and as a matter of fact Microsoft was still competing for the PC Operating System monopoly. I remember trying Dr. Dos and Osborne (Yeah that Osborne who made one of the first portable computers) had their own OS. Anyways, around 2000 I started building my own Personal Computers and I really started getting into building and got the building bug. I was always updating my PC components and even started to fool around with overclocking. I think when I starting overclocking is the time I started questioning myself is it really worth trying to get that extra MHz? Todays computers are all basically fast and speed in my opinion only plays a real factor if your are running a large company or need to get a project out yesterday. Even some of today's slower computers can accomplish that, but not with any guarantees. I switch over to the Apple's iMac for the simple reason is that it's an enclosed system which prevents me from getting that upgrade bug every few months and the iMac computer line is fast enough for me. I recently purchased an iMac Pro for I'm getting into video and need a little more processing power when in comes video editing.

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Windows PC and from time to time I like tinkering around on the PC side when use bootcamp on my other computer. I not a fanboy of any system and find it rather silly calling one side obsolete because it's a few seconds slower in clock speed. I use the analogy - You buy a brand new automobile (let's say 2018) with all the bells & whistles, but next year's model is going to have improved bells & whistles (even some new ones). Even a car from a different manufacturer will have better or more features. However, both vehicles will get you from point A to point B and both have to drive the same speed limits that are imposed (well legally that is ).

 

[Michael Goff]

Why not title this thread what you really think:
You’re an idiot if you buy a Mac, there’s no reason to buy one.

At least then we can know it’s a wasteland thread.

 

[lowendlinux]

I'm primarily a desktop computer user last August I had to PCS and moved from using a Mac at work to PC which meant no Apple so I spent a few hundred on a cMP did all the upgrades and now I use that. I dumped a half liter bottle of water on my Chromebook Pixel while sleeping in November, I let it dry and limped it along until it finally fully failed and I didn't want to spend much money to replace since I was obviously being careless and broke it so I bought an iPad.

So a spur of the moment ebay purchase and being cheap

 

[1050792]

macOS is still good I guess?

 

[Fragtard]

Y'all posting in a troll thread.

 

[belvdr]

Y'all posting in a troll thread.

Well, to be frank, you are too.

 

[mmomega]

I know that this question looks strange at the first glance, in this forum but...


Why are you still using Apple hardware, when whole world moved on, and is not looking back? Performance gaps between Windows and Apple hardware are ginormous. I switched to Windows, saved tons of money, and I do not feel that I lost anything by moving to Windows, from Mac. All of software is faster, more responsive, performance is much higher than on OSX, not to mention graphics performance which runs around anything on Mac.

Why are you guys still on Apple hardware, when there is absolutely zero incentive to still use their computers?

Professional Hardware? Threadripper platform - cheaper than anything Apple can offer.
AI? CUDA, and ROCm for AMD.
VR? Nobody cares at this point.

Everything for Apple appears to be in the region of... hope, rather than reason.

My incentive is only that I 100% enjoy macOS/iOS more than any other combo on the market.

With regards to performance gaps. Personally I would never notice unless I was pushing that bleeding edge consistently everyday.
I am fortunate enough to have multiple types of systems. At work and home.
I have a Ryzen 8 core system, water cooled and Overclock'd.
I have a Xeon Quad Core system, water'ed and OC'd.
A Xeon 6 Core system. A 7700K 5.2 full EKWB'd.
2 980Ti's, a 1080Ti, a Vega64 LiquidCooled, a 1070 LiquidCooled and my most used computer by far is my MacBook Pro 13".
It has told me over the last few years that my wants/needs have changed.
I tried telling myself I would be happier with some over the top system and I was for about a month or two and then it would sit and sit and sit.

I started with Windows, played around with several Linux distros over the last 15-20 years. Was a Microsoft MVP, system builder and now I take care of 40 systems, mainly Windows and it is the main reason I work as much as I do.

Even with the quirkiness in macOS I've not had a day where I wanted to pull my hair out at the end of the day.

I also have several Macs that are going on 8-9 years old and have never had a piece of hardware changed in them since I put them in place and they are being used from 7am-7pm Mon-Thr
So over the last 20+ years I have spent less cash on any Mac system from the day purchased until I got rid of it with resale value.

 

[2580285]

I was planning to replace my 15" MacBook Pro Retina from 2012 which I used mainly as a desktop with a Thunderbolt Display with a Dell XPS/Precision and a 4K 27" monitor, but I got a good price on a full-spec iMac and buying the laptop, the monitor and a dock would have cost me more than getting the iMac, which obviously had better specs compared to the XPS and allows me a little bit more flexibility. So I ordered it and I installed Windows 10 Pro the moment it arrived.

Why I still use Apple hardware? At that moment it offered me better specs with lower price than a laptop + monitor solution or than, say, a Surface Studio (which I don't think you can get with 8 GB VRAM, among other things). But I didn't buy it only because it was from Apple...

 

[hajime]

Considering to switch to Windows laptop if Apple does not release a MBP with improved keyboard. With Apple laptops, if somethings go wrong, we can bring it to a store and get it fixed. We have a physical location to complain.

Lenovo, Dell and HP have no physical store in my city. If I buy from them and have issues with my laptop, will it be more troublesome?

If I stay with Apple this time, it will be for its services rather than for its hardware or prestige of owning it. It is so common among students. Doesn't feel professional using it.

 

[Tech198]

If i'm willing to take both shoes off with Apple's "quirky-ness" (and i am) then that's why i stay with Apple. But some things Windows just does better.... so i'm forced to use it (in VM)

Considering to switch to Windows laptop if Apple does not release a MBP with improved keyboard. With Apple laptops, if somethings go wrong, we can bring it to a store and get it fixed. We have a physical location to complain.

Lenovo, Dell and HP have no physical store in my city. If I buy from them and have issues with my laptop, will it be more troublesome?

The only problem I have with Apple is the lack of replacement options by mail... That's limit it to only iPhone, but i put pressure on them and sometimes get round it *one time*, but its a battle i gotta put up with since i ain't going to go to a store physically. Least that's one good ting with Apple, but its not something i decide upon as i don't expect my products to break down if i treat them right. Unless its a 'dud'[/QUOTE]