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HobeSoundDarryl

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These kinds of questions are generally narrow viewpoint questions... lacking perspective. They remind me of the frequent use of "99% don't want..." when the survey pool is much more likely to be only the person writing it or maybe that person plus a few friends... neither of which tends to be enough to make up a fraction of 1% of all users, but presented like that super-narrow take should apply to everyone.

People use all kinds of products in all kinds of ways other than the seemingly main/intended way. Maybe it's just how they like to do things? Maybe their unique particulars affect HOW they can use something? Maybe it's economics? Maybe it's the way they learned to do something and never think to question it? Maybe simply because they can? The reasoning/rationale list could be endless.

Perspective: Why does someone choose iPhone mini instead of iPhone MAX? The latter has so much more screen space and it's so much easier for "me" to do everything an iPhone can do on that bigger screen vs. trying to do it on that much-too-tiny one.

Counter-Perspective: Why does someone choose that too-big, too-heavy, much-more-expensive iPhone MAX when the smaller, much-more-pocketable, lighter mini can do pretty-much-everything the big one can do?

Counter-Perspective 2: Why does anyone choose the tiniest or that huge one at each extreme when the one "I" chose in the middle is obviously the Goldilocks, "just right" size/weight/price?

Which of the three is right? Answer: they ALL are towards 100% right from their own perspective. The other perspective(s) is obviously wrong because "my" way is THE way that "I" judge works best for "me." Of course, if you could step inside the other guys/gals thoughts, they can passionately argue- and BELIEVE- the exact same thing... just as fully as you do.

Moral of the story: to each his own. Why people use a laptop in clamshell is their business... and they probably have very good reasoning to them for doing so. Why don't they see it someone else's way? Because they are their own person. They can "think different." Their needs/wants/environment/economics/use case may simply make it make sense to them.

I recall at launch of MBpro with M1 PRO & MAX, there seemed to be quite a big group- myself included- ready to buy the also-rumored Mac Mini with PRO & MAX options. That latter group really wanted a new desktop Mac and the existing M1 Mini was not quite enough for them for whatever reason(s). When Apple didn't fill that want, some of them purchased a thin, light alternative "Mini" that happens to also come with a screen, camera, battery, keyboard and trackpad "forced" into the purchase. That got them their desired, more powerful "desktop" machine ASAP vs. having to wait longer for that Mac Mini, which still hasn't actually shown up (unless you count the "Fat" Mini that I chose to buy myself after waiting many more months after the MBpro launches).

Maybe some of the clamshell users would rather have the MBpro tech "guts" sans the screen, battery, camera, keyboard and mouse in a Mini with PRO or MAX? Unfortunately, no such option until Studio... and Studio pricing does offer some easy consumer rationale to choose a MBpro instead, so that it can double as desktop (guts) AND laptop as ONE purchase.

I'm aware of some people who make a desktop Mini their mobile computer, carting it back and forth between home and work to use in ways that a MBpro would handle as well. Why do that they do that? Bigger screens at each end? Full-sized keyboards with separate number keys? They just WANT to use it that way?

I'm aware of some people who use iMacs- even the old 27"- like that, carrying it where they go. Why do they do that instead of going with a much more portable MB? They must have their reasons.

While I personally also have an aging MBpro, it has occurred to me that the Studio Ultra could basically be a cubic "bowling ball" that could be pretty "mobile" itself... if wherever else I wanted to work could supply a monitor. For example, screen setup at work and home and perhaps Studio makes for the better "mobile" for my purposes anyway. Would anyone do such a crazy thing? There actually ARE already bags sized to be a laptop-like carry bag for Studio.

The point here is that every user has their own wants & needs from their hardware. Some use that makes complete sense to any one of us may be towards the opposite from their perspective... and vice versa. Who is more right? They BOTH are equally right from their own perspective.

Lastly- directly to the thread question- I would wild guess that many who use a MBpro in clamshell probably do NOT do that 100% of the time... that they do- in fact- sometimes take it out with them (such as when traveling) and use it as a pure laptop. In my own usage over many years, I've done exactly that: clamshell most of the time when I needed to lean on the tech guts in a laptop for whatever reason, but pure laptop when "on the road." But that's just me. There very well may be people who NEVER use one as a traditional laptop and there are probably many/most(?) who ALWAYS use it as a traditional laptop (only). If the second screen option works for some, some likely use it that way. If not, they don't.
 
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One reason for me is ergonomics. The MBP's screen is gorgeous but it is designed to be viewed "at laptop distance". When I use a larger external monitor + keyboard at the desk I am usually sitting in a position where I already find the 16" screen a little too small. I do use it when needed, such as when I need the webcam to take a call or I just need more space, but I simply prefer to look at large screens when at the desk.
 
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Tozovac

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I'm not asking why people prefer to use the larger screen over a laptop screen, but rather why people decide to waste the extra screen on the laptop when driving an external monitor.

I understand there are valid reasons for it and there is no wrong answer. As I mentioned in the OP I'm curious, as I see quite a lot of people running their MPBs in clamshell mode almost exclusively.

My desk doesn't have limitless space, so when I want to use my MBA but also the large monitor, sometimes the convenience of maintaining more available desk space on a given day outweighs the need for more screen space. Also when moving stuff around it's a lot more convenient to use the small magic keyboard and a Magic Mouse instead of using the MBA keyboard & trackpad. Simple as that.
 

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Because it’s easier to keep windows organized without having to worry about another display open. Because I have two 27 inch displays on my work machine, and having to worry about resizing for the smaller display doesn’t make sense. When I’m teaching on zoom, it’s easier spacially to only deal with 2 monitors. Because my current personal machine runs too hot just with the external display, so asking it to run 2 monitors is too much. Because when I’m writing, I’m at my desk, but when I’m traveling, I’m not, why should I have to buy 2 machines?
 
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LiE_

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These kinds of questions are generally narrow viewpoint questions... lacking perspective. They remind me of the frequent use of "99% don't want..." when the survey pool is much more likely to be only the person writing it or maybe that person plus a few friends... neither of which tends to be enough to make up a fraction of 1% of all users, but presented like that super-narrow take should apply to everyone.

I think you missed the point of the thread. I am asking the question to gain perspective! I didn't come into the thread saying "people who use clamshell are wrong", I have no opinion, I simply wanted to understand why people to do it.
 

alanvitek

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I use clamshell mode at my desk (have two external monitors, a 32” and a vertical 27”) and I prefer a mouse and full size keyboard with numpad over the laptop keyboard. This setup is most productive/conducive for pro work.

That being said, I also use the laptop away from my desk plenty when doing lighter tasks.
 

BellSystem

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Because my super wide display is 1) a different resolution 2) takes up so much space that my display is too far away 3) don’t need multiple displays when my single has more than enough space.

Most of us buy a laptop for the rare occasion we need to be away from our desks. The laptop screen is always at a strange height or too small to use on a desk with a large display. It’s not like we picked the screen….we have no choice.

Also who cares how other people use there displays? Do what you want.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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I think you missed the point of the thread. I am asking the question to gain perspective! I didn't come into the thread saying "people who use clamshell are wrong", I have no opinion, I simply wanted to understand why people to do it.

Your responses within this thread don't come off that way. For example, while I can't speak for them, I doubt that very many feel like they are "wasting" the screen- I certainly didn't at times when I've used a MB that way. Instead, I'm simply using a computer in a variety of ways.

I suspect there are likely SOME who definitely DO feel like they are wasting the screen- those who bought one in place of the Mac Mini with M1 PRO or MAX they were really wanting... and EXCLUSIVELY using it as a Mini substitute. That tends to be the old "forced _______ on me that I didn't really want or need" viewpoint. There's probably tangible sense of "waste" there but they purchased anyway because they chose to tolerate the parts "I'll never use" to get to use the parts they actually want to use.

My most frequently used keyboard has F13-F19 keys on it. I don't think I've ever used them for anything (upwards of 20 years now) but don't feel I'm wasting them by not using them. I presume there is something to do with them that others find handy and I just haven't dug into what that is yet.

I have some ports on the new Studio with nothing plugged into them and doubt I may ever use them at all. I don't consider them a waste by not using them. That doesn't undermine the use value of that Studio to me- the rationale for the purchase was not about using every port.

However, a little closer to home than those examples, years ago I mostly "retired" an old iPod into a car that could tap it as an onboard music library jukebox. I pretty much don't ever use its screen or its controls anymore but I get a ton of great benefit out of it in just about every car trip. I'm easily "wasting" the benefits of it's UI, screen, controls, pocket-ability, etc. but don't have any sense of "waste" since the thing I want most from it is delivered in a frequently enjoyed way.

As I shared, I would (wild) guess- qualified by my own usage of laptops in clamshell mode at times- that not too many use it ONLY that way... that they do, in fact, sometimes take their "desktop" with them and use it and it's fantastic screen, keyboard, trackpad, battery, camera, etc as a true laptop too. Those who do NOT- those who only use it in clamshell mode- are probably people who wanted to buy a product that Apple simply did not release (yet). Rather than keep waiting- out of want or need- they purchased- and paid up for- the next nearest thing and simply don't use some of what also comes with the parts of the tech they do want to use.

There are many, great & direct answers to the question already piled up in this thread. I can add one more from my own perspective. My work desk is built into a (hole in the) wall. So I basically have a fixed amount of space for everything to fit into the hole. My computing work needs as much screen RE as I can get, so this year I embraced a 40" 5K2K ultra-wide to maximize screen RE in the "hole." There's not enough room next to it to work in a second laptop screen too... nor would I personally be very interested in 2 dramatically-different sizes of screens even if there was.

For a little while between the death of my prior main screen- iMac 27"- and the arrival of Studio, I was using MB to stand in. The productivity hit working on a relatively much smaller screen than iMac 27" for what I do was sizable- far too much moving windows around and "mission control"ing to try to get by until the Ultra Wide and then the new Mac Mini MAX was (certainly coming) released :oops: becoming- for me- Studio instead.

I just couldn't deal with trying to do everything I do on a (tiny?) MB screen as a desktop replacement. So as soon as UW arrived, I clamshelled MB to gain access to the much greater screen RE. That jacked productivity back to a little better than the iMac 27" level. And then as soon as Studio arrived, MB reverted to being the occasional-need, pure laptop again... not "wasted" but simply a tool for a different scenario- the road warrior scenario- through my own lens.

If I wasn't working within the hard constraints of the "hole" and I did have some use for putting a MB-sized screen next to the bigger UW screen, I would do that. Apparently, many of us have the ability to use various sizes of iPad screens as some extra screen RE too. So conceptually, someone like me could basically have a small-medium-large (screen) layout if they found it useful for their purposes. In my case, UW scratches all productivity itches and fully fits in the "hole" so I feel no personal need to move it all out of the hole to gain some extra screen RE. If that changed, I'd probably be more likely to buy another UW for a twin desktop monitor setup or maybe 3 more of them for a 2 X 2 setup.
 
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Arctic Moose

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Apple makes incredible desktops for people who want to connect a larger display. Use the right tools for the job. Buy a desktop Mac for work at the desk, and use your MacBook Pros as laptops when you need them.

Simples, indeed. I can think of no meaningful downside at all.

Lots of upsides though:

  • I only need to buy one computer, not two.
  • When I am mobile, I have everything with me, always.
  • If power cuts out the computer doesn't shut down, it continues on battery.
  • When I bought the 14" it had the best performance of any Mac available for purchase.

Why the hell would I buy another computer, that would provide no benefit at all? Can you provide any reasonable motivation to do so?

I'm not asking why people prefer to use the larger screen over a laptop screen, but rather why people decide to waste the extra screen on the laptop when driving an external monitor.

I understand there are valid reasons for it and there is no wrong answer. As I mentioned in the OP I'm curious, as I see quite a lot of people running their MPBs in clamshell mode almost exclusively.

You're picking bits and pieces out of the replies you have received.

I'll make a list:

  • Two screens, especially of different size, causes cognitive stress which is detrimental to productivity for lots of people, it is literally worse than using just one larger screen.
  • Reduces work space clutter.
  • Keeps cables and peripherals out of sight.
  • Reduces power consumption.
  • Disables cameras and microphones that would otherwise clutter input device lists.
  • Potentially reduced dust and debris ingress.
  • Potentially increase of GPU performance for the screen you're actually using?
 
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Arctic Moose

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Yes I'm not a fan of quoting entire posts.

You didn't quote anything at all.

The entire post consisted of:

Having the MPB off the side as an extra screen doesn’t stop you from using a separate keyboard and mouse?

Both of the replies (all of them, at that point) contained:

having the screen 'open' doesn't really add value to my productivity

I have limited desk space, so the MacBook sits in a vertical stand (in clamshell) next to my desk

to reduce clutter

too small to add any value at all to my workflow

Your snarky replies do not read like you're at all interested in understanding why we chose to purchase MacBooks and primarily use them clamshelled.
 

LiE_

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You didn't quote anything at all.

The entire post consisted of:



Both of the replies (all of them, at that point) contained:









Your snarky replies do not read like you're at all interested in understanding why we chose to purchase MacBooks and primarily use them clamshelled.

I think you need to go back and read it again.

These are the only 2 posts above my comment about keyboard and mouse.

I'd rather use a standalone keyboard + Magic Trackpad

I keep the 14" on a shelf underneath my desk to reduce clutter. I want a decent keyboard and a mouse, and the 14" screen is too small to add any value at all to my workflow.

I'm struggling to understand how you are confused by my comment in that context?

If it's snarky to a ask for clarification then I guess I'm snarky.
 

dukebound85

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I never understood this either.

Apple makes incredible desktops for people who want to connect a larger display. Use the right tools for the job. Buy a desktop Mac for work at the desk, and use your MacBook Pros as laptops when you need them.

Simples.
get what works for you...

i like being able to dock when at home and use dedicated large screens but maintain portability as needed...hence internal screen
 

LiE_

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Sounds like he doesn’t have the desk space for that

Maybe, but instead of saying that he seemed upset that I didn't mention he prefers larger screens. Preferring larger screens didn't need any further clarification, it's obvious. The keyboard and mouse bit I was confused about.
 

ignatius345

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I never understood this either.

Apple makes incredible desktops for people who want to connect a larger display. Use the right tools for the job. Buy a desktop Mac for work at the desk, and use your MacBook Pros as laptops when you need them.

Simples.
I did the "laptop as desktop" thing for a few years and it was always a pain in the ass. I'm pretty diligent about having a backup drive mounted, and sometimes have drives for other things -- and I was always having to eject them and remount them, and it all felt very cluttery. Admittedly it could be done more cleanly now with wireless keyboard and mouse and USB-C docks, but I'd still be ejecting drives every time I wanted to use my computer in a different room, versus now where I just find my Air and open that up while the iMac sits where it is.
 
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icanhazmac

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Curious why people use clamshell mode, especially on the new 14/16 MBP with those gorgeous screens. You are paying for that lovely screen which can be used as an additional screen, but instead decide to run in clamshell mode.

Having the MPB off the side as an extra screen doesn’t stop you from using a separate keyboard and mouse?

I just found it an odd reason, like having the laptop open somehow forces you to use the built in keyboard and mouse.

Desk space and ergonomics. My use case is about 50% office 50% travel, when at home I enjoy 2 27" monitors. Opening the laptop for a 3rd screen (at an ergonomic height) would require a stand (example pictured) that would take up a ton of valuable desk space and even if I did that the screen would be too far away for comfortable use at its default resolution (I did try it). As pictured a far better solution for the 3rd screen is my OG 12.9 iPP using either Sidecar or Universal Control.


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Apple makes incredible desktops for people who want to connect a larger display. Use the right tools for the job. Buy a desktop Mac for work at the desk, and use your MacBook Pros as laptops when you need them.

Simples.

Why would I want to buy a separate desktop when my laptop can serve a dual purpose? Saved a bunch of $$. Simples.
 

ziggy29

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I never understood this either.

Apple makes incredible desktops for people who want to connect a larger display. Use the right tools for the job. Buy a desktop Mac for work at the desk, and use your MacBook Pros as laptops when you need them.

Simples.
This sounds a little “let them eat cakey”. A lot of folks don't have the money to buy both a desktop and laptop systems. And even if they did have the money, many of them could find a better use of it than doing so.
 

hoo-man-b-ing

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I’ve tried clamshell mode, but I personally prefer the simplicity of using my laptop as my keyboard and trackpad when connected to an external display. This means I get to avoid having extra stuff (keyboard with touchid, mouse, their associated charging cables, a vertical stand for my laptop, etc) while avoiding any sort of Bluetooth connectivity or clamshell related issues.

To be clear, I prefer the simplicity of a single display so I only rely on my docked laptop’s display for less frequently used/secondary information (e.g. activity monitor).

And I know some folks love clamshell more, which is awesome.
 
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