it is a battery cpu/hog, that's why it was ok for them to say that for the iPhone. It is not as buggy as JS or Ajax, or html5 for that matter..
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Why is it ok for other Apple products to use Flash?
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it is a battery cpu/hog, that's why it was ok for them to say that for the iPhone. It is not as buggy as JS or Ajax, or html5 for that matter..
Because no one would buy macs if you couldn't see half the internet just because its the number 1 reason doesn't mean its happening all the time...but every time my safari crashes i am usually playing gemtower
So why are people willing to buy an iphone/ipad if they are unable to see half the net
I am one of them and can't figure out that issue lol.
I think it's arguable that this is a less scary failure when viewed by an inexperienced computer user (like my father). In the first instance they say: "Whoah, what did I do? Why did that thing just go away?" What's this error box all about?" They may even smack the iPad or think there's something physically wrong with it.
In the second case, they get a "where's my movie? I can't find that thing I want, just this blue lego."
When comparing the two user experiences, the first is much scarier to a novice user because it involves the process of something actively failing, which, from a new user's perspective means either they did something wrong or the device they're using is defective. Whereas in the case of the blue lego, the problem is externalized into being a problem with the site (the device remains crash-free). You could picture a novice user saying: "that Hulu site is so stupid. It's full of blue lego things."
Three reasons:
1. Safari for Mac OS has a plugin architecture. Apple couldn't reasonably break Flash while not breaking other plugins.
2. Even if Flash was disallowed in Safari, Firefox is available. So instead of having Mac users using Firefox(lowering Safari marketshare), Flash is allowed in Safari.
3. Once you have given, it is much harder to take away. If they were to simply stop allowing Flash in OS X, they would see a lot of backlash. iPhone OS is different, it didn't start with Flash nor was it promised.
With so many apps replacing the need for certain flash enabled sites it's not missed by many on the iPhone. The only site I can think of that I use flash on at this point is Hulu. Hulu is probably the most talked about site as their is no app to take the website's place. Flash is bad vs Hulu provides free streaming of shows Apple wants you to buy on iTunes debate will go on until either Hulu has an app or they goto a paid/subscription base.
Once/if Hulu goes to a subscription base service everyone watching it will change their tune anyhow. If the choice was pay for Hulu or pay for iTunes content it won't really matter.
ESPN website uses a ton of flash, but they have an app which covers all the content and video feeds I need.
CNN, NYT and ever major news outlet has an app that is FREE and provides their content to the iPhone and will do the same for the iPad.
On the MBP's, iMac etc... it's a totally different platform and while they may not like Flash, it's necessary as we don't' have free apps to provide the content of the websites on a full scale.
I just noticed Vimeo works directly from my Iphone. I tested CNN and the upsetting thing about no flash is the extra steps it takes. I am browsing their site, want to watch a news clip, and get denied.
Hopefully they will do what Vimeo is doing and convert it to the HTML5 needed so we can view their vids.
I just hope everyone steps up and fixes their sites so we can all enjoy them no matter what we are using.
Mac's have supported flash for ages, Snow Leopard was about refining Leopard, Leopard was about adding new features, how does removing flash support fit in with those? it doesn't.
People needed flash on their computers, and will continue to need it for a while.
But it's not necessary on the iPhone OS, HTML5 is much better.
People needed flash on their computers, and will continue to need it for a while.
But it's not necessary on the iPhone OS, HTML5 is much better.
I love this thread. The issue is broken down to it's simple arguments.
Flash on the iPad: No, but maintains it's the full web experience.
Flash on the Mac: Yes, as it's required for the full web experience.
iPad != Full Internet Experience.
Apple may give some prudence to the user experience, but their top priority is the bottom line. Flash on the iPad/iPhone means less apps in the app store, which results in less money for Apple.
Apple allows it on it's computers because Apple can't control what people install on Mac OS X. It's not locked down like the iPad. So if someone wants to buy a Mac and install Flash, that's their problem.
They don't control Mac OS X as tightly as an iPhone. You're pretty much free to do anything you want to full Mac OS X.
They don't control Mac OS X as tightly as an iPhone. You're pretty much free to do anything you want to full Mac OS X.
Wouldn't it be incredible to have the ability to pick and choose what went on your iPad though!
The very thought of "choice" just boggles the mind.
Because most of the bashers are from unexperienced people. Take any phone that has Flash (pretty much only WM and Symbian) and use Flash on it. You can get maybe 10 fps? It's not that great. And WM phones crash already from the bugs in the OS...had to restart phone at least twice a day.
iPad on the other hand...it's iffy. The iPad's goal, my guess, was to be in between iPhone and a slate tablet pc. I just don't know why Adobe doesn't rewrite the entire thing (it's a looooot of work, but would benefit greatly).
HTML5 will replace flash, it's better I think. I've tried YouTube in the HTML5 Beta, it's really good. It's like 5% CPU compared to 30-40% for a flash video.
You will likely be able to watch your Hulu and other video streaming sites etc... that play videos with HTML5, as YouTube is doing. At least I think.
I guess all we can hope is that after the ipad is released it will be so popular other sites will be forced to share their video via html5. I can see sites like CNN not wanting to lose viewers on such a popular product.
Well lets see, flash can take 80%+ of cpu power on a full power processor. Anyone wanna take a guess at what that would do to a 1Ghz mobile cpu?
it would mean spending a lot of money recoding the website and a lot of the backend, including buying new servers. they already have a desktop client in beta that's very nice
this year flash 10.1 is coming out and it includes hardware decoding on mobile devices that will fix performance issues. it already works on Windows, but Apple won't let Adobe develop it for OS X
I don't this is the case. Depending on how they are grabbing the video with Flash it may require mostly frontend coding with some backend coding.
"spending a lot of money" may not be true. I am guessing they already have coders on staff. Putting a few on the project wouldn't require additional money (maybe some overtime). Licensing could be an issue depending on what video format they decide on.
I doubt it would require buying new servers.
This is all speculation, but you nor I should state something as fact (as you did here.)
If you were really curious, I would contact Vimeo as they just released their HTML5 beta.
what would be the return on investment to get away from Flash? Adobe's tools are very mature making development easy. HTML5 tools would need to be just as mature or you're going to spend a lot longer coding the same functionality. and they will have their own issues, bugs and it will take the developers time to learn them.
if anything is going to kill flash it's Microsoft's Silverlight. and i haven't seen any games using silverlight. tens of millions of people use flash for games like farmville.
if anything is going to kill flash it's Microsoft's Silverlight. and i haven't seen any games using silverlight. tens of millions of people use flash for games like farmville.