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Shotgun OS

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Dec 18, 2006
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I used Vista the day we got it installed at my school. I got a virus in under 5 minutes. That's one of the reasons why I hate Vista, along with an ugly UI and random crashes. I tried to open more than 6 apps at a time and the complete OS bugged out and fried.:rolleyes:
 

DoFoT9

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Jun 11, 2007
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I used Vista the day we got it installed at my school. I got a virus in under 5 minutes. That's one of the reasons why I hate Vista, along with an ugly UI and random crashes. I tried to open more than 6 apps at a time and the complete OS bugged out and fried.:rolleyes:

hahahaha 6!!! i can open my entire applications folder and not have my mac crash. thats 68 solid apps (FCP included).

vista will be fixed soon tho. eventually
 

RainCityMacFan

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Jun 10, 2007
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hahahaha 6!!! i can open my entire applications folder and not have my mac crash. thats 68 solid apps (FCP included).

vista will be fixed soon tho. eventually

Umm it took XP years to get it running stable and reliable... SP1, SP2, and countless patches...

It's running very well and I think it's a GREAT OS (Windows XP) but I feel that Microsoft as taken a step back with Vista. The least they can do is to use the things they learned from XP and incorporate it into Vista. Pass out the beta version of Vista to developers to make their software compatible...
 

DoFoT9

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Jun 11, 2007
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London, United Kingdom
Umm it took XP years to get it running stable and reliable... SP1, SP2, and countless patches...

It's running very well and I think it's a GREAT OS (Windows XP) but I feel that Microsoft as taken a step back with Vista. The least they can do is to use the things they learned from XP and incorporate it into Vista. Pass out the beta version of Vista to developers to make their software compatible...

good point, OSX did take about up to 10.3 to get pretty much down packed. even now its still not perfect, but its so stable. trial and error.

it was a good step by M$ to implement beta testing to users, apart from the fact that hacx0rz can have a look at the system...but u kno.. tit for tat
 

RainCityMacFan

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good point, OSX did take about up to 10.3 to get pretty much down packed. even now its still not perfect, but its so stable. trial and error.

it was a good step by M$ to implement beta testing to users, apart from the fact that hacx0rz can have a look at the system...but u kno.. tit for tat


I thought MS fixes their product by getting the errors reported from users..

Like they would release a crappy barely beta'd version to the public and every time they screw up the OS it would say.. Report Error... Yes..... ....

No solution found, however this error has been reported to Microsoft.... Done.

Then they would fix all this in SP1 and such... What a bad way to test and fix their products...
 

Sbrocket

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Jun 3, 2007
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I don't feel like writing a diatribe just to get my opinion thrown back at me accompanied by some silly metaphor that doesn't really fit the situation, so I'm just going to point out a single thing (out of many).

Microsoft does not put enough effort into their user interfaces to make them truly user-friendly and easy to use.

That's right. Vista represents a patched together mess of amazing, dazzling new graphics and random visual effects that are thrown around the interface in a way that it seems Microsoft is trying to cram as many cool effects in as they can...just so they can say "we have a cool interface with moving effects and stuff." It doesn't matter simply that Vista has Aero, has some fancy effects in applications, has some "gadgets" over on the right of the desktop if it isn't designed and implemented well. You can't throw together a bunch of features without meshing them together in a seemless fashion and expect to end up with a good product. However, Microsoft's software development strategy has done just that. With Vista it feels to me like Microsoft has taken XP, created a long list of neat things that should be in there, narrowed it down (a lot), and then assigned a single individual task or feature to a separate developer. Then, when the work is done by each developer, it is all compiled into a new operating system and, ta da, you've got Vista. NOTHING MESHES. Everything is separate, like the pieces of 100 different cloud puzzles thrown together to create a single picture. You've got something whole, yeah, and it might work...but it doesn't flow together. Everything is disjointed, and the easy work flow from third-party application to built-in feature to etc etc just doesn't exist.

That's one reason I don't like Vista. I could write many more, I'm sure, but you'd end up reading quite a bit. Take it as you will, and I'll stick with XP until UGS NX5 and SolidWorks are converted for native Mac use.
 

DoFoT9

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Jun 11, 2007
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^^that is.. like the perfect sum up of the vista UI!!! that really typifies how much that vista isnt user friendly. i completely agree with your point here, however i dont think they just 'meshed' it all together. they must have thought about it really really deeply to get it to how it looks now, even if it is a peice of poo!
 

RainCityMacFan

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Jun 10, 2007
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^^that is.. like the perfect sum up of the vista UI!!! that really typifies how much that vista isnt user friendly. i completely agree with your point here, however i dont think they just 'meshed' it all together. they must have thought about it really really deeply to get it to how it looks now, even if it is a peice of poo!

Even if it's all separate.. The least they could've done is to make it so it takes advantage of the hardware w/o having it hog it all.. Vista Home Prem (32bit) requires 2GB of RAM for full feature as well to work while using all the features.
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
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Even if it's all separate.. The least they could've done is to make it so it takes advantage of the hardware w/o having it hog it all.. Vista Home Prem (32bit) requires 2GB of RAM for full feature as well to work while using all the features.

good point. but remember, leopard will need 1gb of ram to run. the most thing that ihate about vista is that u need (quite a good) gpu to reek the 'benefits' of the OS. even tho aero looks disgusting, you still need something quite high too see the full features.

quite disappointing.
 

RainCityMacFan

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Jun 10, 2007
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good point. but remember, leopard will need 1gb of ram to run. the most thing that ihate about vista is that u need (quite a good) gpu to reek the 'benefits' of the OS. even tho aero looks disgusting, you still need something quite high too see the full features.

quite disappointing.

I thought it was 512mb to do the basic things... But at least it will take advantage of more powerful CPU by using 64bit in one version.. Unlike Window Vista where there are separate version of 32bit and 64bit.. Wow.. That makes Window Vista an eight choice OS, unless Ultimate has both 32 and 64-bit.

No... Flip3D definitely looks cool... However when you have a lot of folders/windows/applications open and all in different sizes, then it starts to look ugly and pisses me off. Not to mention the show desktop icon is on the bottom of the task bar, why not just make it a key on the keyboard?

Yet Flip3D has nothing on Expose when it comes to getting the job done right.
 

DoFoT9

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Jun 11, 2007
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I thought it was 512mb to do the basic things... But at least it will take advantage of more powerful CPU by using 64bit in one version.. Unlike Window Vista where there are separate version of 32bit and 64bit.. Wow.. That makes Window Vista an eight choice OS, unless Ultimate has both 32 and 64-bit.

ultimate is both 32/64-bit.
leopard will run on a g4 pretty sweet, maybe might struggle a bit on lower end quicksilvers, but none the less you may be correct that it will run off 512mb.

i dont think you would notice such an increase from 32-bit to 64-bit. for full functionality all the apps will have to be 64-bit aswell, to reek the full benefits. i dont really even kno what the benefits are... could someone outline them??

P.S. wat r u on lol?? where did flipp3d come from!?!?!
 

contoursvt

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Jul 22, 2005
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I cant seem to recall Vista requiring 2 Gigabytes of RAM. It may be recommended but not required. If you do have some documentation, I'd be interested in checking it out. I've run Vista ultimate on a P4 3Ghz with a 9800pro, 80GB drive and 1GB RAM and it was quite good...


Even if it's all separate.. The least they could've done is to make it so it takes advantage of the hardware w/o having it hog it all.. Vista Home Prem (32bit) requires 2GB of RAM for full feature as well to work while using all the features.
 

RainCityMacFan

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Jun 10, 2007
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ultimate is both 32/64-bit.
leopard will run on a g4 pretty sweet, maybe might struggle a bit on lower end quicksilvers, but none the less you may be correct that it will run off 512mb.

i dont think you would notice such an increase from 32-bit to 64-bit. for full functionality all the apps will have to be 64-bit aswell, to reek the full benefits. i dont really even kno what the benefits are... could someone outline them??

P.S. wat r u on lol?? where did flipp3d come from!?!?!

Flip3D is Microsoft's piss poor job of trying to get a desktop function like Expose while trying to be "innovative".

I cant seem to recall Vista requiring 2 Gigabytes of RAM. It may be recommended but not required. If you do have some documentation, I'd be interested in checking it out. I've run Vista ultimate on a P4 3Ghz with a 9800pro, 80GB drive and 1GB RAM and it was quite good...


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Originally Posted by KJmoon117 View Post
Even if it's all separate.. The least they could've done is to make it so it takes advantage of the hardware w/o having it hog it all.. Vista Home Prem (32bit) requires 2GB of RAM for full feature as well to work while using all the features.

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Yep you are right, Windows Vista recommends 1GB of RAM for their OS. However I don't think 1GB is enough to take full advantage of Aero, Multi-tasking, and DreamScene.

I say this is good use of Mac CPU management abilities.. I may be speaking out of my ass right now but I don't think Windows Vista is capable of doing this with the same hardware Mac OS X is using while retaining it's full feature, so leave that Aero on (Flip3D) since Expose can't be turned off.
 

QuarterSwede

macrumors G3
Oct 1, 2005
9,887
2,158
Colorado Springs, CO
as for the registry. the registry is so much more than a large preference folder, it has the ability to change hardware configurations aswell... hell,if i had a dialup modem i could overclock it using the registry. to me having all that power in one location (the registry) means that people can have direct access to change pretty much everything without even having to try.
The registry may be more than a preference file and it may be powerful but it also is Windows' Achilles heel. Too many programs write to it when installing (another Windows weakness) and create a huge registry which Windows has to read when booting which can take a really long time if you have a lot installed. Then when you want to uninstall something the uninstallers always leave crap behind which can be very hard to get rid of if at all. So then you end up with a slow OS after 6 months which you have to format and reinstall just to get everything squeaky clean and moving again.
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
17,586
100
London, United Kingdom
The registry may be more than a preference file and it may be powerful but it also is Windows' Achilles heel. Too many programs write to it when installing (another Windows weakness) and create a huge registry which Windows has to read when booting which can take a really long time if you have a lot installed. Then when you want to uninstall something the uninstallers always leave crap behind which can be very hard to get rid of if at all. So then you end up with a slow OS after 6 months which you have to format and reinstall just to get everything squeaky clean and moving again.

thats my point.. thers so much garbage in the whole registry thing. they need to change it. its kinda like that movie..diehard4. lol. they save evertyhing to the one spot and he steals it all.... pretty bad analogy i know. but u get my point.

because it freezes 8976534 times a minute..worse than their windows xp thing..

wow uve been using macs for 16days and youve already got that opinion!!! NICE
 

RainCityMacFan

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Jun 10, 2007
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The registry may be more than a preference file and it may be powerful but it also is Windows' Achilles heel. Too many programs write to it when installing (another Windows weakness) and create a huge registry which Windows has to read when booting which can take a really long time if you have a lot installed. Then when you want to uninstall something the uninstallers always leave crap behind which can be very hard to get rid of if at all. So then you end up with a slow OS after 6 months which you have to format and reinstall just to get everything squeaky clean and moving again.

thats my point.. thers so much garbage in the whole registry thing. they need to change it. its kinda like that movie..diehard4. lol. they save evertyhing to the one spot and he steals it all.... pretty bad analogy i know. but u get my point.



wow uve been using macs for 16days and youve already got that opinion!!! NICE

Well that is why in Windows Vista/XP/etc. there is no such thing as a full removal. If you ever get a decent registry checker then you'll find **** loads of program w/ your registry.

Not to mention it's not very user friendly to the average user so if you mess up in there... Oh ... But then again, that is why you back up your registry but, again, the average user doesn't back up their data let alone their registry.
 

Eraserhead

macrumors G4
Nov 3, 2005
10,434
12,250
UK
I cant seem to recall Vista requiring 2 Gigabytes of RAM. It may be recommended but not required.

The requirement is 1GB, but to be able to run any other applications you need 2GB.

as for the registry. the registry is so much more than a large preference folder, it has the ability to change hardware configurations aswell... hell,if i had a dialup modem i could overclock it using the registry. to me having all that power in one location (the registry) means that people can have direct access to change pretty much everything without even having to try.

The registry is the worst feature in Windows, after installing lots of applications in becomes corrupt and stops working, it also makes it too easy to disable/change important settings just by changing registry keys.
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
17,586
100
London, United Kingdom
Well that is why in Windows Vista/XP/etc. there is no such thing as a full removal. If you ever get a decent registry checker then you'll find **** loads of program w/ your registry.

Not to mention it's not very user friendly to the average user so if you mess up in there... Oh ... But then again, that is why you back up your registry but, again, the average user doesn't back up their data let alone their registry.
The requirement is 1GB, but to be able to run any other applications you need 2GB.



The registry is the worst feature in Windows, after installing lots of applications in becomes corrupt and stops working, it also makes it too easy to disable/change important settings just by changing registry keys.

the registry has got to be the stupidest idea ever. at least with osx (and os9) users are EASILY able to delete preferences from their computer. its not hard to find.. you can even find it in spotlight. do that on xp/vista...nuhuh.

another complaint..
startup items.
there are AT LEAST 3 startup locations on xp and vista.with osx at least u kno its gonna be in systempref>user accounts>startup.
with M$ it could be in a number of places, registry, your username startup and among others.
 

reflex

macrumors 6502a
May 19, 2002
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Where XP is tolerable, Vista is horrific and should be avoided at all cost. It's the overprotective nature that puts me off it, everything has a warning attached, the interface has lost that XP speed. Just not a fan.

Not trying to be a Vista apologist here, but...
1. you can switch User Account Control (the overprotective part) off quite easily
2. you can switch the interface back to "classic", which looks like XP
3. the speed of Vista has to do with the amount of ram and the installed videocard.

I have an Athlon 3200+ pc with a Radeon 9200 and 512MB ram. Vista ran terribly on it. I replaced the videocard with a Radeon 9800 and it improved a bit. Then I upgraded the ram to 1GB and now it's ok.

It's not all that much different from OSX in terms of system requirements. How many people will tell you that the GMA950 won't run OSX well, or that you need at least 1GB to run it comfortably?

If you're curious about Vista or OSX, there's only one sure way to know: try it out.

The registry is the worst feature in Windows, after installing lots of applications in becomes corrupt and stops working, it also makes it too easy to disable/change important settings just by changing registry keys.

I've never had the registry become corrupt on any of my computers, running Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP or Vista. So it may be related the the applications you run, who knows.
 

DoFoT9

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Jun 11, 2007
17,586
100
London, United Kingdom
I have an Athlon 3200+ pc with a Radeon 9200 and 512MB ram. Vista ran terribly on it. I replaced the videocard with a Radeon 9800 and it improved a bit. Then I upgraded the ram to 1GB and now it's ok.

It's not all that much different from OSX in terms of system requirements. How many people will tell you that the GMA950 won't run OSX well, or that you need at least 1GB to run it comfortably?

If you're curious about Vista or OSX, there's only one sure way to know: try it out.

dont mean to be rude or anything, but GMA950's run osx perfect. even a g3 imac 400mhz can run it perfect.

i would like to see you or anyone else put vista on an equivilant 400mhz 640mb ram computer with 8mb gpu. (i have this)
 

Eraserhead

macrumors G4
Nov 3, 2005
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12,250
UK
I've never had the registry become corrupt on any of my computers, running Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP or Vista. So it may be related the the applications you run, who knows.

On my PPC iMac at one stage I had over 100 applications installed, you could never manage that on a PC.
 

notsofatjames

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Jan 11, 2007
856
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Wales, UK
On my PPC iMac at one stage I had over 100 applications installed, you could never manage that on a PC.

Windows can easily manage that. Back in my windows days, my all programs menu went across 4 columns! I dont know exactly how many that was, but its more than 100. That was on a 24" screen, cant remember the res I was running it at though.
 

cloudstrife13

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Aug 13, 2007
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Vista worked pretty good on my computer, I liked it. Probably the best part about Vista over XP is a feature called Superfetch. Superfetch looks at programs you use often and loads them into any free memory without them even being open then when you go to open that program it is already loaded so it is extremely fast. If you open a program you don't open often it just drops some of the files it loaded into memory for that program to load.

Ram is much faster the hard drives it makes sense that they do this why have a bunch of free space of really fast memory why not use it? yes you need free memory to open other programs but it drops what ever it needs to in memory instantly.

On my new 24" iMac 2.8GHz (will be here today or tomorrow :D) I will be installing XP, I found Vista ran great on my last computer but game performance suffered, I would get lower fps then in XP.

I much prefer do all my work in OS X the only reason I want windows on there is to run games and XP still dose that best.
 
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