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I was including laptops with the desktop OSes. They still have different constraints than iPads. People focus solely on the fact that they share a chip, but there are other factors. One being on how the chip is used at different clock speeds at different times and for different durations. This is connected to the fact that they are still different form factors with different focuses. Copy pasting something I wrote before:
They are both fanless but the 13” iPad Pro has around 40% smaller volume to work with than the 13” MacBook Air base, but also you have to factor in that the iPad’s display blocks heat from escaping one entire side of the device, and generates more heat instead. So the thermal capacity of the 13” iPad Pro is likely significantly smaller than the 13” MacBook’s. And the battery also has 30% smaller capacity. (The 11” iPP would have even more disparity in thermal and battery capacity.) These are significant differences in hardware I think people aren’t taking into account.

If you put an exact equivalent OS of the MacBook in the iPad, there will be major drawbacks, particularly in bulkiness and/or battery life. And this will be even more pronounced because the iPad is meant to be unplugged even more than a MacBook is.

Also you mention the larger iPad specifically, but that’s not a separate product line. Whatever works for the larger one (if it would even work for that) would also need to work for the smaller one.

The other constraint is ease of use for the everyday person. Apple wanted to get away from the complexity of macOS with iPadOS. They’re adding things back carefully, but if they add back literally everything then they would lose the simpler appeal of iPadOS.

The only way to create an equivalent OS in tablet form is to make a separate Mac tablet that would be significantly thicker and heavier than iPads.
It's not a matter of iPad outperforming the MacBook air (although I have no doubt than a M4 iPad pro running MacOS would easily outperform a M1 Macbook air even on sustained load), it's a matter of running the OS fine.
The new Surface pro 12" weighs as much as a M1/M2 iPad pro, it's thin, it's fanless, has similar battery life to an iPad and runs Windows. It's around M2 performance. The M4 iPad pro while thinner has better passive cooling than the M1/M2 and is more efficient. Would run MacOS great for a ton of people. Would probably run Windows better than the new Surface pro. Not that it should run MacOS or Windows. But these differences are overemphasized and often exaggerated to make the point that iPad pro should not run MacOS. Well, it shouldn't, but not because it can't. It can, in its current form, and many people would be more than happy with its performance. That MacOS is not the right OS for a tablet is a totally different thing.
 
It's not a matter of iPad outperforming the MacBook air (although I have no doubt than a M4 iPad pro running MacOS would easily outperform a M1 Macbook air even on sustained load), it's a matter of running the OS fine.
The new Surface pro 12" weighs as much as a M1/M2 iPad pro, it's thin, it's fanless, has similar battery life to an iPad and runs Windows. It's around M2 performance. The M4 iPad pro while thinner has better passive cooling than the M1/M2 and is more efficient. Would run MacOS great for a ton of people. Would probably run Windows better than the new Surface pro. Not that it should run MacOS or Windows. But these differences are overemphasized and often exaggerated to make the point that iPad pro should not run MacOS. Well, it shouldn't, but not because it can't. It can, in its current form, and many people would be more than happy with its performance. That MacOS is not the right OS for a tablet is a totally different thing.
I agree with this reasoning. A top of the line iPhone would also run MacOS just fine and none think it should. Must be that large screen (and price) of iPads that confuses people it should run MacOS.

Good apps are often the real deal breaker, not the quirks of an OS.
 
I agree with this reasoning. A top of the line iPhone would also run MacOS just fine and none think it should. Must be that large screen (and price) of iPads that confuses people it should run MacOS.

Good apps are often the real deal breaker, not the quirks of an OS.
Yeah, and luckily, on many fronts app developers have been improving their iPad apps and treating them more desktop class. Sadly Microsoft apps are the ones people probably run into problems with the most due to lack of features, but it should be noted that the Mac versions of these apps are also quite limited and stripped-down on features as well. Microsoft probably wants to lock Office to Windows to drive more licenses and hardware sales. 🙁
 
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I agree with this reasoning. A top of the line iPhone would also run MacOS just fine and none think it should. Must be that large screen (and price) of iPads that confuses people it should run MacOS.

Good apps are often the real deal breaker, not the quirks of an OS.
Absolutely, although quirks of an OS can make it hard to make some app perform as they would do on MacOS or Windows (and therefore deter developers), fortunately some quirks seem to have been addressed such as backgroup tasks (that is the non interruption of CPU intensive tasks). The RAM situation is still not very clear though....
 
I agree with this reasoning. A top of the line iPhone would also run MacOS just fine and none think it should. Must be that large screen (and price) of iPads that confuses people it should run MacOS.

Good apps are often the real deal breaker, not the quirks of an OS.
Oh definitely, remember that the 12” Macbook was powered by an intel M chip, which probably has less power than a current Apple Watch.
 
Absolutely, although quirks of an OS can make it hard to make some app perform as they would do on MacOS or Windows (and therefore deter developers), fortunately some quirks seem to have been addressed such as backgroup tasks (that is the non interruption of CPU intensive tasks). The RAM situation is still not very clear though....
Talking of background tasks here is a quote from a Federighi interview: "While tasks can run in the background, for example, Apple only allows apps to run workloads with a definitive endpoint, things like a video export or a file transfer. System agents or other apps that perform some routine on-and-off tasks continuously in the background aren’t supported." So do not expect things like cloud services like Dropbox syncing in the background....
 
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Talking of background tasks here is a quote from a Federighi interview: "While tasks can run in the background, for example, Apple only allows apps to run workloads with a definitive endpoint, things like a video export or a file transfer. System agents or other apps that perform some routine on-and-off tasks continuously in the background aren’t supported." So do not expect things like cloud services like Dropbox syncing in the background....
I’m pretty sure that was part of a 9to5mac article I read, not part of the interview, I guess I’ll have to look back.

PS, Confirmed these aren’t Federighi’s words, these are the words of the writer of the article at ArsTechnica. 👍🏻
 

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I’m pretty sure that was part of a 9to5mac article I read, not part of the interview, I guess I’ll have to look back.

PS, Confirmed these aren’t Federighi’s words, these are the words of the writer of the article at ArsTechnica. 👍🏻
Noted, but regardless I trust the fact that this is not just an assumption and that they discussed this with Apple.
 
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Talking of background tasks here is a quote from a Federighi interview: "While tasks can run in the background, for example, Apple only allows apps to run workloads with a definitive endpoint, things like a video export or a file transfer. System agents or other apps that perform some routine on-and-off tasks continuously in the background aren’t supported." So do not expect things like cloud services like Dropbox syncing in the background....
Would be nice to get some arguments from Apple. Battery life, which is not good under load, could be one. Is iOS having the same limitation?
iPadOS to me feels like expecting an adult to play golf at Augusta with a bag of cut down kids golf clubs.
and this is contribution what to the discussion?
 
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Would be nice to get some arguments from Apple. Battery life, which is not good under load, could be one. Is iOS having the same limitation?

and this is contribution what to the discussion?
So, maybe I’m misunderstanding, but I believe apps can ask the system to perform a task in the background, and then a live activity’s type UI element pops up allowing the user to grant permission and have it run in the background where they can also watch the progress and manage it. Again, maybe I’m misunderstanding, I want to watch more of the developer resources for that. But if my understanding is correct, then a background service like DropBox could request permission to sync in the background, and the user could allow it to sync and manage it with the live activity’s style popup. 👍🏻
 
iPadOS26 multitasking and background improvements are going to be a big and welcome, but also long overdue improvement for many users, myself included. Thanks to that update many issues on my wish list will be solved and required use cases will be possible, so I can finally use iPads - which were already my preferred device/OS combo - as my primary one. 🥳


What iPadOS is still missing - so that I can make an iPad Mini my only daily device:
  1. cellular phone support on the cellular iPad (Mini) models without requiring an iPhone
  2. NFC for contactless payments without my plastic cards or other devices.


What's on my iPadOS wishlist otherwise:
  1. Install Apps freely from wherever I want without requiring any kind of app store, just like it's already possible on MacOS, Windows, Linux and Android.
  2. full alternate browsers (and engines) that don't require webkit - for example Chromium's Blink and Firefox's Gecko.
  3. Apple Watch comparability and support without requiring an iPhone
 
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iPadOS26 multitasking and background improvements are going to be a big and welcome, but also long overdue improvement for many users, myself included. Thanks to that update many issues on my wish list will be solved and required use cases will be possible, so I can finally use iPads - which were already my preferred device/OS combo - as my primary one. 🥳


What iPadOS is still missing - so that I can make an iPad Mini my only daily device:
  1. cellular phone support on the cellular iPad (Mini) models without requiring an iPhone
  2. NFC for contactless payments without my plastic cards or other devices.


What's on my iPadOS wishlist otherwise:
  1. Install Apps freely from wherever I want without requiring any kind of app store, just like it's already possible on MacOS, Windows, Linux and Android.
  2. full alternate browsers (and engines) that don't require webkit - for example Chromium's Blink and Firefox's Gecko.
  3. Apple Watch comparability and support without requiring an iPhone
Full functionality Finder and menubar
 
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What iPadOS is still missing - so that I can make an iPad Mini my only daily device:
  1. cellular phone support on the cellular iPad (Mini) models without requiring an iPhone
Not sure what you mean by this. You can do VOIP with apps like Google Voice and any other 3rd party apps on the App Store. But the reason why this don’t exist has more to do with cellular companies than Apple, no cellular tablet on the market has phone support option.

  1. Install Apps freely from wherever I want without requiring any kind of app store, just like it's already possible on MacOS, Windows, Linux and Android.
Yeah, this won’t happen without the intrusion of the government. I’m curious what apps are you looking to have on iPadOS?
 
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Not sure what you mean by this. You can do VOIP with apps like Google Voice and any other 3rd party apps on the App Store. But the reason why this don’t exist has more to do with cellular companies than Apple, no cellular tablet on the market has phone support option.
Most cellular Android tablets can be used as phones
 
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I just stated that they can be used as phones with VOIP apps. But they are asking for voice (phone) support… that doesn’t exist for Android tablets. If so, I haven’t seen one yet.

I've seen Asus tablets in the Philippines that have full phone function with the built in SIM. Same for a few tablet brands I've never seen in the US.

I’ve had USB LTE modems that came with software that allowed me to make phone calls on my PC using the SIM on the modem.

The lack of native phone functionality for tablets for the US market may be more due to manufacturers catering to US carrier restrictions.
 
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I've seen Asus tablets in the Philippines that have full phone function with built in SIM. Same for a few tablet brands I've never seen in the US.

I’ve had USB LTE modems that came with software that allowed me to make phone calls on my PC using the SIM on the modem.
Yeah, there might be some outside the US. But never seen one sold here in the US… because I was attempting to use the iPad Mini as a phone awhile back. And going down that rabbit hole I realize (US) cellular companies are not allowing any tablet to be used as a phone.

But it could be a joint effort between OEMs and cellular companies… since fees are likely attached to it (and it would eliminate the chance of a consumer buying a phone).
 
Yeah, there might be some outside the US. But never seen one sold here in the US… because I was attempting to use the iPad Mini as a phone awhile back. And going down that rabbit hole I realize (US) cellular companies are not allowing any tablet to be used as a phone.

But it could be a joint effort between OEMs and cellular companies… since fees are likely attached to it (and it would eliminate the chance of a consumer buying a phone).
I am in Europe and here it's common. I had a Samsung 8" tablet that could be used as a normal phone, and several of my friends had similar tablets that could be used normally as phones. I guess in the US it's different
 
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I am in Europe and here it's common. I had a Samsung 8" tablet that could be used as a normal phone, and several of my friends had similar tablets that could be used normally as phones. I guess in the US it's different

It's not by FCC edict, it's the carriers in the US that restrict voice (not VOIP) on tablets; they're all data-only plans.
 
It's not by FCC edict, it's the carriers in the US that restrict voice (not VOIP) on tablets; they're all data-only plans.
That makes sense. iPads have never been able to make phone calls even here, but on Android cellular devices it's pretty common and most of those I had seen or had do have this ability. Although I doubt many would use any device that is over 9" to make a call.... And small Android tablets are rare, and cellular ones even more...
 
Not sure what you mean by this. You can do VOIP with apps like Google Voice and any other 3rd party apps on the App Store. But the reason why this don’t exist has more to do with cellular companies than Apple, no cellular tablet on the market has phone support option.


Yeah, this won’t happen without the intrusion of the government. I’m curious what apps are you looking to have on iPadOS?


tl;dr both are artificial limitations by Apple, not technological problems to solve.


I know about the VoIP workaround; however, I haven't found a reliable VoIP service without having additional costs where I live. If the cellular iPad Mini 5G could also be a "regular phone," as many cellular Android-based tablets can be when you simply put in an (e)SIM that would solve the issue hardware-wise. From the side of cellular providers and eSIM offerings, it would be possible where I live, unlike probably where you live.

I receive few and make even fewer cellular phone calls - low single digits each month - but I do require it being still possible/available. Unfortunately I also still get plenty of regular cellular text messages 2FA codes from services that don't offer alternatives ways (authenticator apps, email etc.) and they do not have competitor services I could switch too. I know this is a very niche use case however. Hope it becomes possible with a future version.

As for being able to just install Apps from anywhere if I choose to do so - it's simply down to having the user choice option and not being artificially limited by Apple. They do this, to protect their lucrative App store cut / core technology fee from alt-stores. There is simply no other reason why it can't be done like on MacOS (and all other major OSes).

One thing I'd love to have is a real alternate browser that runs on a different engine - simply to have the choice when there is a webkit security issue for example - or that allows different kinds of add-ons.
Currently, Apple makes it artificially difficult - by limiting not only the distribution, but even the building and testing geographically. Thus even the big players like Google (Chrome), other Chromium based ones like Microsoft Edge, Brave etc. (all with Blink) or Mozilla Firefox (Gecko) haven't been able to viably offer a real alternate Browser, since the costs to develop two iOS/iPadOS browsers in parallel are obviously higher, an inefficient way of resources and the possible user base is limited.
 
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tl;dr both are artificial limitations by Apple, not technological problems to solve.


I know about the VoIP workaround; however, I haven't found a reliable VoIP service without having additional costs where I live. If the cellular iPad Mini 5G could also be a "regular phone," as many cellular Android-based tablets can be when you simply put in an (e)SIM that would solve the issue hardware-wise. From the side of cellular providers and eSIM offerings, it would be possible where I live, unlike probably where you live.

I receive few and make even fewer cellular phone calls - low single digits each month - but I do require it being still possible/available. Unfortunately I also still get plenty of regular cellular text messages 2FA codes from services that don't offer alternatives ways (authenticator apps, email etc.) and they do not have competitor services I could switch too. I know this is a very niche use case however. Hope it becomes possible with a future version.

As for being able to just install Apps from anywhere if I choose to do so - it's simply down to having the user choice option and not being artificially limited by Apple. They do this, to protect their lucrative App store cut / core technology fee from alt-stores. There is simply no other reason why it can't be done like on MacOS (and all other major OSes).

One thing I'd love to have is a real alternate browser that runs on a different engine - simply to have the choice when there is a webkit security issue for example - or that allows different kinds of add-ons.
Currently, Apple makes it artificially difficult - by limiting not only the distribution, but even the building and testing geographically. Thus even the big players like Google (Chrome), other Chromium based ones like Microsoft Edge, Brave etc. (all with Blink) or Mozilla Firefox (Gecko) haven't been able to viably offer a real alternate Browser, since the costs to develop two iOS/iPadOS browsers in parallel are obviously higher, an inefficient way of resources and the possible user base is limited.
That’s absolutely a cellular carrier thing. Why would Apple take all of time to build such a niche functionality there are likely few and far between who ware for, when cellular companies wouldn’t even use it in their primary market? Makes zero sense…

App sideloading would open major security holes in the platform. Yes, macOS supports it, but macOS isn’t the same system and isn’t A. Built on the same security platform, B. Doesn’t typically house as much private data as an iPhone or iPad, and C. Is often the first computer used by children (who are far less wise about what they install from where, and would be easy targets for fraud).

Just because the Mac is stuck with a legacy system that’s less secure and less convenient for users (for example, many developers force us to have to sideload their app on the Mac, opening us up to more risk of installing malware, and then every different app has its own different way of managing app updates which sucks), doesn’t mean that every modern system needs to continue to work that way. App stores are clearly better on multiple fronts for consumers, and this is why virtually every platform out there offers one… They provide users with a secure place to install software, and manage software updates from. They also make it far simpler to find apps in the first place.

And consumers aren’t the only ones that win with the App Store model, small developers benefit too. It’s far more financially viable for small developers to make use of the App Store with the cheap commissions then pay to host their own website for their app, pay for payment processing services, and advertising for their app. It’s a win win.

The App Store model clearly seems to be very popular because of the many benefits it provides to customers and developers. I see no reason why we should take a step backward and regress back to a system that’s far less convenient and intuitive for customers, and puts customers at a pretty high risk of fraud and malware, and is far less convenient.

As to alternate browser engines, this would likely also poke holes in the system security. If they can implement it in an extremely secure way, then fine, I wouldn’t have any problem with that, but I think there would be a lot that would go into that.
 
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Yeah, and luckily, on many fronts app developers have been improving their iPad apps and treating them more desktop class. Sadly Microsoft apps are the ones people probably run into problems with the most due to lack of features, but it should be noted that the Mac versions of these apps are also quite limited and stripped-down on features as well. Microsoft probably wants to lock Office to Windows to drive more licenses and hardware sales. 🙁
Yes, and this drives me crazy. As a business user, I love Office 365 and would be a huge proponent of it. But I am certainly not going to alter my hardware preferences to run it. Microsoft would do better to create consistent, desktop-class apps on all non-phone devices that are capable of running it, and this certainly should include the iPad.
 
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