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I suppose what I find sad is that some Apple owners (I know it's not all) have to somehow take on an air of superiority because they have a computer in a pretty box that runs a different operating system.

I'm not quite sure which part they need to brag about.

Is it OSX, is it the pretty box, or is it because it's expensive and they like to thing they are in some way better as they have a more expensive item than others they know?

I suppose it's their problem and if they do feel this way they must be making up for some personal issues from the past, where they are not comfortable with who/what they are, and need to in some way prove themselves with a purchased object.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are examples of people who don't have this hang up, they will stand in front of the worlds media in jeans, a t-shirt or a old sweater.

They don't have to prove themselves to others by dressing up fancy, showing off their expensive rings or gold chains or watches.

As I'm from the UK, I would call it class, and I know Americans do (or are supposed to have) a slightly different view on this (and the UK is changing a little to, more towards the Americans stereotypical way)

In the Money and ownership means everything. To me it means nothing.
You can be the richest person alive and still have zero class.
You could be as poor as a church mouse and still have class.

A PC and a Mac are just computers.

Who cares?

You just get the one that allows you to run the software you want on it.

It makes me laugh when someone says program X runs better on a Mac.

You ask why, it's the same program from the same company, with the same options and runs at the same speed.

And you get the answer back, it just is.

I've had a small Mac in the past, with OSX on it. It was ok, ran a bit slow, so could not really do OSX justice.

I did feel (and don't slag me off here) it was a bit "Simplified" which is no bad thing, and perhaps I had to delve in a bit deeper to get to some other options that were not apparent.

But then, that would really match what people say about Mac's you can just sit down, and almost without any training, start to do things. Well, that's just a long way of saying simplified to make things easier to use.

Does not have to be taken as an insult.

On the other hand I could say a PC is overly complex, with more complexity and options than most people really need, which is probably true.

Some people like being able to adjust 100 settings n an email application. Other people just want an email application that works without having to fiddle.

The only point where this will clash, is where someone who likes 100 options and want to set the email up his/her way is going to hate the fact that perhaps Apple have pre made those choices for the user and the user can't change them.

I'm not really taking about email, but almost anything Apple.

If you are going to give a customer an easier to operate and understand device, then by that same token, you are removing choices from the end user and making the choices for them.

iPad, iPhone, iMac etc etc.

Of course, I realise this is less so for the iMac than the other iProducts.

If you totally disagree with my views then please say so.

At the moment I run a PC which I put together myself, mostly made from 2nd hand (good quality) components.

Tomorrow morning I could buy a top of the line 27" iMac without even thinking. It's nothing to do with money at all.
 
sounds like you could have saved urself 50% and gotten a PC lol. at least the display/form is great :D

There are many things that I could do but I choose to use Apple hardware due to it form factor. I love my 21" and would never touch another 27" iMac.

The iPhone 4 did go back to ATT in less than 18 hours and my Blackberry rules!:)
 
The answer to the OP's question is really quite simple... go watch the 'magical' ad for the iphone/ipad or whatever and tell me it doesn't make you feel sick... i love my mbp and will never go back to PC's but the cheesy front end marketing campaigns along with sly back end marketing (such as omitting a camera in 1st gen ipad for no reason other than to extract max cash from us) makes me not like apple very much (as a corporation)
 
The answer to the OP's question is really quite simple... go watch the 'magical' ad for the iphone/ipad or whatever and tell me it doesn't make you feel sick... i love my mbp and will never go back to PC's but the cheesy front end marketing campaigns along with sly back end marketing (such as omitting a camera in 1st gen ipad for no reason other than to extract max cash from us) makes me not like apple very much (as a corporation)

I agree with the stomach churning cringe making adverts recently

Especially that English guy, who despite being English myself, makes me want to just give him a smack and tell him not to so so slimy and patronising, like we a 5 years olds and he's telling us a bedtime story where the adults takes on voices of the characters.

Another thing I don't understand (and does put me off the way Apple "currently" operates) is they actually punish loyal customers.

Take the iPhone / iPad tethering for mobile data.

If you jailbreak your iPhone or use someone elses phone you can use your mobile to allow your iPad to get data on the move away from WiFi

And yet, if you loyally own an iPhone and iPad and stick to the rules you can't do it.

I mean, how crazy is that.

What I would expect would be the iPhone and iPad DID talk together, but there was something in the iPad that saw it was an official iPhone and only worked with that.

So, "Loyal" customers who bought both products would be the ones who benefited the most. People with other non Apple phones would not enjoy this luxury of being able to link their phone to the iPad.

If nothing else, things like this totally put me off Apple as a company (or shall I say Steve Jobs as a person)

Punish your loyal customers who buy multiple items from your company, and reward customers who buy other products.

If that's not a crazy way to treat customers I don't know what is, and makes me feel, well, if you do this in this instance, how many other things are you applying the same way of thinking to.
 
I think a lot of people have something against Apple, because Apple tries to speak to its (potential) customers in a way that is completely different from the way most people communicate.
Apple tries to invoke emotions through their advertisements and through their products, and the mere fact that they can do this, whilst few other companies seem to be able to, qualifies a bit as magic in my book.
A run of the mill pc is marketed as being fast through the enumeration of its components. It paints a picture, but a very boring one.
Apple tries to convince you that using their products, your life will change, you will do things you never thought possible, and this in a -dare I say it- fun and pleasant way.
The Apple way is highly unusual, and a lot of people have trouble receiving this message, because they are usually so inherently skeptical of anything that isn't conveyed through facts and figures.
Simon Sinek gave a nice talk about this behavior pattern, the video is on the TED site.
 
Yes they do.

Then you should be able to link us to a list of current Mac viruses in the wild?

You can't, because they don't get viruses. No matter what problem your mac had (I'm thinking user error), you did NOT get a virus.

Awaiting for you to tell me to "shut my whore mouth". Classy.
 
I love the 'love hate' relationships that exist between everything. I can use the same reasons for all of them.

Personally, I enjoy everything for what it offers. Most people hate their opposites because they made a big purchase and don't like to consider that they made a bad choice, so they become hostile about their choice.

I love both Macs and PCs for different reasons. I love both the Xbox 360 and the PS3. I drink both Pepsi and Coke. Etc.

Why can't we all just get along :).


But more on topic, PC users hate that Macs are completely proprietary. Mac users hate that PCs get viruses. I see this as a problem down the line for Macs, however, because viruses are coming as the Mac increases in popularity (only holds a 5% marketshare right now), while they show little interest in opening up their devices to 3rd party ideas.

Edit:

Then you should be able to link us to a list of current Mac viruses in the wild?

You can't, because they don't get viruses. No matter what problem your mac had (I'm thinking user error), you did NOT get a virus.

Awaiting for you to tell me to "shut my whore mouth". Classy.

I didn't check the context of the message you were responding to, but viruses for the mac most certainly exist. Check the hidden update notes for the latest snow leopard release, you'll notice a large update towards the antivirus/antimalware/antispyware suite was made. Apple didn't publicize these in the official release notes because they don't want you to know ;).
 
Then you should be able to link us to a list of current Mac viruses in the wild?

You can't, because they don't get viruses. No matter what problem your mac had (I'm thinking user error), you did NOT get a virus.

Awaiting for you to tell me to "shut my whore mouth". Classy.
http://macscan.securemac.com/spyware-list/
http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/ibotnet-researchers-find-signs-of-zombie-macs/3157
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mac is a unix type operating system and can in fact get virii/other malware just as linux can.. but it was just so under used and MS was much more dominant people did not reall bother but you increase the popularity you increase the virii count :3 windows has so many just cause of that(though they did not make it hard)... Any and all systems can have a virus it is delusional to think that any OS is not vurnable.. and yes OS X and all other mac OS's do have virii :3
 
Then you should be able to link us to a list of current Mac viruses in the wild?

You can't, because they don't get viruses. No matter what problem your mac had (I'm thinking user error), you did NOT get a virus.

Awaiting for you to tell me to "shut my whore mouth". Classy.

shut your whore mouth...

:p

I already did post links to two known viruses (well, worms) on the previous page.

Have you actually been following this thread?
 
I think a lot of people have something against Apple, because Apple tries to speak to its (potential) customers in a way that is completely different

You mean condescending? ;)

We don't hate Apple, we hate you.

LOL :D

I suppose what I find sad is that some Apple owners (I know it's not all) have to somehow take on an air of superiority

OS X is a superior product. PC users (I think, since I'm an Apple user) hate Apple users Sheeple approach to life.

As a classic illustration: leaked photos of the iPhone 4 were published on this site, with the overtones that these are probably fake.

The result: everyone started bashing the crappy design saying that it was some cheap ripoff.

Then it turns out they were real!

The result: everyone starts praising how wonderful the new design by Apple actually is.

It's this kind of spineless thinking that probably drives PC users mad.
 
LOL its not only expensive to buy, other cost involves being called a Mac-Fag. I usually just ask what spec their awesome custom PC is and change the topic cause I love my hardware too.
 
Some reasons may be because either

A) They can't afford an :apple: themselves (Not always, some of them would be like this though)

B) They're sick of Apple's products taking No. 1 spot in whatever field they're in (iPod, iPad, iPhone (Umm, Not sure about iPhone, I think Nokia or Blackberry are slightly bigger?))

C) They think we live in 1995 where we had only one-click mouses or think that we have no games when most new games come out for Mac one point or another.

D) They're arrogant @$$-holes who forget that everyone is entitled to their preference of computers and refuse to accept that the opposing product can be good in certain aspects, even if it is better.

I like (and use) both OS's. They each have advantages and disadvantages.

Microsoft
Pro:

Gaming is a BIG plus
Con:
Viruses and can crash more often than a Mac (in my experience anyway)

Apple
Pro:

AMAZING for design, video-editing, photo-editing etc (A field I want to get a job in)
Con:
Not as much gaming (I use my Xbox 360 for gaming so I don't really care :p )

Think I might've gone a bit off-topic on that last part, ah well :eek:

Oh boy I definitely agree with you.
 
They can't afford Macs, so they hate Macs and those of us that use them. Oh well. Keep your hate, and your ****** PC. :D
 
let there be peace between Mac and Windows users :mad:
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You, sir, have just won over 9000 internets.
 
I don't hate Macs...

I generally dislike the unwashed hippy liberals they are attached to, how's that?

Too stereotypical? :)

The holier than thou attitude, Apples Toyota like management of their problems and media exposure.

All is not perfect in Apple's world as some would suggest.

My iPhone's were the best thing in the world, then the iPhone 4 sucked and people jumped all over protecting Apple when they had no personal interest in Apple, what kind of shallow existence do you need to have to defend a product and someone else when it comes of no benefit to you?

I think my 2 MB Pro's(just got the 2nd one last night) are great values. At $999 the battery life, the screen, hing quality, all the things that I can't find in a PC based laptop at the same price. I could care less about the OS, its the physical equipment that matters in this case.

Lastly I hate stupidity as an excuse and the stupidity Apple users, and Apple employee's, especially tech support show is astounding. Ignorance is an excuse, I get it all the time questioning Apple about mixed environments.
 
I still disagree strongly with the pc mantra that "macs don't have viruses because of their market share". As I said earlier, 5% is still millions and millions of Macs. The payout may not be as big but it is still there. If people could easily write non-trojan viruses for the Mac, they would even if Macs were 1%.

Viruses are written by organized crime organizations these days, PC's are used in business and business banking info is what they want to steal. If Mac's had a bigger market in the business world then you'd see more viruses written for Mac's.
 
It partly comes down to the whole Ford vs. GM thing, you're either one or the other

The other things come down to what you want from a computer.

The PC is more organic in a way it's ownership experience. The PC evolves as you go. My PC is probably totally different to any other in the world, I have it set up my way, I have a choice of hundreds of different plug in parts and that's ideal. Aside from upgrading the RAM I have never, and probably will never, open up a Mac. It's fixed, it is what it is. The plus side no the Mac of course is that it's totally stable.

The thing I do love about PCs is they can be made, by hook or by crook, to do what you want them to 99% of the time. I can bodge my way around any issue. A Mac rarely has issues but when it does there isn't the option to bodge a fix in, it just plain won't work
 
bingo.

you'll find most pc users don't care. they prefer windows and we prefer mac os. each have their strengths, but the most annoying and frustrating thing about apple is their fanboys. it's not that their are more of them than there are pc fanboys, it's just that they're far more annoying.
I beg to differ. maybe in 2010 this was true. but in 2021 the opposite is true. Windows gamers users are ultimate snobs.
 
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