people also forget, at one point, people said this same thing about steve jobs right before he was booted from his own company to put it plainly. look how that went
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Wait a minute. I "bash" some products, the ones I think that are poorly done. Can I not do that? But I praise many others. It's possible to have a variety of views.
One of my favorite products under Tim Cook's vision is the iPad mini 4. That is one of Apple's most cleanest and well designed products. No rubbish bands, protruding cameras, or smart connectors. Perfectly executed.
Deja' Vu SMACRUMON. This is exactly what I was debating the other day with you about Apple. Your inconsistent with your answers and posts with Apple, one post your praising them and the next your bashing Apple. It's hard to believe anything you post, being its widespread on Macrumors apparently. You set up your own thread for others to truly see your own inconsistencies.
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As for Tim Cook, likeable? Yes. Under major scrutiny? Yes. What is Apple's future? At this junction, I have no idea, as I've stated before.
I dislike the repetitions that result from careless openings of topics.
I do think that it's reasonable to repeatedly change one's mind about some things, or to change degrees of expression of emotion about one's mind(s).
That's an OK way to be.
I'd rather that, than an over-animated and noisy CEO. That combination of character traits would not inspire confidence.
I do think that it's reasonable to repeatedly change one's mind about some things, or to change degrees of expression of emotion about one's mind(s).
That's an OK way to be.
I'd rather that, than an over-animated and noisy CEO. That combination of character traits would not inspire confidence.
I have to say....I don't know what he was showing me from that video.
Lol. I agree. I saw this video before and Jobs talks the whole time mainly.
It's rare but true that sometimes a picture, a frame, a momentary subtle facial expression can paint a thousand words.
Here for example: https://web.archive.org/web/20050908014235/http://www.apple.com/itunes/ wait for the images to load, and you might see the face of someone who – at that 2005 moment in time – indisputably sat on a drawing pin. She's subtle.
Oh ic. I guess hidden face would make sense....It's rare but true that sometimes a picture, a frame, a momentary subtle facial expression can paint a thousand words.
Here for example: https://web.archive.org/web/20050908014235/http://www.apple.com/itunes/ wait for the images to load, and you might see the face of someone who – at that 2005 moment in time – indisputably sat on a drawing pin. She's subtle.
I think this thread is in response to the almost never ending Cook bashing on the main page.
My only concern with Tim is that he only knows how to play it safe - in terms of what Apple are doing right now, there's nothing that leads me to believe they're willing to take any real risks.
The lineup is basically the same as they've ever been doing, and Apple Watch was ultimately a pet project (probably much like Apple TV) that wouldn't have ruined the company had it failed.
I really think Apple need to start growing some balls and start making some seriously interesting new products. I don't think they need to branch into new areas - just make the areas they do exist in absolutely, unequivocally, the best.
The lineup is basically the same as they've ever been doing, and Apple Watch was ultimately a pet project (probably much like Apple TV) that wouldn't have ruined the company had it failed.
I really think Apple need to start growing some balls and start making some seriously interesting new products. I don't think they need to branch into new areas - just make the areas they do exist in absolutely, unequivocally, the best.
Perhaps, while he's fairly quiet on many of Apple's major initiatives, doubling down on the secrecy no doubt, he's very animated and vocal on certain social and political issues. I think he should spend more of his energies focusing on Apple's core pillars, then perhaps going on the Mad Money investor show.
I'm not inconsistent. When I see a product or service I think is terrible from a highly resourced company such as Apple, I make it known, just like I applaud them when something great is made available. I can both like and dislike aspects of Apple. I dislike iPhone 6/6s because it is a product that has many compromises built into the design from the exterior into the interior. But I support Tim Cook because under his leadership aspects of Apple have been great even though other aspects have been poor. I base my discussions on the merits of the items being discussed, I'm not an Apple fan boy but I'm not an Apple hater either. My comments are more nuanced than that.
"Quietly" - figuratively. (I.e. would love to see enthusiasm not solely in case of AW bands).
You have formulated the main idea. I share your view fully.
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I haven't noticed, but that's almost certainly because I don't closely follow those issues. Thanks.
Again, thanks and I'll take your word for it because I have no recollection of hearing him speak about watch straps. If I did listen to the Watch launch event, it was unmemorable. I read that stateside interview a few days ago (the one with a couple of minutes of him recorded, greyscale video) and that's about it. Maybe the only time that I have paid attention this year.
I'm not sure I agree. Tim Cook seemed to be the "right" person to immediately succeed Steve Jobs, and he did manage Apple by preventing Apple from imploding right after the death of Dear Leader. So what I am saying is that he was the "right" man for a transitional post-Jobs Apple.
The transitional (mourning) period is pretty much over.
But Tim Cook as a long term visionary leader? That's another story.
The main point: the op posted a video of Tim sitting and smirking. Now, if his smirking is indicating something...who can say? Tim himself would be the one who knows.
The Apple Watch wasn't a safe bet at all. I think it was a risky bet….. and it might still turn out to be a bad bet. We might discern its long term success after a couple more years.
My original contention was that you cannot make a determination that sitting quietly next to Steve Jobs in that video is sufficient evidence to state that Cook fully understands what makes Apple special and has a full grasp of Apple's core values.
There was a whole subtext of the OP's prior threads bashing many Apple products which is difficult to reconcile with the fact those very products were a result of the Cook's leadership and decisions.
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I'm not arguing with either of you..All I said was I think that this thread justified with the evidence provided or not is a reaction to all the Cook bashing on the main page justified or not.
So you would prefer an Apple watch with one band or maybe two bands? The point of a watch is to provide enough customisation to make it appealing and personal to the person wearing it.
Please see my justification earlier to help reconcile the comments https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-i-have-confidence-in-tim-cook.1987998/page-2#post-23244454
Tim has a great understanding of why Apple is special, he has been there since 1998.
My greatest issue, in light of no real reason for Tim to go, if Tim were to be replaced, I think we would see Apple become destabilised -- that would be worse than any little complaint I or others might have.
I saw that post, but given the tone, content and veracity of how you criticize apple, its hard to think you're not flip flopping and contradicting yourself quite a bit.
He may have an understanding of Apple and he may not. My point is that you communicated that you came to this realization based on a 4 minute video in which he sat there without uttering a word. To be honest, coming to any realization of someone's grasp of any topic of just sitting there is preposterous.
This is why instructors grade students on how well they interact in class (either verbally or in written form) and they cannot come to a determination that a student understand the material without feedback from that student. Like wise we have Cook who just sits there, but you propose based on that video you realize he gets all of apple's magical qualities.
Plus in prior posts you try to justify your position by saying issues that you have with Apple are not Cook's fault or decisions. But they are, as he's in charge of Apple, don't you think he's the one to give final approval of making a phone thinner, or selling a MBP with a haswell chipset in 2016? You cannot praise him for all the good Apple has done, and not consider him responsible for the mis-steps Apple has also done.
I agree to a point, his performance has been steady, but many people expect more from apple, not just more of the same.
Wall street would definitely react negatively, but if they had someone in mind to bring Apple to the next level, it could actually be better. Take Microsoft - Ballmer didn't do a horrible job as CEO, though he was a buffoon in many people's eyes (and he made some significant missteps such as buying Nokia), yet under Nadella MS has improved and flousihed significantly. While Apple is a different company and facing different issues, I use MS to illustrate that changing of a CEO is not always a bad thing.
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I never knew who Tim Cook was and for a reason... he was nobody. Many times in organizations you will see a "nobody" on top, easy to manipulate.