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ravipiero

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I think OP has some valid points here.

Unless you're going to root or install custom room, its better to go with OEMs.

For example if you choose LG G2 over Nexus 5, you'll get bigger battery, knock feature, multi windows, etc out of the box which is not available in stock Android.
 

MRU

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Why I think Nexus are overrated Android phone

It's the simple things stock android doesn't have that irk me, especially when we constantly hear of androids superior customisation over iOS.

Lack of ability to choose lock screen wallpaper and home screen wallpaper independently of each other on stock GPE/Nexus

Lack of any customisation in the app drawer such as user re-ordering or folder support.

These small but not insignificant annoyances make me appreciate some of the manufacturer skins / options and it bewilders me that Google has not implemented such obvious fixes to these themselves.
 

Technarchy

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I've only owned one Nexus phone; the Nexus S 4G, and the experience left me cold. Raw android is okay, but I prefer the options and look of skinned Samsung Galaxy phones. Plus Nexus phones always make some deal breaking hardware compromises.

Lollipop is quite nice though and I'm curious to see how it looks on the S6.
 

Ulenspiegel

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Folks…...........


You should all read a thread opening post a couple of times and you would realise he was saying re: microsd - that the Nexus was 'like' an iPhone in that regard.

Just strange use of grammar - he meant/should have used - not 'unlike' the iPhone.

However its easier to just read something couple of times than go to town and be a grammar Nazi ;) or jump to conclusions about the post and get it wrong :p (the majority)....

Agrees.
And by the way I like "garmmar Nazi". LMAO
 

bubulol

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Let me clarify some points:

Unless you are willing to root, Nexus doesnt have much benefits for basic android users
For same price range, you could get OEM's android phones such as Xperia Z2, LG G3, Xiaomi Mi4.
Among Android products, a slot SD card does make the difference for me.
I will never buy an Android phone without slot SD card.
Apple doesn't offer the choice. Like i said when you switch from iOS to Android, you will expect this slot SD card at least.
I had 64 GB iPhone and at that time, i couldn't find any phone with such size capacity on Android. Then i eventually bough phone with 16 GB + 64 SD card
In some points, Nexus having some similarities with iPhone
- No SD Card
- Clean UI and OS
- Constant price range
In the other hands, i cant advice iPhone owners to switch on Nexus, because a raw Android is somehow, disturbing to control
 

bubulol

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e.g on Sony roms, you ve got native battery life mode
on LG, double tape screen feature...
All those features are quite useful
Pure Android doesnt have any kind of features, still functional but it misses a lack of functionality
You have to download equivalent apps
 

IFRIT

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e.g on Sony roms, you ve got native battery life mode
on LG, double tape screen feature...
All those features are quite useful
Pure Android doesnt have any kind of features, still functional but it misses a lack of functionality
You have to download equivalent apps

Lollypop has a battery saving mode.
 

diamond.g

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e.g on Sony roms, you ve got native battery life mode
on LG, double tape screen feature...
All those features are quite useful
Pure Android doesnt have any kind of features, still functional but it misses a lack of functionality
You have to download equivalent apps

Lollipop has DT2W native, Google just didn't enable it across the board (for some unknown reason). Much like how they didn't enable Ambient Display (Active Notifications) across the board.
 

animalx

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For advanced android users, Nexus is only phone to own because its based on pure Android stock, you can root etc...
But i think Nexus range product are overrated, only personal opinions though
I give some reasons explaining why there are better alternatives to Nexus

- You does not need to root to fully use Android.

- Rooting targets advanced users, moreover rooting seems to be way more complex than jailbreak
Rooting requires some computer and mobile knowledge!

- Nexus 5 is great value money but has average specs (we dont care specs but photo/camera hardware is crap)

- Nexus does not have micro SD slot like iPhone

- When you see for the first time Nexus pure Android interface, its unbelievable lifeless, Sony, HTC, Xiaomi, LG, even Samsung, they all bring on table something new in the interface

- It misses a lack of features and functionality, Sony has Stamina mode, Samsung many, many cool features, HTC, Blink field...
Pure Android interface hasn't any of them, its blank of anything, not really ready to use.
Android novices might be disturbed especially if they come from iOS.

- Nexus doesn't have premium design unlike Sony, HTC, Xiaomi...
Even Samsung with Galaxy Alpha.
If premium design was your concern, go on your way, Nexus is not for you.

- While its own Android concurrence implemented very impressive battery life on their phones, Nexus always has poor battery life, average, barely better than an iPhone.
If you want more battery life that would last over 1 day of use, you might take a look toward Galaxy Note 2/3/4, Xperia Z2/Z3, LG G2/G3, HTC M8, they all have extremely good battery life.

- You have only tight budget and cant afford expensive smartphones?
For Nexus 5 price you could get Sony Xperia Z2/ LG G3/ Xiaomi Mi4/ 1+1
All these smartphones are within Nexus price range.
They are more specced, more premium design, more features (waterproof for Sony, 2K display for LG etc...)

- Nexus price never drops unlike all other Android phones which price decreases constantly during their lifetime product


Edit: i forgot ''s'' to phone in title thread, sorry moderator, if you could correct it

...After reading the original post, it seems this is more so a "Why I think the NEXUS 5 is overrated" thread? lol
 

tbayrgs

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It's the simple things stock android doesn't have that irk me, especially when we constantly hear of androids superior customisation over iOS.

Lack of ability to choose lock screen wallpaper and home screen wallpaper independently of each other on stock GPE/Nexus

Lack of any customisation in the app drawer such as user re-ordering or folder support.

These small but not insignificant annoyances make me appreciate some of the manufacturer skins / options and it bewilders me that Google has not implemented such obvious fixes to these themselves.

I agree to a point. There are quite a few great features and functions added on by manufacturers and their software 'skins'. (Moto and HTC offer some of my favorites). Unfortunately, there are also often many elements of some skins that I find less than desirable. I'd personally rather start with the bare bones and add on (this is the hallmark benefit of Android, IMO) than have to deal with the extra crap or elements I don't enjoy just to have access to a feature or two. In many cases, those same features can be incorporated with add-on and apps.

I won't disagree with many opinions though that generally, using a Nexus has also meant dealing with some sort of hardware compromise (never have great battery life, camera or display).
 

MasterRyu2011

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Aug 22, 2014
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Folks…...........


You should all read a thread opening post a couple of times and you would realise he was saying re: microsd - that the Nexus was 'like' an iPhone in that regard.

Just strange use of grammar - he meant/should have used - not 'unlike' the iPhone.

However its easier to just read something couple of times than go to town and be a grammar Nazi ;) or jump to conclusions about the post and get it wrong :p (the majority)....

Yes--if you looked at my post, I was the first to respond. After seeing the other responses, I now know what was meant in that comment. Either way, I didn't criticize his or her grammar. I think there was just too much pent up content there that we were all confused. Then again, that's another reason why grammar and sentence structure are important (I'm not saying anything bad about the OP; everyone needs to start somewhere)
 

gotluck

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I agree to a point. There are quite a few great features and functions added on by manufacturers and their software 'skins'. (Moto and HTC offer some of my favorites). Unfortunately, there are also often many elements of some skins that I find less than desirable. I'd personally rather start with the bare bones and add on (this is the hallmark benefit of Android, IMO) than have to deal with the extra crap or elements I don't enjoy just to have access to a feature or two. In many cases, those same features can be incorporated with add-on and apps.

I won't disagree with many opinions though that generally, using a Nexus has also meant dealing with some sort of hardware compromise (never have great battery life, camera or display).

Exactly how I feel, Google Edition phones were the answer for people that feel that way. Only the M8 lives on as GPE it seems. :(

Motorola is basically GPE, but the lacks the hardware bells and whisltes Samsung brings.. SD card, removable battery, ir blaster.. Or Sony battery life
 

tbayrgs

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Exactly how I feel, Google Edition phones were the answer for people that feel that way. Only the M8 lives on as GPE it seems. :(

Motorola is basically GPE, but the lacks the hardware bells and whisltes Samsung brings.. SD card, removable battery, ir blaster.. Or Sony battery life

It's a shame that the GPE program seems to be going the way of the Dodo. Getting the best hardware now also generally means dealing with manufacturer skins. Really wish most phones came with the option for either but I understand why they don't--added cost to support versions that really only cater to us geeks.
 

bubulol

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People choose Nexus:

- For the price? Like i said price never drops while OEM's phones do constantly
At the end, same price but OEM's phones are better overall

- For Stock Android? Like i said there is no real value for novice
For example, iOS is great OS for novice, everything is out of box
Pure Android is somehow the complete opposite

- For getting updates? Yes valid point here but most of average users and general public don't care about updates since most of apps and even Google services will be updated through Play Store

Some Nexus users don't get it the fact Nexus is only great device for advanced users
Samsung/HTC/LG/Sony/Xiamo/Huawei/Motorola target the majority of android users.
 

kenypowa

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Oct 16, 2008
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People choose Nexus:

- For the price? Like i said price never drops while OEM's phones do constantly
At the end, same price but OEM's phones are better overall

- For Stock Android? Like i said there is no real value for novice
For example, iOS is great OS for novice, everything is out of box
Pure Android is somehow the complete opposite

- For getting updates? Yes valid point here but most of average users and general public don't care about updates since most of apps and even Google services will be updated through Play Store

Some Nexus users don't get it the fact Nexus is only great device for advanced users
Samsung/HTC/LG/Sony/Xiamo/Huawei/Motorola target the majority of android users.

You have a point, just a very terrible one.
 

Quaranz

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Dec 3, 2014
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Aw hopefully this is a troll thread because you miss the point of Nexus devices by a long shot. First of all iPhones do not have SD card slots and unlike iPhones, Android in general have many options with many high end devices having SD Card slots, second of all quality is no problem, just look at the Nexus 6 with fantastic quality build akin to the Moto X which is a fantastic device, and furthermore Nexus run pure Google Android, akin to iOS in its vanilla form factor. Plus rooting isnt as complicated as jailbreaking. There are many toolkits like the Nexus Toolkit where you can easily install a recovery like TWRP, unlock the bootloader and root in one click so no difficulty there. And while vanilla Google Android might not have the bangs like Samsung, it has incredible smoothness and receive the fastest updates of any Android device akin to iPhones, furthermore they are incredibly affordable for the specs. The nexus 5 when it was released had the fasted Snapdragon up to date in the latter part of 2013 akin with the Note 3 sporting a Snapdragon 800 2.23 ghz with 2 gigabytes of RAM and starting at 349. You couldn't get anything better in that price point but that has changed recently. Just my 2 cents
 

bubulol

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rooting isnt complicated? lmao
I must laugh, show people rooting vocabulary and see how they react about this
As i said you spoke as advanced user, speak to novice about locking bootloader, custom kernel...
Rooting involves more than one click app, installing custom roms requires also attention, bug, incompatibility, soft brick, hard brick...
Jailbreaking is a thousand times easier and quick simple to understand the whole process.
You said i couldnt find any better device than Nexus 5 for its price?
Are you kidding me, i showed as same price range alternative like Z2 and LG G3, both have better specs, twice better battery life, many features which most of their users enjoy.
 

animalx

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Apr 1, 2013
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rooting isnt complicated? lmao
I must laugh, show people rooting vocabulary and see how they react about this
As i said you spoke as advanced user, speak to novice about locking bootloader, custom kernel...
Rooting involves more than one click app, installing custom roms requires also attention, bug, incompatibility, soft brick, hard brick...
Jailbreaking is a thousand times easier and quick simple to understand the whole process.
You said i couldnt find any better device than Nexus 5 for its price?
Are you kidding me, i showed as same price range alternative like Z2 and LG G3, both have better specs, twice better battery life, many features which most of their users enjoy.

Why are you stuck on LAST YEAR'S iteration of the Nexus? You DO realize that isn't even the current Nexus, right? ...and that much of your "point" does not even apply to the current gen... :eek:
lol, get out of last year.
 

Oletros

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Jul 27, 2009
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rooting isnt complicated? lmao
I must laugh, show people rooting vocabulary and see how they react about this
As i said you spoke as advanced user, speak to novice about locking bootloader, custom kernel...
Rooting involves more than one click app, installing custom roms requires also attention, bug, incompatibility, soft brick, hard brick...
Jailbreaking is a thousand times easier and quick simple to understand the whole process.
You said i couldnt find any better device than Nexus 5 for its price?
Are you kidding me, i showed as same price range alternative like Z2 and LG G3, both have better specs, twice better battery life, many features which most of their users enjoy.
No, it isn't, when you have a single click application that performs it it is not complicated

It seems that you're confusing rooting with flashing custom roms
 

skratch77

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Mar 20, 2013
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You can root a nexus phone in minutes as its completely unlocked from the get go...hello its a development cell for android developers.

You are confusing rooting to custom roming as it takes 10 seconds to root a nexus device.

Rooting allows access to the full root of the file system.that's it.

I can give you a rooted nexus and a stock one and you could not tell the difference.

Root allows you to write to the whole partition of the file system and that's it.

What you do after that is up to you
 

bubulol

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We have been mistunderstood,
Sorry for being confused with rooting and things to do after rooting, my own mistake.
Problem with rooting;
- What do to do after?
Is there a single website that does not use harsh technical vocabulary to explain whole rooting process?
I guess not, even on XDA, it took me several times to read again in order to fully understand it.
May i advice a Nexus for my dad who owns both iPhone 5 and Galaxy S4?
Even though i know more computer and mobile knowledge than him, i cant call rooting process as simple
Perhaps rooting doesn't involve much complication with one click software, that does not apply to the whole process.
 
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