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HouseLannister

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Is 60 total cycles too low for device usage by now, since I got it as soon as it came out?
60 cycles in 90 days is moderate to heavy use. Battery is still rated for 500 cycles, I believe. Only the iPhone 15 series batteries got upped to 1000. So at this rate you will be around 80% battery health at 2 years after release.
 

Marswarrior462

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60 cycles in 90 days is moderate to heavy use. Battery is still rated for 500 cycles, I believe. Only the iPhone 15 series batteries got upped to 1000. So at this rate you will be around 80% battery health at 2 years after release.
I thought the batteries on the iPad and Apple Watch were rated for 1000 cycles too
 

bzgnyc2

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Not really a third option. The greater efficiency, is what creates the first two options.

At the extreme yes but it's a false trade-off in practice. Of course at any given time with the hardware technology there is a trade-off between capacity and size. However these have both improvced since the say the original iPad Pro 12.9" such that all else being equal they could make something both thinner and with longer battery life. This assumes the software is at least as efficient as it used to be.
 

RLRabb

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Yes it is. You just use it weird. I limit to 80% and the m4 11” iPad is my main device. If I don’t use my pencil or make videos on it, the thing lasts 2 days. But yea, I go below 20%.

In my opinion, you can’t complain about there not being enough battery when you personally limit the device to 60% of its capacity. That’s just silly. This is a tool. Use it as such.

I for one would love more battery but MUCH prefer the thinner size. Not to mention, folks with the 13” m4 claim they are getting 13-15 hours - at least that’s what I’ve heard. I have the 11” m4 and no issues here.

If you are using your iPad more than 8 hours a day… unless it’s your main work device… you probably should evaluate your screen time.
I’m on a 13” M4. I started with 80% this morning, have been web browsing for 90 minutes constant, and am now showing 73%. This is consistent with the battery life I have been getting in the 2 weeks I have had this model. I charge every 3 days or so.
 
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ignatius345

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Is 60 total cycles too low for device usage by now, since I got it as soon as it came out?
I don't think there's such a thing as "too low" or "too high" -- it's just dependent on your usage.

I've had my iPhone 15 Pro for about 11 months and it's got 329 cycles. But you could ask someone else and they might have half as many or twice as many.
 
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henrikhelmers

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My biggest complaint with the iPad has been that if I leave it unused for a week it will be drained. But turning off background updates seems to have resolved that issue.
 
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TechnoMonk

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The reason for these limits is I’m trying to protect my battery health. I don’t want my battery capacity to go down
There are lot more significant variables than just those arbitrary limits. Limits become more crucial when you are going to shut down the iPad Pro and not use it for months. There is no data that clearly shows limits extend battery health. It’s a guideline.
 

Bungaree.Chubbins

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Jun 7, 2024
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I DO! And yes, many people do. If I could trade my 12.9 M2 for a 13”, I’d do it in a heartbeat. If you pick them up in an Apple Store, you’ll see why.
I went in last week and had a look, that’s why I have these opinions! The 11” Pro is ok, but I don’t like the 13”. I liked both of the Air sizes better.

I accept that my tastes are in the minority.
Ok, let's do the math—that ipad was 1.5 lbs. The current pro is just about 1 lb.

An equivalent would be wishing that a 16" MBP today, instead of being 4.7 lbs, would be 7 POUNDS.

I'm sure some people would want this. I just don't think it's nearly as many who want the lighter tablet.
That’s rather a bit of false equivalence. How does wanting a slightly sturdier iPad with better battery life equate to me wanting supersized MacBooks?

I have a 14”, and there’s not much I’d like to change on it! In fact, some people are already claiming that they’re too fat, but I like the current thickness.

My point in referencing the 1st gen is that iPads feel a whole lot more flimsy now, and I don’t like that. It’s not an attack on other people liking thin iPads!
 

Minghold

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Oct 21, 2022
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And weight. Or rather, less of it.
Speaking of making portable things more portable, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Minis have a market when I can pick up a 2012 13" Macbook Pro from a recycler for ten bucks, and it weighs less than a Mini, comes with a built-in screen, and is serviceable with a regular Phillip screwdriver. Clone over Mojave/HFS+, and done.
 

Bungaree.Chubbins

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Jun 7, 2024
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Speaking of making portable things more portable, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Minis have a market when I can pick up a 2012 13" Macbook Pro from a recycler for ten bucks, and it weighs less than a Mini, comes with a built-in screen, and is serviceable with a regular Phillip screwdriver. Clone over Mojave/HFS+, and done.
As fun as it is for us to tinker with old machines, and make them continue to be useful, sometimes it is nice to just have something new.

Also, since I already have a laptop that I really love, and will be my main machine for a long time to come, what I want from a secondary device is, essentially, a second screen that take with me, that I can use independently when I don't need to use a laptop, or in circumstances a laptop is less ideal, not a whole second laptop!

I do want to go set up my 2008 iMac again though. I have some old Adobe CS5 that I need to convert to more portable formats.
 
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sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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Speaking of making portable things more portable, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Minis have a market when I can pick up a 2012 13" Macbook Pro from a recycler for ten bucks, and it weighs less than a Mini, comes with a built-in screen, and is serviceable with a regular Phillip screwdriver. Clone over Mojave/HFS+, and done.

Size. And I don't want another laptop or a Mac.
 
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jwolf6589

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I have a fully loaded M4 iPad Pro here, and the biggest thing that’s disappointing about it besides the lack of Mac apps and OS customization is the battery life. The iPad has always been rated for 10 hours of battery life since the original iPad, but with the introduction of the M1 chip in the 2021 iPad Pro, since it resulted in a big battery boost in the Macs, it should’ve been a perfect opportunity to greatly improve the iPad’s battery. If the M1 wasn’t good enough, why couldn’t Apple give the M4 iPad Pro the battery boost it deserved? The M4 is a 2nd gen 3nm N3E chip built on ARMv9.4 architecture, which should make it more efficient. It’s the biggest chip upgrade since the M1, but instead, the battery life remained the same.

To make things worse for the battery (but better for battery health overall), Apple introduced a long-overdue toggle to limit charging to 80%. I keep that setting on all the time. The problem is that the iPad doesn’t even last 10 hours. Once you factor in the 80% charge limit, and the fact that it‘s not recommended to ever let your device fall below 20%, that brings the battery life of the iPad down to 2-5 hours, which is pathetic. Is anybody else bothered by the lack of battery improvement in the iPad Pro? Why doesn’t Apple want to give the iPads (or at least the Pros) decent battery life?
They sure have improved battery life for me!!!! 15 plus has much better life than the 13 as one example. Try using the older MacBooks with DVD drives and spinning hard drives. Todays Mac’s have a far better battery.
 
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Minghold

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Speaking of making portable things more portable, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Minis have a market when I can pick up a 2012 13" Macbook Pro from a recycler for ten bucks, and it weighs less than a Mini, comes with a built-in screen, and is serviceable with a regular Phillip screwdriver. Clone over Mojave/HFS+, and done.
Size. And I don't want another laptop or a Mac.
Minis are not "smaller" than laptops, unless the container you're carrying it in is a lunchbox.
 

Rainshadow

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Feb 16, 2017
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The reason for these limits is I’m trying to protect my battery health. I don’t want my battery capacity to go down
Soooo….

You don’t want the ACTUAL inconvenience of poor battery or result of usage - namely the battery depletion…

So, instead, you ARTIFICIALLY create what would happen in 2 years today by simulating poor battery performance by limiting it arbitrarily today…

In a hope that in two years or more you won’t have an impact on your battery as heavy as 80% (which is the suspected degradation in two years).

I mean… this just doesn’t make sense if you are complaining of battery issues today. Just use it.
 

Ctrlos

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Sep 19, 2022
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Unfortunately the Tim Cook era of Apple are obsessed with margins. In the case of the M4 its efficiency meant they could put a smaller, cheaper battery in and still get the same ‘10 hours’ as the previous model and thus make more money.
 
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ericwn

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Apr 24, 2016
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female with noodle arms here. the lighter the better

apple should just make a charging case with a huge battery for all the beef bois out there that need 20 hours of battery life. keep the design light for the rest of us

But there are countless battery packs already widely available.
 

toobravetosave

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Sep 23, 2021
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apple has really made its user base incredibly neurotic

you are almost certainly not meaningfully extending the life of your battery using the 80% limit.

if you use your phone for many hours a day (i guarantee many here use it 10+ hours a day) like many people you will slowly degrade the battery welcome to real life where things decay
 
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