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johnsterdam

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
 

russell_314

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
My mother talked about it. She told me not to sit too close to the TV or I would go blind.

Maybe it was something else she said that was going to make me go blind 🤔

Seriously though with all things it’s about moderation. This isn’t the first headset that puts screens right in front of your eyeballs.
 

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
Big difference,
with an iPad or iPhone, kids and adults, put the device too close to their eyes,(cross eyes) and myopia can become a problem.

With the Vision Pro your eye focuses on stuff further away then an iPad, and your eyes move more normally.
 

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
They didn’t go into it, but I suspect the detection for iOS/iPadOS actually came about from the research that was put in to the Vision project.

This is likely an area that will be discussed further at the actual launch. Though you may go fishing at PatentlyApple to see what comes up on the topic.
 

johnsterdam

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Big difference,
with an iPad or iPhone, kids and adults, put the device too close to their eyes,(cross eyes) and myopia can become a problem.

With the Vision Pro your eye focuses on stuff further away then an iPad, and your eyes move more normally.
Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.
 

johnsterdam

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My mother talked about it. She told me not to sit too close to the TV or I would go blind.

Maybe it was something else she said that was going to make me go blind 🤔

Seriously though with all things it’s about moderation. This isn’t the first headset that puts screens right in front of your eyeballs.
Sure. But I found it pretty odd that they talked about it for iPad, and are actively doing something about it, but didn't even mention it for vision pro.
 

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Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.
No, the focus field is probably about 5' to 10' or more away. The displays are going to be an inch or so away from your eyes. Hold something up to your eyes that close and you will see that it is impossible to focus that close.
 

johnsterdam

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No, the focus field is probably about 5' to 10' or more away. The displays are going to be an inch or so away from your eyes. Hold something up to your eyes that close and you will see that it is impossible to focus that close.
Ah ok, interesting
 
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russell_314

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Sure. But I found it pretty odd that they talked about it for iPad, and are actively doing something about it, but didn't even mention it for vision pro.
I think eye health is a minor concern when it comes to being glued to a screen. Before Tim Cook mentioned it I think the last time I heard this was from my mother decades ago. People are killing each other by operating motor vehicles while using portable screens. There’s all kind of mental health problems linked to screens. Sure it might’ve been kind of ironic that he mentioned this before the headset but it’s not like technology is it going to stop because there is a risk factor. The solution is don’t wear the goggles eight hours a day. I’m sure there will be some sort of reminder telling you, hey you worn it for 12 hours so maybe it’s time to take a break 🤣


Just because Apple is trying to address one aspect of a health related problem with technology doesn’t mean they’re going to stop making or improving tech. I guess they could do like most companies and pretend none of this exists but at least they’re trying to do something. All we can do is mitigate these known issues.
 

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Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.
Second this. The problem is also where the eyes are exposed to the (blinking) light, very close, surrounding the eyes and in long continuous duration.
 
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Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.
So how VR/AR headsets work is that the project slightly different angles to both eyes, which results in stereoscopic field of view as you would get with your naked eyes. Because of this and the lens array for each eye, you're actually focusing further in front of you than the screens physically are.
 

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I'm due for an eye exam this summer, I'll be asking..my doc already said to turn down the brightness (and blueness) on my devices, and not use for hours on hours, and most importantly hold devices off angle so the light emitted it not going directly into your eyeballs: think ricocheting.

I have 20/20 vision but need basic reading glasses for reference.

If you can afford to $3500 device, you should be able to afford to go to the eye doctor and have this conversation, and I don't mean this condescendingly, since this is your health.
 

Djken

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1.When you look at a screen, you automatically look a little cross-eyed

2. Blue light

3. The 20-20-20 For every 20 minutes a person looks at a screen, they should look at something 20 feet away for 20 seconds.
 

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
Personally I noticed this and found it pretty ironic (and humorous to me at least). ”It’s important not to have screens too close to your eyes. Now, here’s a new device that puts screens even closer to your eyes!” 😂
 

ThomasJL

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In the keynote, they introduced a new feature for the next iPadOS which tells you when your eyes are too close to the screen, because of the impact on eye health. And then almost immediately introduced the apple vision pro where you put screens a few centimetres from your eyes.

Why is no one talking about this? Or have I missed it?
Because they are Apple apologists who think Tim Cook can do no wrong. These are the same people who, as soon as Face ID was introduced with the iPhone X, criticized, belittled, and ridiculed people who raised concerns that having hundreds or thousands of laser dots shined into the eyes several times per day might cause damage long-term. Even if Face ID someday is proven to not cause long-term damage, those Apple apologists defend such things as safe from day one when there is obviously no evidence to prove long-term safety.
 

bobmans

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Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.
If that were the case then you wouldn't need correction lenses / wear your contacts in VR headsets. Your eyes are definitely focussing on something further away. This sounds weird because you know those screens are right in front of your eyes, but it's definitely the case.
 

Jensend

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There’s a thread in the iPhone section talking about iPhone health effects that was started 6 years ago with 8000 comments and rising.


It’s a sure bet that the Apple VR goggles will generate a similar thread that far exceeds the iPhone one.
Those goggles are going to nail countless people.
Tens of millions of people use VR headsets. I have not heard extensive complaints about eyestrain in any of the VR related forums I've frequented.
and most importantly hold devices off angle so the light emitted it not going directly into your eyeballs: think ricocheting.
This is stupid. The only thing that holding it off-axis does is reduce the light reaching your eyes by a small amount, because most displays have some amount of falloff in brightness off-axis. If you want that, you're better off just turning down the brightness of the display.
 

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I think it is a valid question, as our eyes are naturally designed to be strained the least when looking far away in a distance. The closer the object is to our eyes, the more we need to strain our eye muscles to focus and get a sharp picture.

I guess we will need to see how it goes when/if these devices go really mainstream and we start getting more user feedback.

When I get tired looking at my iPhone, iPad, laptop, TV, I can easily change the distance between my eyes and the device. This is obviously not the case with Vision Pro, unless Apple use a more advanced distance adaptive tech.

They could, for example, move perceived objects closer or further away from our eyes, similar to what happens during the optician’s tests when we stare at that colourful flying balloon, shifting closer and further away. I believe this is an actual test for myopia.

We shall see (no pun intended).
 

teh_hunterer

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I think it is a valid question, as our eyes are naturally designed to be strained the least when looking far away in a distance. The closer the object is to our eyes, the more we need to strain our eye muscles to focus and get a sharp picture.

I guess we will need to see how it goes when/if these devices go really mainstream and we start getting more user feedback.

Do you actually know how current VR headsets work? These headsets have been around for ages. Your eyes focus further away in a VR headset, so much so that if you need prescription glasses for myopia, you will need prescription lenses for the VR headset.
 
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teh_hunterer

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Hmm, are you sure about that? I'm not convinced. Surely your eyes are focused on the screens in front of them. If you look at a picture of a mountain on your laptop your eyes are focused on the laptop screen, not the hypothetical mountain. And same for the vision pro - it's not real pass through - you're just seeing a display of what the the cameras at the front are showing.

It shouldn't be on them to convince you. Apple hasn't just invented the VR headset. This tech has been around for ages and you could look up any VR headset to understand this. The onus is on you to look up the very easily accessible info.
 
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