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Please continue to use this thread for discussing why iPadOS does or doesn't feel like a "true OS", however you interpret that.

I’m just wondering if the OS is holding it back and that is why people say it cannot replace laptop.

I’m wondering if the people want the OS to be more like Mac OS.

I don’t read any where people complaining windows is not true OS or the OS is holding it back or windows cannot replace laptop or read comment's that Linux is not true OS.

I wonder if windows, Linux and MacOS has running process and is disk file operating system than iPad that is app file operating system is reason and running process is handled by the OS than the user like windows, Linux and MacOS.
 
Yeah, I don’t think it would make sense to open root system level files on iPadOS with the way it works, so I agree with that. I guess what I’m saying is that in terms of UI and functionality that most people tend to use both for (organizing folders), etc., both are mostly the same, with only a handful of minor differences. That’s at least my opinion. 👍🏻

I don’t think people are asking finder to access root directory but to access program app directory and user directory. Has that what all OS of the 80s, 90s and 2000s did.

If Apple open up program app directory users could move MP3 files to iTunes or music app folder. Than iPhone or iPad that requires PC to move music around.
 
I don’t think people are asking finder to access root directory but to access program app directory and user directory. Has that what all OS of the 80s, 90s and 2000s did.

If Apple open up program app directory users could move MP3 files to iTunes or music app folder. Than iPhone or iPad that requires PC to move music around.

Never going to happen. Apple is wedded to sandboxing in iOS & iPadOS - it's a fundamental philosophy fully baked in.
 
I’m just wondering if the OS is holding it back and that is why people say it cannot replace laptop.

I’m wondering if the people want the OS to be more like Mac OS.

I don’t read any where people complaining windows is not true OS or the OS is holding it back or windows cannot replace laptop or read comment's that Linux is not true OS.

I wonder if windows, Linux and MacOS has running process and is disk file operating system than iPad that is app file operating system is reason and running process is handled by the OS than the user like windows, Linux and MacOS.
The difference with iPadOS is it’s designed with two constraints that those OSes do not have:
- smaller battery/thermals/screen size of tablets of various sizes
- easy usability for the everyday non techie person

So compared to those desktop OSes, it’s slimmed down and simplified, which means for techies who fully utilize desktop OSes, iPadOS will probably only ever be a supplemental OS. For non-techies, it’s more likely to be able to cover all their needs. But you won’t find a lot of them commenting on tech forums; you will find a lot of dissatisfied techies.

A more apt comparison would be to Android tablet software. I haven’t used that for a long time, but I think it’s closer to desktop OSes in some ways. But when I used it it was not as slick and easy to use as iPadOS. And battery life was bad. But again, that was a long time ago.
 
I don’t think people are asking finder to access root directory but to access program app directory and user directory. Has that what all OS of the 80s, 90s and 2000s did.

If Apple open up program app directory users could move MP3 files to iTunes or music app folder. Than iPhone or iPad that requires PC to move music around.
There are app and user directories in the Files app. But the apps are mostly file creation apps, things like that. Media consumption apps tend to not show their libraries in folder/file form.
 
There are app and user directories in the Files app. But the apps are mostly file creation apps, things like that. Media consumption apps tend to not show their libraries in folder/file form.
I was going to say this exact same things. Many apps do show their folders in the Files app.
 
I don’t think people are asking finder to access root directory but to access program app directory and user directory. Has that what all OS of the 80s, 90s and 2000s did.

If Apple open up program app directory users could move MP3 files to iTunes or music app folder. Than iPhone or iPad that requires PC to move music around.
Many apps already expose their “app directory” in the Files app. I don’t think that requires Apple to open anything up, since many apps already use it.
 
I’m just wondering if the OS is holding it back and that is why people say it cannot replace laptop.

I’m wondering if the people want the OS to be more like Mac OS.

I don’t read any where people complaining windows is not true OS or the OS is holding it back or windows cannot replace laptop or read comment's that Linux is not true OS.

I wonder if windows, Linux and MacOS has running process and is disk file operating system than iPad that is app file operating system is reason and running process is handled by the OS than the user like windows, Linux and MacOS.
1. Whether the OS is “holding it back” will be a very largely subjective thing, and doesn’t necessarily even have anything to do with the OS itself, but the app selection. For me, for example, Windows and Linux are “held back” because they lack several of the apps I use for my productivity.

2. Some people want iPadOS to be more like macOS, but many of them are not actually full-time iPad users… Many iPad users don’t want iPadOS to be similar to macOS in several different ways that iPadOS is actually better than macOS for many of us. You will never reach a consensus on this, because, again, it’s an extremely subjective thing.

3. Windows also doesn’t have the same kind of fan base as macOS, it’s a different culture. Most of the people who repeatedly make claims that iPadOS isn’t a “real OS” (whatever that’s supposed to mean), are content creators trying to generate clicks via controversy (in my opinion). It seems when you actually ask people who are using the iPad as their primary device whether or not they want it to be essentially just like macOS, most seem to think that would be a bad idea, myself included in that group. This seems to also be evidenced by the iPad’s great success and sales.

4. With most modern desktop OSes, the running process is managed by the OS, there isn’t much difference there as far as I’m aware. I am unclear what kind of a big difference you think there is there…

To be honest, I think this thread’s “topic” is far too broad and subjective. There’s no possibility of ever reaching a consensus, and you just listed off like 3 different things your wondering that should really probably be independent thread topics. Not trying to be too harsh or anything, I just think this is just a bit too unfocused and subjective in scope… 👍🏻
 
Many apps already expose their “app directory” in the Files app. I don’t think that requires Apple to open anything up, since many apps already use it.

Yep, the implementation is up to the developer. Some apps have an explicit Share folder that is exposed in Files (e.g., FileBrowser Pro), while others may provide access to all user data files there (e.g., nPlayer & Bluefire Reader), and yet others who have no interface to Files at all.
 
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I think the majority of complaint is actually about the walled garden of the Apple ecosystem. Apple is already forced to opening it up in the EU and it will have to do it for China and Australia too.

At this point, just leave the entire walled garden concept and/OR make it a user option.


The fundamental concept of "I own this device, and as its owner, I can do whatever I wish with it" Is violated when companies put arbitrary limitations such as Apple does with their lucrative walled garden, that mostly just serves Apples economy at the end of the day.

Furthermore, it is limiting in what I can run on it. Apple being the arbiter of what I deem necessary to run on my own hardware, is quite ridiculous if you consider it is YOUR property...


As for "security" argument... Apple has implemented secure transactions and biometric security on MacOS, so it isn't really a great argument. Fine, why not both? Let the user decide if they want to be locked into the walled garden... Just make it an option. Let the user decide what level they want to be "secure" and babied.



EVERY tech company just want to put their straw into everyones bank account and get subscription fees every month... SURE, it is AMAZING for you to make infinite money. However... How about just a simple no on that.
 
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iPad simply was never meant to be a pro device. It is mostly a good photo storage, browser and communication tool, can be even used instead of a phone when on wifi.

But it highly depends what you are doing with your iPad. With new USB C ports you can even connect pro audio equipment without dongles and make music in any app, either Garageband, Logic or others like Koala Sampler. Kinda fun not having to rely on conventional computer for that.

As for the future of iPad OS I think it will evolve and become much more open in the future. Not the macOS open but still enough to have better user experience
 
There seems to be lot people complaining about iPadOS that the OS is very limiting and lacking features. Some even say it needs new file system.

But in your view what is holding back iPadOS what features does iPadOS have to have to make more similar to true OS than limit mobile OS that is very limiting.

What does iPadOS have to have to make more like desktop OS than mobile OS.
iPadOS needs true windowed multitasking, full external monitor support, better file system access, pro app support (like Xcode), and fewer app sandboxing limits to feel more like a desktop OS.
 
I think the majority of complaint is actually about the walled garden of the Apple ecosystem. Apple is already forced to opening it up in the EU and it will have to do it for China and Australia too.

At this point, just leave the entire walled garden concept and/OR make it a user option.

The fundamental concept of "I own this device, and as its owner, I can do whatever I wish with it" Is violated when companies put arbitrary limitations such as Apple does with their lucrative walled garden, that mostly just serves Apples economy at the end of the day.

Furthermore, it is limiting in what I can run on it. Apple being the arbiter of what I deem necessary to run on my own hardware, is quite ridiculous if you consider it is YOUR property...

As for "security" argument... Apple has implemented secure transactions and biometric security on MacOS, so it isn't really a great argument. Fine, why not both? Let the user decide if they want to be locked into the walled garden... Just make it an option. Let the user decide what level they want to be "secure" and babied.

EVERY tech company just want to put their straw into everyones bank account and get subscription fees every month... SURE, it is AMAZING for you to make infinite money. However... How about just a simple no on that.
I completely disagree with that. Many people specifically buy iPhones and iPads because of the extra security provided with what you call “restrictions”. App sideloading causes all kinds of security hazards, and most reputable developers will use the App Store anyways, so the “benefits” don’t really add up there. Essentially you just get the ability to install malware, something most people don’t want to do…

Second, the “Mac doesn’t have it, so it must be safe to not have it” argument doesn’t hold up. MacOS is a different OS, for one, and iOS/iPadOS are more lucrative targets with more sensitive personal data such as location data, banking apps, etc. Many people handle these things on their iPhone or iPad, but not on their Mac, as they would have to use a website to access their bank (far less secure than an app), and Macs are stationary, more static devices. So people don’t tend to keep installing as much software on Macs, they install what they need initially, and then things level out more. With iPhones, people are far more often installing new apps. And that’s not just my heresay, that’s direct from the source from Apple, who of all people should have a pretty good handle on how people are using the devices they sell…

The bottom line is, removing these safeguards would result in far more fraud and malware, and not really end up benefiting customers in the end. We haven’t seen any sudden boom in small developers making apps only sideloaded on iOS in any of the places sideloading has been supported. All we’ve seen is a handful of big multi-million dollar software companies talking about using it so they can cheapskate and make customers have to go to extra hassle to install their software if they need or want to…. Sideloaded apps don’t really end up benefiting customers/users, and they don’t even really benefit most Indy developers anymore either, as it’s more difficult and expensive to host your own website, payment system, etc. then just using Apple’s App Store system. So basically the only ones to benefit from removing such safeguards and forcing consumers to sideload their apps are either big businesses too greedy to pay Apple’s App Store commission, fraudulent apps that want to steal your data, money, etc., illegal apps that pirate content or distribute illegal materials, or “reputable” apps that want to bypass the App Store review process so they can try to mine more of your personal data without the protections the review process and Apple’s App Store guidelines provides. There is no benefit to the end user from having to sideload an app vs downloading it from the App Store. And there are definitely cons. App updates aren’t managed in one place as they are in the App Store, which is far less convenient. Apps aren’t reviewed to verify they follow Apple’s security guidelines, which means they could be trying to mine your data in ways that Apple’s App Store protects you from. They could very easily be fraudulent apps, or contain malware. All I see are tons of cons to normal consumers, and zero benefits. Again, the only ones who benefit from such a system are some greedy developers, people who want to commit fraud, and people who want to steal your data…
 
I think the majority of complaint is actually about the walled garden of the Apple ecosystem. Apple is already forced to opening it up in the EU and it will have to do it for China and Australia too.

At this point, just leave the entire walled garden concept and/OR make it a user option.


The fundamental concept of "I own this device, and as its owner, I can do whatever I wish with it" Is violated when companies put arbitrary limitations such as Apple does with their lucrative walled garden, that mostly just serves Apples economy at the end of the day.

Furthermore, it is limiting in what I can run on it. Apple being the arbiter of what I deem necessary to run on my own hardware, is quite ridiculous if you consider it is YOUR property...


As for "security" argument... Apple has implemented secure transactions and biometric security on MacOS, so it isn't really a great argument. Fine, why not both? Let the user decide if they want to be locked into the walled garden... Just make it an option. Let the user decide what level they want to be "secure" and babied.



EVERY tech company just want to put their straw into everyones bank account and get subscription fees every month... SURE, it is AMAZING for you to make infinite money. However... How about just a simple no on that.
Anyone who thinks a walled garden should be optional doesn’t really understand a walled garden. It would be like having a gated community and putting open communities around it with unguarded open gates leading to them. The gated community is not effectively gated anymore.

And you are allowed to do whatever you want with your device. You’re free to hack it to be whatever you want, to the best of your abilities, just like you can hack an IKEA cutting board into a shelf. What you’re actually demanding is for Apple to help you and make the device into what you want it to be or easier to hack. You should then demand the same of your Samsung smart fridge, your PS5, and your Texas Instruments calculator.
 
Happy now?

An Entirely New Powerful and Intuitive Windowing System

iPadOS 26 introduces powerful new features that help users work with, control, organize, and switch between app windows — all while maintaining the immediacy and simplicity that iPad users expect. The new windowing system lets users fluidly resize app windows, place them exactly where they want, and open even more windows at once.

Familiar window controls allow users to seamlessly close, minimize, resize, or tile their windows. Window tiling is designed for the unique capabilities of iPad, and enables users to arrange their windows with a simple flick. If a user previously resized an app, it opens back in the exact same size and position when they open it again. With Exposé, users can quickly see all their open windows spread out, helping them easily switch to the one they need. The new windowing system works great with Stage Manager for those who want to group their windows into distinct stages, and with an external display for those who want even more space to work across their apps.2

Powerful New Ways to Work with Files

iPadOS 26 introduces powerful new ways to manage, access, and edit files. An enhanced Files app with an updated List view allows users to see more of their document details in resizable columns and collapsible folders. To make folders easier to identify at a glance, Files also offers folder customization options that include custom colors, icons, and emoji that sync across devices. For quicker access, users can now drag any folder from the Files app right into the Dock. Additionally, users can set a default app for opening specific files or file types.
 
Happy now?

Almost, now we only need better apps. Like a fully fledged Office. Windowing and Files apps has never been the issue for me but the lack of desktop grade apps has. iPads are good for some tasks and Mac on others.
 
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These multiwindow features were already in System 7.5, 1998. And actually that system had a true Finder and desktop and far better file management unlike iPadOS 26 which has even less funtionality than 1995 OS.
 
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These multiwindow features were already in System 7.5, 1998. And actually that system had a true Finder and desktop and far better file management unlike iPadOS 26 which has even less funtionality than 1995 OS.
Yeah, then why don’t you go work on System 7.5 since you seem to love it so much, while we work on iPadOS and are productive doing modern graphic design work, videos, music, 3D models/sculptures, writing, etc on our iPads…?
 
These multiwindow features were already in System 7.5, 1998. And actually that system had a true Finder and desktop and far better file management unlike iPadOS 26 which has even less funtionality than 1995 OS.
Why are you comparing desktop OSes to mobile? iPad/tablets have to work under more constraints than desktop computers. It’s like boasting that a Toyota Tundra is more powerful than a Corolla. Yeah of course. They’re made for different situations.
 
People make comparisons because the topic is asking for reflection on other operating systems. Notebooks run macOS too, so to dismiss iPads as mobile devices that need to somehow be different doesn’t fully work anymore.

I’m happy to see the endless mill of incremental improvements continuing to put out new things and am looking forward to having basics like preview finally arrive in product fifteen years after reveal.
 
Basically, my iPad is a nice-sized sheet music reader and occasional audio and crossword puzzle device. I could probably do with a cheaper tablet, but I suppose I do like being completely on the same ecosystem and security paradigm across my devices.
 
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Why are you comparing desktop OSes to mobile? iPad/tablets have to work under more constraints than desktop computers. It’s like boasting that a Toyota Tundra is more powerful than a Corolla. Yeah of course. They’re made for different situations.
Those costraints were real until 2020... Since Apple Silicon those constrain are a thing of the past. The larger iPads could easily run a desktop OS like MacOS with results similar to what a fanless Macbook does. My M1 iPad runs Windows 11 virtualised like a champ (thanks to 16GB RAM and hypervisor). This does not mean that MacOS is the right OS for the iPad, just that we now can absolutely compare modern tablets with thin and light laptops.
 
People make comparisons because the topic is asking for reflection on other operating systems. Notebooks run macOS too, so to dismiss iPads as mobile devices that need to somehow be different doesn’t fully work anymore.

Those costraints were real until 2020... Since Apple Silicon those constrain are a thing of the past. The larger iPads could easily run a desktop OS like MacOS with results similar to what a fanless Macbook does. My M1 iPad runs Windows 11 virtualised like a champ (thanks to 16GB RAM and hypervisor). This does not mean that MacOS is the right OS for the iPad, just that we now can absolutely compare modern tablets with thin and light laptops.
I was including laptops with the desktop OSes. They still have different constraints than iPads. People focus solely on the fact that they share a chip, but there are other factors. One being on how the chip is used at different clock speeds at different times and for different durations. This is connected to the fact that they are still different form factors with different focuses. Copy pasting something I wrote before:
They are both fanless but the 13” iPad Pro has around 40% smaller volume to work with than the 13” MacBook Air base, but also you have to factor in that the iPad’s display blocks heat from escaping one entire side of the device, and generates more heat instead. So the thermal capacity of the 13” iPad Pro is likely significantly smaller than the 13” MacBook’s. And the battery also has 30% smaller capacity. (The 11” iPP would have even more disparity in thermal and battery capacity.) These are significant differences in hardware I think people aren’t taking into account.

If you put an exact equivalent OS of the MacBook in the iPad, there will be major drawbacks, particularly in bulkiness and/or battery life. And this will be even more pronounced because the iPad is meant to be unplugged even more than a MacBook is.

Also you mention the larger iPad specifically, but that’s not a separate product line. Whatever works for the larger one (if it would even work for that) would also need to work for the smaller one.

The other constraint is ease of use for the everyday person. Apple wanted to get away from the complexity of macOS with iPadOS. They’re adding things back carefully, but if they add back literally everything then they would lose the simpler appeal of iPadOS.

The only way to create an equivalent OS in tablet form is to make a separate Mac tablet that would be significantly thicker and heavier than iPads.
 
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