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Why do people love Blackberries?

anjinhamarota said:
People act like the iPhone is super unreliable in terms of email. I have NEVER missed an email on the iPhone either.
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It's not super unreliably, just annoying and doesn't get me what I need.

What I (and many others) want in a mobile inbox is to almost instantaneously recieve our new emails, directly to our mobile device. Apple's Push has taken forever to release, and in that time people have bought blackberries. It works flawlessly with any email address I throw at it. And delivers push on all of them.

Also, I don't want to download the mail that already exists in my inbox. I could use the mobile browser for that. All I want is my new mail, something I'm waiting for, or something I immediately need to respond to.
 
anjinhamarota said:
Well, I've been using Mobile Me for Push email for a while and I get my email instantly, it just works flawlessly. That being said I understand if people whose work depends on email don't want to rely on it too much it since it is a relatively new service and Apple still has some kinks to iron out.
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Thats great. The iPhone doesn't push my godaddy email account like my BB does and frankly that is the most important one for me.
 
str1f3 said:
Blackberry is more specifically geared towards corporate businesses though. Small businesses can do fine, and many have, with the iPhone.

I think they will catch up to Blackberry's in most of its email capabilities but to tell the truth I don't care. I'm glad that in this decade we have moved past the point of businesses heavily influencing software and the consumer becoming the dominant force. Because of the business influence software has become bloated with ugly UI's. The consumer now has becoming the dominant part of tech.

In the long term I believe BB will be in a little trouble or maybe finally bought out by MS. Why:

-they are barely beating the iPhone in sales and sooner or later the exclusivity will end
-while they may be working on a Webkit browser, the truth is the whole OS needs a redesign
-they have at least 3 kinds of keyboard/touchscreen layouts that devs need to program for
-consumers are beginning to dominate the market
-Android is another competitor and has a more cohesive platform and app store. BB's App World has for the most part become a failure. Since businesses
order BB in bulk for their employees many don't want them installing third party apps for security reasons. It also doen't help that the store doesn't offer free apps.

While BB may be fine for some time I really question whether they can be successful enough just appealing to businesses, when more and more employees want to use their personal phone. That may be an Android or iPhone.
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In a Corporate world, where you have an enterprise of 175,000 employees, what the employee wants to use is irrelevant. A large corporation is going to standardize on what has the best security, cost effective, is easily supportable, upgradable and has good coverage options. Right now and for the foreseeable future, this is not the iPhone. The Blackberry can suffer a lot more abuse than an iPhone.
 
QCassidy352 said:
um, yeah, it can be argued. A significant number (though still a minority) of major law firms and financial institutions now allow iPhones. Short of the CIA, there aren't really any institutions that require higher levels of information security. The 3GS and 3.1 have made great strides wrt security.
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This is true, and it is also true that those companies who use iPhones are vulnerable. It is because of how iPhone handles its encryption.

The worlds finanical business right now is conducted on Blackberry. If you are in a major financial city in the US, check outside at suits in the morning, at lunch, and on the way home, they are on BBs, and their is a damn good reason for it.
Someone else here mentioned MobileMe. MobileMe is for individuals, not enterprise use. There is so much more a BES server can provided in way of statistics and such for spotting potential problems, flagging events, etc. MobileMe compared to BES, is like comparing the moon to jupiter.

That being said, for personal use I still want my iphone.
 
sinsin07 said:
This is true, and it is also true that those companies who use iPhones are vulnerable. It is because of how iPhone handles its encryption.

The worlds finanical business right now is conducted on Blackberry. If you are in a major financial city in the US, check outside at suits in the morning, at lunch, and on the way home, they are on BBs, and their is a damn good reason for it.
Someone else here mentioned MobileMe. MobileMe is for individuals, not enterprise use. There is so much more a BES server can provided in way of statistics and such for spotting potential problems, flagging events, etc. MobileMe compared to BES, is like comparing the moon to jupiter.

That being said, for personal use I still want my iphone.
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I did mention Mobile Me, but I never said it was suitable for enterprise use. I mentioned it in response to someone to someone that said you can't get instant email on an iPhone. I have Mobile Me and I get my email instantly.
 
Winni said:
Blackberries are ultra-reliable and extraordinarily well supported no-nonsense enterprise/corporate tools. They even have a real keyboard. And they "just work" - everywhere in the world.
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Um yeah...and no they don't. I have a blackberry issued to me everytime I head out on a company trip. So far I find the bloody thing unreliable to send emails and SMS. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find the real keyboard thing hard to use, as it is so tiny. Every time I want to enter a number or special character I have to use the "alt" button and that makes it fairly difficult and unnecessarily cumbersome when you are trying to send a string of numbers. I find the comment of "they just work" more than laughable and actually far from the truth.
 
anjinhamarota said:
Well, I've been using Mobile Me for Push email for a while and I get my email instantly, it just works flawlessly. That being said I understand if people whose work depends on email don't want to rely on it too much it since it is a relatively new service and Apple still has some kinks to iron out.
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I thought there was a little more delay involved than on a Blackberry, but I could be wrong. Exchange Push works well on the iPhone too. In my experience it's close enough to instant.

I think the biggest difference between the phones in regards to Push email is not the time delay, but the battery life impact. On an iPhone, if you use Push and you get a steady flow of emails throughout the day, it can take a big hit on battery life. The iPhone goes into "deep sleep" power saving mode after a period of inactivity, but if you're getting emails every 10 minutes, it can't ever get into deep sleep. If I understand correctly, the Blackberry doesn't have this limitation. It is built specifically to handle a LOT of email.

So in summary, for heavy email users who want instant push, the Blackberry is more suited for it. You can do it with an iPhone, but you'll have to charge it a lot or get one of those extended battery packs.

Most iPhone users I know, including myself, don't use push. I set to fetch every hour, but I can check manually whenever I want. I don't rely on email for people to reach me instantly. They can call, IM with Beejive, or text.
 
Winni said:
Blackberries are ultra-reliable and extraordinarily well supported no-nonsense enterprise/corporate tools. They even have a real keyboard. And they "just work" - everywhere in the world.
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I agree that for enterprise/corporate use, the Blackberry has a strong foothold and that will drive more Blackberry sales.

But I would argue that in terms of reliability (ie. the software working as it should, crashes are minimal, and no hardware problems) the iPhone is JUST as good. I hardly EVER have a problem with my iPhone. It's the most reliable phone I've ever owned. And unlike Blackberries, I don't have the issue of trackball problems (dirt, failures) or that silly Storm click-screen acting up.

And my iPhone "Just works" all over the world.
 
redman042 said:
And my iPhone "Just works" all over the world.
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If you pay exorbitant roaming fees, sure. You can toss any SIM you want into any gsm berry, or many cdma berries and have it work. Without voiding your warranty.

Not to mention, unlike international text, international BBM is included in your data plan.
 
iPhone Savvy said:
This is something I haven't even thought of but does make a lot of sense. Maybe some people disregard features and just simply do not want a strictly touch screen phone. Good thoughts.
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I lent my iPhone to a women co-worker, should could not operate the touch screen because of her nails, she had trouble trying to press with the skin part of her fingers. I would estimate her nail length to be about a little more than a quarter inch above her finger tips. She got frustrated and just handed me back the phone.
 
OriginalFormula said:
If you pay exorbitant roaming fees, sure. You can toss any SIM you want into any gsm berry, or many cdma berries and have it work. Without voiding your warranty.
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If they are unlocked. If they're not you're also going to pay exorbitant roaming fees. You can get an unlocked iPhone too. Legally unlocked I mean.
 
OriginalFormula said:
If you pay exorbitant roaming fees, sure. You can toss any SIM you want into any gsm berry, or many cdma berries and have it work. Without voiding your warranty.

Not to mention, unlike international text, international BBM is included in your data plan.
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You can unlock your iPhone you know? Either buy one legally unlocked thru many European carriers, or unlock yours thru one of the 2 available tools (the latter choice being cheaper as in free).
 
sinsin07 said:
In a Corporate world, where you have an enterprise of 175,000 employees, what the employee wants to use is irrelevant. A large corporation is going to standardize on what has the best security, cost effective, is easily supportable, upgradable and has good coverage options. Right now and for the foreseeable future, this is not the iPhone. The Blackberry can suffer a lot more abuse than an iPhone.
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Exactly. The way the iPhone is so dependent on iTunes even with the 3.0 update irks me and would never hold up for business use. The iPhone is too much of a play phone. Blackberry is srsbsn.
 
anjinhamarota said:
If they are unlocked. If they're not you're also going to pay exorbitant roaming fees. You can get an unlocked iPhone too. Legally unlocked I mean.
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you can only get it legally unlocked in Europe or other parts of the world. While in U.S.A "land of the free" you cannot. See people like me who travel to europe and want a iPhone but cant use it since its not a reliable phone if hacked.

The new 3gs's cant be turned off and turned on again without a computer, while a blackberry you only need unlock code and your good to go.
 
polishmacuser said:
you can only get it legally unlocked in Europe or other parts of the world. While in U.S.A "land of the free" you cannot. See people like me who travel to europe and want a iPhone but cant use it since its not a reliable phone if hacked.

The new 3gs's cant be turned off and turned on again without a computer, while a blackberry you only need unlock code and your good to go.
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But that has nothing to do with the iPhone itself, it has to do with the carriers.

If you travel to Europe why don't you buy an unlocked iPhone in Europe?
 
polishmacuser said:
you can only get it legally unlocked in Europe or other parts of the world. While in U.S.A "land of the free" you cannot. See people like me who travel to europe and want a iPhone but cant use it since its not a reliable phone if hacked.

The new 3gs's cant be turned off and turned on again without a computer, while a blackberry you only need unlock code and your good to go.
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So, the US is different than the rest of the world. That's how it works here. The easiest way to deal with this is juts buy an unlocked iPhone from Europe and use it all over the world. I believe Italy sells them cheapest of all EU nations... you might want to check on that.
 
jav6454 said:
So, the US is different than the rest of the world. That's how it works here. The easiest way to deal with this is juts buy an unlocked iPhone from Europe and use it all over the world. I believe Italy sells them cheapest of all EU nations... you might want to check on that.
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Nothing sucks balls more than being in a foreign country with only your iPhone and it says "Connect to iTunes" with no options to just use the damn phone when you need it. That happened to my friend this summer when I was in the Dominican Republic, she was using a Orange SIM (Great GSM service there too I might add) and her iPhone crapped out and had that message luckily she had a blackberry to pop the SIM into but its just a pain.
 
nateo200 said:
Nothing sucks balls more than being in a foreign country with only your iPhone and it says "Connect to iTunes" with no options to just use the damn phone when you need it. That happened to my friend this summer when I was in the Dominican Republic, she was using a Orange SIM (Great GSM service there too I might add) and her iPhone crapped out and had that message luckily she had a blackberry to pop the SIM into but its just a pain.
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Or you could plug in your iPhone, hit Restore using a Pwnage tool created .ipsw and unlock your iPhone for usage.
 
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