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It seems like everything is based on a release date (firmware update for MMS). I know we all should have this capability now, but the wait was very painful.

Painful? You got to be kidding. You bought a phone that didn't do MMS and you were pained waiting for it to be added? Woah!
 
Why is everything with the iPhone such an uphill battle?? I love the phone and the functionality. However, everything seems to hinge on the next release date. My previous phone (Samsung BlackJack 2) was Windows based and a piece of cake to update or modify.

What uphill battle with the iPhone? Your previous phone obviously didn't add enough updates or new features to keep you from switching to a different vendor. That old phone is the one battling for survival.
 
I swear as God is my witness people will bitch about the iPhone non stop. It gets updated and people bitch about something that was left out that is available on other phones.

No kidding. I'd rather have the selection of apps than something mostly useless like MMS -- e-mail, hullo? I have used cut, copy & paste a grand total of maybe 10 times, which is half the times I have used the AP Stylebook app I bought maybe two weeks ago.

With the limitless number of features possible on a smart phone, Apple isn't going to be able to have the best of everything. It has the best media player, browser, and app store by far. Some whino will complain because it doesn't do something utterly stupid like MMS as if that's a dealbreaker. If you like a BlackBerry so much, go buy one of those pieces of junk. Enjoy your little scrolling ball that is so much cooler than a touch screen. Oh, you got the Storm? Have fun with jamming down the screen every time you want to enter a character on a text message.
 
I have some sympathy with the OP here, yes, we should all read the specs etc. before we buy any device, but it is so easy to get carried away by the hype. Having used the iphone for well over a year now and having gone through all the problems with 3.1, I find myself sometimes yearning for the days of WM.

Really? You seriously think this way? I used Windows Mobile 6.1 for over a year. I love it, it's better than RIM and Palm combined, in my opinion. But it doesn't even come close to touching the iPhone.

You had problems with 3.1 for how long? Two weeks? A month? The update was just released (3.1.2) and reports are out saying it has fixed nearly all, if not all of the problems.

As cool as WM 6.1 is, it is entirely unstable. Slows down and locks up for no reason. Soft resets were a daily ritual. Hell, when you ran non-native apps on the phone, it bogged it down to the point where you were forced to reset it. Closing out programs from Task Manager only seemed to help for so long.

So, I'm not trying to beat up on WM 6.1 or anything. I actually like the OS. I'm just struggling to see how somebody in their right mind could by "yearning for the days of WM" after the hiccup that was Apple OS 3.1.

/rant
 
Really? You seriously think this way? I used Windows Mobile 6.1 for over a year. I love it, it's better than RIM and Palm combined, in my opinion. But it doesn't even come close to touching the iPhone.

You had problems with 3.1 for how long? Two weeks? A month? The update was just released (3.1.2) and reports are out saying it has fixed nearly all, if not all of the problems.

As cool as WM 6.1 is, it is entirely unstable. Slows down and locks up for no reason. Soft resets were a daily ritual. Hell, when you ran non-native apps on the phone, it bogged it down to the point where you were forced to reset it. Closing out programs from Task Manager only seemed to help for so long.

So, I'm not trying to beat up on WM 6.1 or anything. I actually like the OS. I'm just struggling to see how somebody in their right mind could by "yearning for the days of WM" after the hiccup that was Apple OS 3.1.

/rant

Maybe it was because I never really suffered from lock ups or slow downs with WM, then again I hade very few apps installed and ahd a routine of soft resetting once a month or so.

I am not slagging the iphone, it is a good device with many advantages over its competitors, I just struggle with some of the stuff people say about it that's all.
 
I owned an iphone for 2 years, got fed up with the piece of cr*p and switched to the blackberry curve 8900. I have never been happier with a phone. It does all the same stuff and is faster than my iphone was.... even with only its EDGE capabilities. Once one see's past the glitz and glamor of the iphone is when the true phone comes out..... and I love apple.
 
One thing I forgot to mention, in my view by far the biggest contribution the iphone has made is to force the other players to raise their game, there are some really good devices coming now that I don't think would have existd if it had not been for the iphone - the HTC HD2 for example looks like it will be an awesome device.
 
Amen...i'm most likely gonna switch from the iPhone to something else in the near future
 
Everything is done on purpose. They left all the features out of gen 1 so that when gen 2 comes out, they are like OMG, WE FINALLY HAVE 3G AND BLUETOOTH AND GPS...and then new people buy it and the people with gen 1 buy it. Now with gen 3, they add even newer features and a better camera, OMG WE HAVE A BETTER CAMERA, VOICE CONTROL, AND SO MUCH OTHER THINGS. Then the same people from gen 2 move to gen 3 and they attract new people. It's an advertising gimick to get people to renew thier stuff. All of this could have been done within the first 2 generations...Apple's not foolin me or alot of other people.

Apple are not trying to "fool" you - they are selling iPhone, and they do things the way they do, for a reason. Think of this; imagine bluetooth file transfer had been available from day one, and NOONE had used it (improbable)... so all the whiners would say "iPhone has useless features, like the bluetooth... etc" - they would get slated for packing in a boatload of apps that were either redundant, or badly thought out & rushed efforts. At least with Apple, they take their time to do it PROPERLY (*cough* Nokia *COUGH*) and supply the features that their users ask, by LISTENING to their users.

Maybe that's true for dumbphones, but...

Other smartphones certainly do get updated. They just start with more and don't need updates to get camera, MMS, c&p, multiple sends and deletes, and other common functionality.

RIM puts out updates fairly often for their Blackberries.

Some WM 2003 smartphones got updated to WM5, which was a major change. And now many WM5 phones have gone to 6.1, and those to 6.5. Some of the newest ones will be able to go to WM7, another major change.

Android has been getting nice updates as well, as I'm sure you know.

Nokia has an application and OS update site, too.

Nokia phones are a pathetic joke - spray-painted plasticky, clunky, overflowing with useless, disorganised, badly categorised "features" that are difficult to find, and when, eventually, you DO find them, they are either total rubbish, OR are total rubbish AND intuitive AND take ages to load AND crash!.

Android?... another App store clone... with the usual utopian "Open source" nonsense behind it.

Really? You seriously think this way? I used Windows Mobile 6.1 for over a year. I love it, it's better than RIM and Palm combined, in my opinion. But it doesn't even come close to touching the iPhone.

You had problems with 3.1 for how long? Two weeks? A month? The update was just released (3.1.2) and reports are out saying it has fixed nearly all, if not all of the problems.

As cool as WM 6.1 is, it is entirely unstable. Slows down and locks up for no reason. Soft resets were a daily ritual. Hell, when you ran non-native apps on the phone, it bogged it down to the point where you were forced to reset it. Closing out programs from Task Manager only seemed to help for so long.

So, I'm not trying to beat up on WM 6.1 or anything. I actually like the OS. I'm just struggling to see how somebody in their right mind could by "yearning for the days of WM" after the hiccup that was Apple OS 3.1.

/rant

Vendors should just abandon Symbian & Windows Mobile altogether - I mean WHEN will they learn?!. They're trying to emulate iPhone with terrible clone apps, but they STILL don't "get it" - OSX and Apple's philosophy as a whole, is the reason for success, not just a pretty front end - the BACK END is most important. "A wise man builds his house upon a rock" <--- the Bible says, and this carries through here - pretty UI on SH*TTY OS'... which leads me to...

One thing I forgot to mention, in my view by far the biggest contribution the iphone has made is to force the other players to raise their game, there are some really good devices coming now that I don't think would have existd if it had not been for the iphone - the HTC HD2 for example looks like it will be an awesome device.

Oh look - it too, wants to be iPhone! :D.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/overview.html

It STILL uses Windows mobile - when will you people learn?...
 
Apple are not trying to "fool" you - they are selling iPhone, and they do things the way they do, for a reason. Think of this; imagine bluetooth file transfer had been available from day one, and NOONE had used it (improbable)... so all the whiners would say "iPhone has useless features, like the bluetooth... etc" - they would get slated for packing in a boatload of apps that were either redundant, or badly thought out & rushed efforts. At least with Apple, they take their time to do it PROPERLY (*cough* Nokia *COUGH*) and supply the features that their users ask, by LISTENING to their users.



Nokia phones are a pathetic joke - spray-painted plasticky, clunky, overflowing with useless, disorganised, badly categorised "features" that are difficult to find, and when, eventually, you DO find them, they are either total rubbish, OR are total rubbish AND intuitive AND take ages to load AND crash!.

Android?... another App store clone... with the usual utopian "Open source" nonsense behind it.



Vendors should just abandon Symbian & Windows Mobile altogether - I mean WHEN will they learn?!. They're trying to emulate iPhone with terrible clone apps, but they STILL don't "get it" - OSX and Apple's philosophy as a whole, is the reason for success, not just a pretty front end - the BACK END is most important. "A wise man builds his house upon a rock" <--- the Bible says, and this carries through here - pretty UI on SH*TTY OS'... which leads me to...



It STILL uses Windows mobile - when will you people learn?...

I wouldn't know where to begin. So I will just say this is a mad, raving ..... post. Apple has done allot right with the iPhone and App store, but it is not the be all and end all. You chose your name correctly "Glossywhite"
 
I wouldn't know where to begin. So I will just say this is a mad, raving ..... post. Apple has done allot right with the iPhone and App store, but it is not the be all and end all. You chose your name correctly "Glossywhite"

If you think so, then I'm okay with that. What has my name, to do with anything?. I think you're attempting to subversively flame me, just to let you know, I have noticed, but you have, and will, fail at gleaning any negative responses from me - I hope you have a nice Sunday :).
 
If you think so, then I'm okay with that. What has my name, to do with anything?. I think you're attempting to subversively flame me, just to let you know, I have noticed, but you have, and will, fail at gleaning any negative responses from me - I hope you have a nice Sunday :).

Thank you. I do not want to flame you. You glossed over some things concerning WinMob, opensource etc. However it is not worth picking apart.
 
Unless it's an iPhone 3G because then it struggles with simple animations that it used to have no problem with in the 2.x firmwares.

Just saying...


That may be, however it does not stop the app from opening, which for me is the point of activating an app. I could care less is the animation is not fluid, I want the app to open, period.
 
Windows Phones will most likely be easy to mod(unless you jailbreak)


As far as upgrades, my iPhone is 100% easier...I had the BlackJack(first one) and upgrading to Windows Mobile 6 was just a head ache
 
Thank you. I do not want to flame you. You glossed over some things concerning WinMob, opensource etc. However it is not worth picking apart.

The only glossing over, is Windows Mobile trying to put lipstick on a pig - IE, they put a "pretty" (?!) UI on the old & crappy Windows Mobile OS. Fact. If MS have failed for THIS long, they're highly unlikely to suddenly "see the light" as it were, and get it right. Garbage in, garbage out - their business is founded on copying other people's ideas, mis-interpreting them, and implementing THEIR copies, badly.

Windows = fail - ALWAYS.
 
The only glossing over, is Windows Mobile trying to put lipstick on a pig - IE, they put a "pretty" (?!) UI on the old & crappy Windows Mobile OS. Fact.

The word "pretty", & "old and ugly: are all subjective, different to each user so that part is not a fact. If a person who had a dumb phone moved to windows mobile, for them it would be a new interface.

I never had problems finding apps for windows mobile, in fact I have 20gig on 4 DVDs of Windows mobile apps. Somethings are easier to do on windows mobile. That being said, I still like my iPhone, and I am looking forward to next years model. If there was a windows mobile with the same form factor as the iphone, I would give it strong consideration. I did not have a bad experience with my WinMo phone.

Edit: make that 5 dvds
 
That may be, however it does not stop the app from opening, which for me is the point of activating an app. I could care less is the animation is not fluid, I want the app to open, period.

That's not what I said. I said that it struggles to open the apps smoothly now when the same hardware didn't have a problem with it on 2.x

I understand that the app still opens, period (as if I didn't know sentences ended with periods or something).
 
That's not what I said. I said that it struggles to open the apps smoothly now when the same hardware didn't have a problem with it on 2.x

I understand that the app still opens, period (as if I didn't know sentences ended with periods or something).

I know what you said Spaz, I never attributed apps opening as statement you said. I think the intent of the original OP is about user functionality, which "animations" is not a part of.
 
I know what you said Spaz, I never attributed apps opening as statement you said. I think the intent of the original OP is about user functionality, which "animations" is not a part of.

I'm waiting for a firmware update that makes my iPhone a joy to use again… oh wait… I already have it… it's called 2.2.1.

I'm staying away from 3.x until it runs like 2.2.1 did.
 
Well now.

Technology is moving so fast updates and fixes are just a reality, I think iPhone is the best invention next to the light bulb and the automobile, and I don't know about everyone else but I must just have one of the good ones, had the 3Gs since it was released and no problems or struggles yet ! And this is my third one ! I don't understand why everyone was so hung up on MMS, originally they didn't get into it probably because the E-MAil features are so rich they figured it wasn't worth it. And since it came out (MMS) I've used it all but once ! Although I could picture using tethering, but I don't think any other phones in the U.S. tether do they?
 
The word "pretty", & "old and ugly: are all subjective, different to each user so that part is not a fact. If a person who had a dumb phone moved to windows mobile, for them it would be a new interface.

I never had problems finding apps for windows mobile, in fact I have 20gig on 4 DVDs of Windows mobile apps. Somethings are easier to do on windows mobile. That being said, I still like my iPhone, and I am looking forward to next years model. If there was a windows mobile with the same form factor as the iphone, I would give it strong consideration. I did not have a bad experience with my WinMo phone.

Edit: make that 5 dvds

Windows Mobile has far more apps available for it than the iPhone does. That being said, there is only one good app for WM. It's the WiFiRouter.
 
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