Friends don't let friends install Google products.Wonder if Apple protects me from Google when using my Google services on my iPhone…
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iPhone 14 Pro Max Why is the iPhone still seen as the holy grail of smartphones?
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I tried the Apple route in 2012 with my brand new iPhone. Turns out lightning-based iPhones don't sync with PowerBook G4s, the daily driver Macs I was using at the time.
Oh yeah, I could export data from one place and get it on the phone. Which I did try. But turns out it is (or was then) a one way trip and any updates strictly stayed in iCloud. Which of course my PowerBook couldn't access.
So cross-platform services, which turned out to be Google, worked. Alternatively, I could have used Yahoo's services but that would have meant transferring all my stuff from Google to Yahoo. Annnndddd…Apple wasn't so integrated with Yahoo back then.
So, I guess I had to ignore my friends in order to get anything done.
So ... you tried to connect your 2012 iPhone to a 2001 Apple laptop, which couldn't support any of the new features because it was basically a fossil, and you decided it was Apple's fault?I tried the Apple route in 2012 with my brand new iPhone. Turns out lightning-based iPhones don't sync with PowerBook G4s, the daily driver Macs I was using at the time.
Oh yeah, I could export data from one place and get it on the phone. Which I did try. But turns out it is (or was then) a one way trip and any updates strictly stayed in iCloud. Which of course my PowerBook couldn't access.
So cross-platform services, which turned out to be Google, worked. Alternatively, I could have used Yahoo's services but that would have meant transferring all my stuff from Google to Yahoo. Annnndddd…Apple wasn't so integrated with Yahoo back then.
So, I guess I had to ignore my friends in order to get anything done.
Yeah pretty much.
You know why? Because I had an iPhone 3GS before that and it synced just fine. It had iCloud, including iMessage and it was running iOS 5 at the time. But all of a sudden, a Lightning connecter is the differentiator here.
I later learned that Apple had installed PowerPC software hooks into iTunes 10.6.4, but didn't actually write the code to allow syncing. Cutting off PowerPC was an arbitrary move, just like cutting off 40-pin devices with the launch of Lion was.
And unlike the here and now where I can install Sonoma on a 2008 MBP and the 2009 MacPro I am typing this on, there wasn't much out there. So I found my own workarounds. And one of those was Google.
But understand your dig at me only goes so far. Apparently I wasn't so upset with Apple that I just stopped using their hardware and went back to PC/Windows/Android. If I was half as angry about it as you seem to want to imply by your comment, I wouldn't be typing a response to you here and now.
Why is that? Oh, because Apple allows Google services on their devices. And Yahoo services and other third party services. When we get to the point where Apple says "All you can use is OUR services and OUR SERVICES ALONE, maybe we can talk.
PS. You assume it was a 2001 Apple laptop. I never said it was that. Apple made PowerMacs and PowerBooks up to as late as 2005-2006. I just happened to have a 2006 17" PowerBook G4 at the time. But a 2001 TiBook sounds more dramatic I suppose.
Friends try to inform friends that Google, Apple, and Microsoft are all essentially the same entity behind a dozen onion shells of corporate facade.
It's Apple's "fault" if and when it deliberately withholds (for primarily pecuniary reasons) a "new feature" (especially one requiring almost no processor, memory, or drive horsepower) from a "fossil" which is actually quite capable of running said feature.
Examples are numerous (and Apple is hardly alone):
* Users in these very forums running Sequoia on 2009 Apple devices via Open Core Legacy.
* Me running Windows 11 in a Parallels virtualization on a 2008 core2duo blackback iMac.
(Both of these represent considerably longer time-difference spans than 2012-2001 = eleven years.)
<nod> Lion was also a "sluggified" OS designed to run like crap on older machines which ran Snow Leopard just fine despite not seemingly doing anything to justify diminished alacrity. (I first became aware of this all the way back in the early days, when System 7 was a turd compared to System 6.)
As a GUI operating system, the MacOS is now over 99% bloat cynically in-place to justify ever-more-beefy hardware just to forklift it off the ground. Yet the code required to boot the machine and display colored icons and open associated apps would fit on a floppy diskette -- because code is *text*, which is minuscule, and I know this because it once did. To be sure, few of us would have any use today for a 9" B&W Mac, but said relic is nevertheless easily capable of the not-CPU-strenuous-in-the-least task of syncing files on the internet -- because that's just data-transfer.
The problem doesn't have to come down to the actual hardware not being able to handle some new feature.
The problem might very well be that once the user base of an old device is absolutely minuscule, it is no longer worth the effort to develop, test and assure the quality of any new features moving forward.
Even though the features might work, it's a bad idea to push them blindly without making sure.
I still don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. You were using outdated hardware that doesn’t support the newest features and that’s apparently Apple’s fault to you? I’m not a fan of Apple’s planned obsolescence, but a little research goes a long way. I don’t blindly buy things not knowing if I’ll have compatibility issues or not. I research everything I buy first. You could have saved yourself a lot of headaches.
My point is that Apple could have very easily allowed the iPhone 5 to sync with iTunes 10.6.3, which is the last version of iTunes to work on PowerPC Macs. But they didn't. Since they could have, the decision to do that then was arbitrary and designed to push customers to upgrade their devices. It wasn't a technical issue that they simply couldn't fix.
I won't be pushed, especially for specious marketing reasons and not technical ones. Yes, I could have done some more research, so that's my fault for not doing that. I learned from it. But perhaps not in the way you might think.
Yes, I do my research now because I'm going to find a way to do what I want in spite of Apple or any other company's decisions to the contrary. If it's something I care about or want and you (Apple) speciously (not for any technical reason) tell me no, I will prove you wrong or work around you. Thankfully, there are way more options for that now then there was in 2012.
Had I done my research then I might have found this out (no syncing with PowerBooks) and I'd have found the same workaround I eventually did, only sooner. But stupidly I made the assumption that because my 3GS was still syncing, my iPhone 5 would.
And yeah…again, that's my fault.
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I agree that Apple suck and I get where you're coming from. Just make sure to do research next time. I've been guilty of buying things without researching first. It's a mistake I don't make anymore.
Apparently, lots of non-tech savvy folks. Especially elders. Of course, the majority of us who are tech savvy could avoid those malware easily. It is, of course, nonsense to all of us here. But elders? Well...that's a whole different story altogether.
I live in the US and the iPhone is definitely not seen as the holy grail of smartphones. At least not with adults.
Same for me. I'm an anti-early adopter now, and won't buy anything (Apple products included) until it's have been out several months, at least.
iOS also ad blocker for YouTube such as in browsers and 3rd party YouTube client. Chrome on Android doesn’t support extensions whereas Safari does.
I use Vivaldi on iOS. When I was on Android a couple years back I was using Opera. If I was on Android now, I'd be using…Vivaldi.
I use Vivaldi on my Macs. My history with browsers is all over the place, but the one consistent thing is that whatever I use on my Macs or PCs, gets used on my iDevices.
You know what I don't use on Android? Chrome. I still have my Pixel, and I'm not using Chrome on it.
And guess what I don't use on iOS? SAFARI!!!!!
Oh yes, browsers running on iOS have to use the Safari engine, but I do NOT have to use Safari's UI!
As for my Macs…no Safari. Unless I am absolutely forced to use it for some reason or another. I hate Safari with the passion of a white hot sun.
About Chrome though. I don't hate it, but I won't use it. I prefer Google's services, but just like with Apple I don't have to use all of them.
Teo reasons.
1) I’ve been using an iPhone for the last 15 years and I just don’t care about gadgets anymore. When I need to I just buy the new one and move on. 99% of new features that are launched are irrelevant to me and I couldn’t care less about what the other gadgets (eg android) can do. Smart phones are a mature product and the minuscule changes are really not for me anymore.
2) Lock in. I’ve got years of data, work on a mac and have extended family on the apple eco system.
I suspect because the majority of the smartphone market is captured, most iPhone purchases are just upgrades. I don’t think the vast majority of people care about the intricacies between android and iPhone, or the new versions. They just need a new phone and don’t want to invest any more time on it (eg relearn another eco system).
That's Apple propaganda, and it not being "worth the effort" is beside the point when we're talking about deliberate depreciation of software generations by withholding kexts present in the previous iteration of the OS, kexts which take up nothing in terms of drive space. I.e., there's no actual compelling reason why the MacOS couldn't have been a seamless continuation of the Apple //gs GUI, which it still supporting every piece of software every written. (Wouldn't anyone blame them is an app requiring, say, an 800k floppy drive, no longer worked?)
It's as irksome as it is hilarious that you can now run the entire raft of DOS, Atari, Amiga, NES, and PlayStation 2 games and apps in the MacOS (with 3rd-party assistance), but you can't run 8bit, 16bit, and 32bit Mac and Apple][ apps.
The only thing keeping both Apple and Microsoft alive is that Linux still hasn't found its ass with both hands.
Really? All browsers? There's not Firefox or Waterfox or Brave or Greyjay available for iOS in the AppStore?
Use Chromium-legacy on MacOS versions Lion through Mojave.
There's Brave and Firefox. There's no third party forks of browsers on iOS, and all browsers use Safari's Webkit, so they are all essentially just Safari with skins. As for browsers that are actually worth using on iOS, the only ones are Safari, which you can download ad blocking extensions (among other things) and Brave, which has ad blocking built in (including the ability to add custom filter lists).
Except for the part about Safari being the only browser worth using, I agree.
In the past Opera has done fine for me, and now Vivaldi does as well. I'm not going to us a browser I hate on iOS and I hate Safari.
Vivaldi is good. Opera I can't recommend to anyone since they were bought out by a Chinese data mining company.Except for the part about Safari being the only browser worth using, I agree.
In the past Opera has done fine for me, and now Vivaldi does as well. I'm not going to us a browser I hate on iOS and I hate Safari.
Vivaldi works on High Sierra and on up. I'd prefer to continue using that. It's Chromium based so I can use Chrome addons and because it was designed by the same people who created Opera, I can customize it to my liking.
Possibly then why Vivaldi was created. One of the Vivaldi devs was a creator of Opera.