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SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,431
557
Sydney, Australia
The real problem is that most people want to forget where the term "it looks like crap" came from in order to seem "open-minded" to others.

"Crap" as in actual fecal matter, is universally unappealing. Just because some mentally ill people admire fecal matter doesn't make it beautiful.

So yes, that's one reason there is an absolute measure of beauty.

How can I argue with logic like that? "Because most people find faeces unappealing therefore there must be an absolute measure of beauty".

Congratulations, welcome to my ignore list as well.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
The real problem is that most people want to forget where the term "it looks like crap" came from in order to seem "open-minded" to others.

"Crap" as in actual fecal matter, is universally unappealing. Just because some mentally ill people admire fecal matter doesn't make it beautiful.

So yes, that's one reason there is an absolute measure of beauty.

*head explodes*
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
My head exploded when matttye said there's nothing wrong with a person who finds fecal matter beautiful because beauty is subjective.

But yeah, ignore that. :rolleyes:

Sure it's out of the ordinary but that doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with it. As long as they don't start carrying turds near me, they're welcome to admire it. Nothing to do with me.
 

Calidude

macrumors 68000
Jun 22, 2010
1,730
0
Sure it's out of the ordinary but that doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with it. As long as they don't start carrying turds near me, they're welcome to admire it. Nothing to do with me.
I'm really glad that this thread isn't in the iDevices sections, because all the people who think Android apps are ugly will have a field day with people who defend Android apps AND think there's nothing wrong with somebody who finds fecal matter beautiful. :D
 

boronathan

macrumors 6502
Jul 23, 2012
326
0
Maybe you're expressing it in a way that makes it sound like an hyperbole and that is inductive of flaming and all around bad forum conduct ? Just an opinion...

You seem to be the only one here who's offended by my opinion, knight. So maybe you're just overly sensitive? Again, I'm really not sure how you're telling me what my opinion should be. Just an opinion...

I have plenty of complaints with iOS 5. Had plenty with iOS 4. Still have with the unreleased iOS 6. I have plenty of complaints about Jelly Bean too. I guess by your "opinion", they are all horrible too then. Nothing will ever be good going by that metric. I'm sorry that's the opinion you have in general of the state of smartphones, must be "horrible" for you.

Funny that in a reply to someone else, you said beauty is a subjective quality, but you seem to be implying that my opinion is wrong or hyperbole and that whether or not an os is horrible is an objective quality. It's not.

If you think jellybean has plenty of things to complain about that's your opinion. if i disagree with you, I'll tell you but I'm not going to tell you that your experience is not yours. Or that your experience is not true. Which seems to be what you're doing. And which doesn't make sense. I'm sure you have plenty of complaints about ios and jellybean. and i don't.

That doesn't mean you have to admit that you don't have problems or you'll be accused of being hyperbolic.

Still do, will always have. Bugs are a fact of life, no matter how hard companies and software developers try to implement Q&A, unit testing, etc..

That's why there are warranties and updates.

I've not experienced one reboot since using jellybean. That's why i asked which device you used it on, and you didn't answer. Bugs are a fact of life, and in my experience so far, jellybean and ios5 are far less buggy then their predecessors. Further, i did not enjoy froyo and gb, and thought they were horrible. i. Not you, not everyone. I.
 

VulchR

macrumors 68040
Jun 8, 2009
3,508
14,459
Scotland
Debate I can handle, but literally every thread in this subforum ends up flooded with trolls spouting rubbish. And yes, you're right there are trolls and fanboys on both sides its just that the iOS ones always seem a bit more militant to me :D

I genuinely hope that this sub-forum will reduce the trolling. I think the sub-forum is a great idea. I am not interested very much in Android, but occasionally I check in here to see what's up, and some of the new open source OS's do intrigue me. It does seem like the trolling has decreased somewhat with the introduction of this subforum. Hopefully the trend of better respect for each other will continue.

On my part I might be a 'militant' apple fan because I am old (I have actually word-processed on a Lisa) and remember the days of getting hassled and mocked by PC users and IT support staff in the organizations for which I worked. :rolleyes:
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Funny that in a reply to someone else, you said beauty is a subjective quality, but you seem to be implying that my opinion is wrong or hyperbole and that whether or not an os is horrible is an objective quality. It's not.

I have never said that whether an OS is or isn't horrible is objective. That is your conjecture. I'm just saying your metric for judging the level of "horribleness" is exagerated. For all their faults, the OSes weren't "horrible", and if that is truly your opinion of them, your subjective views are extremist views (again, my opinion on your opinions). Nothing ever good came out of extremism.

Shades of grey my friend, shades of grey. If you learn to temper your subjectiveness and see the good in things, you'll find the OSes weren't perfect, but were fair to good. That's a more level opinion that doesn't excuse the faults you claim to have had (we all have had them) but doesn't go into useless hyperbole and exagerations that spawn flamewars.

Nothing I've just said relates to objectivity as everyone's opinion is purely subjective. Don't put words into my posts that aren't there.

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I genuinely hope that this sub-forum will reduce the trolling. I think the sub-forum is a great idea.

While it reduces the amount of "trolling" (read here : people wanting to genuinely discuss alternatives to iOS in the iPhone/iPad forums), I think it showed the true color of some posters.

Those quick to denounce "trolls", saying this is an "Apple forum" and not to "discuss that horrible mess that is Android here!" frequest this sub-forum and spoil the threads and discussions for others.

Seems to me we know see the real trolls on the forum. They never were the "phandroids!" to begin with...
 

pandamonia

macrumors 6502a
Nov 15, 2009
585
0
I have sold my iphone and now own a Samsung s3 and ill never go back to iphone.

Android is way better in every way.

I love swift key 3. Typing on iphone after using it is hard work.

I love downloading torrents right to my phone.

I love the big screen and the amoled colours.

I like never having to use itunes ever again.

I like custom roms and widgets and live wall papers.

I like 2100mah battery as standard and the replaceable battery and memory slot.

I love never dropping calls and the fact my hsdpa signal is 4 bars instead of 2 all the time.

Why would I want to go back to iphone?

It has nothing I miss.
 

UKBeast

macrumors 6502a
Jan 21, 2010
626
53
Turkey
I have sold my iphone and now own a Samsung s3 and ill never go back to iphone.

Android is way better in every way.

I love swift key 3. Typing on iphone after using it is hard work.

I love downloading torrents right to my phone.

I love the big screen and the amoled colours.

I like never having to use itunes ever again.

I like custom roms and widgets and live wall papers.

I like 2100mah battery as standard and the replaceable battery and memory slot.

I love never dropping calls and the fact my hsdpa signal is 4 bars instead of 2 all the time.

Why would I want to go back to iphone?

It has nothing I miss.

I am opposite on most of these points.

iOs is way better than android

I do not want to use torrents on a mobile device, wasting too much time and resources.

I do not love big screen because big screen makes it less mobile as it is more difficult to use it with single hand and keep in pocket

I love itunes and it is a perfect synchronization solution for all my devices

I do not like custom roms because they are wasting time, may not be stable and thats hobby, for me to get the job done i do not need a custom rom.
 

boronathan

macrumors 6502
Jul 23, 2012
326
0
I have never said that whether an OS is or isn't horrible is objective. That is your conjecture. I'm just saying your metric for judging the level of "horribleness" is exagerated. For all their faults, the OSes weren't "horrible", and if that is truly your opinion of them, your subjective views are extremist views (again, my opinion on your opinions). Nothing ever good came out of extremism.

Shades of grey my friend, shades of grey. If you learn to temper your subjectiveness and see the good in things, you'll find the OSes weren't perfect, but were fair to good. That's a more level opinion that doesn't excuse the faults you claim to have had (we all have had them) but doesn't go into useless hyperbole and exagerations that spawn flamewars.

Nothing I've just said relates to objectivity as everyone's opinion is purely subjective. Don't put words into my posts that aren't there

My "metric" is subjective! That's my point. If i think something is horrible, it's horrible to me. This is like me telling you that your metrics for what's good are flawed and you're easily pleased. If you're happy with something, you're happy with something. For my needs, the random reboots, lag and user unfriendliness that i experienced make them horrible. Your metrics may differ from mine but that doesn't make my metric invalid.

i see the good in things. In fact i see the great in jellybean and ios5. They're not perfect, but they're not horrible like "I" thought froyo and gb were. I don't know why we're still discussing this.

Others here have also stated the problems they have with ios and/or Android. Subjective. Purely subjective, and if you think my post was meant to convince people or adhere with my opinion, it wasn't. It was purely subjective based on my opinion and experience.
 

pandamonia

macrumors 6502a
Nov 15, 2009
585
0
I am opposite on most of these points.

iOs is way better than android

I do not want to use torrents on a mobile device, wasting too much time and resources.

I do not love big screen because big screen makes it less mobile as it is more difficult to use it with single hand and keep in pocket

I love itunes and it is a perfect synchronization solution for all my devices

I do not like custom roms because they are wasting time, may not be stable and thats hobby, for me to get the job done i do not need a custom rom.

Not one of your points even suggests that ios is better than android. Haha.

You try and prove your point by saying you don't want certain features. Well it's a good job then because you don't have them!

Don't you want a bigger battery? Guess not Haha

You say wasting time a lot in your post but forget that itunes is a huge waste of time. Try beating drag and drop.

Good luck if you ever change computer. You will waste a load of time wondering how not to wipe your phone
 

pandamonia

macrumors 6502a
Nov 15, 2009
585
0
I like iTunes & I understand there is no Android equivelent. Although I heard you can move files from your computer to the Android. The OS on iPhone is frequetly updated whereas the Android you purchase stays the same. The Apps for the iPhone are obviously better as the Android experience suffers from fragmentation.

I aways had Apple products but everything I read is the only reason to go elsewhere is to potentiall save money at the expense of usefulness.

Why would you want to use iTunes it's the worst program ever written. After five years living with it I am finally free from that crap.

My Samsung s3 apps are way better than iOS. For a start I can see more information. I have almost iPad size apps and resolution on many apps now. I can run messengers in the background without having to wait on push notifications.

My Samsung is far more capable and useful than any iPhone I have ever owned in the last 5 years.

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I like change just fine.

When I changed from the Asus Transformer to iPad, it was great.

When I changed to the iPhone after 3 years of slogging it with Android, it was even better...

Trying to type this post on my iPad makes me want to murder a kitten. That's how frustrating it is.

I'm going back to tapatalk and swift key.
 

Mrg02d

macrumors 65816
Jan 27, 2012
1,102
2
Lets not forget PAYING for a random ios app only to find its garbage and NO refunds.:D Enter the Android Play Store...REFUND
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
I am opposite on most of these points.

iOs is way better than android

I do not want to use torrents on a mobile device, wasting too much time and resources.

I do not love big screen because big screen makes it less mobile as it is more difficult to use it with single hand and keep in pocket

I love itunes and it is a perfect synchronization solution for all my devices

I do not like custom roms because they are wasting time, may not be stable and thats hobby, for me to get the job done i do not need a custom rom.

So why not just not do that stuff (torrents, custom roms)?

Seems like a selfish outlook. You don't want the option of those features therefore you don't want the device to have it and no one else have it.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to NOT do something. Not doing something is very easy.

Both the android devices I have at stock and I love them. God forbid I COULD download a torrent app yet I chose not too.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Malware is so easy to avoid its crazy. Not only do you know the app permissions, just don't do dumb things.

Put it this way, someone link an app that has malware.
 

AAPLinc

macrumors 65816
Jul 27, 2012
1,292
2
Hollywood, CA
I like how you're asking this as if no one hates on Apple. I actually think that Apple is hated on more. But that's okay, it means they're doing it right.
 
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