Why people go for Vega 48?

[cuppino]

I have an imac 5k 2017 i7 7700k and radeon pro 580 8gb.
In windows with bootcamp, at 1080p everything is played at high details.
I also have an egpu nvidia rtx 2070 8gb and in that case on an external screen also in 4k.
You can play very well on Mac.
I'm thinking of switching to the new imac i9 vega 48 just because I can sell my current mac at a great price.

 

[aman88]

I have an imac 5k 2017 i7 7700k and radeon pro 580 8gb.
In windows with bootcamp, at 1080p everything is played at high details.
I also have an egpu nvidia rtx 2070 8gb and in that case on an external screen also in 4k.
You can play very well on Mac.
I'm thinking of switching to the new imac i9 vega 48 just because I can sell my current mac at a great price.

Is it hard to get the eGPU working on the external screen in Mac OS?

 

[cuppino]

unfortunately in mac os I couldn't find an nvidia driver for mojave.
For now the egpu nvidia works only in windows if you have mojave.

 

[aman88]

unfortunately in mac os I couldn't find an nvidia driver for mojave.
For now the egpu nvidia works only in windows if you have mojave.

That’s what I heard... I was going to do the same set up with a new 2019 iMac plus eGPU plus external monitor with a Vega 64...

 

[cuppino]

That’s what I heard... I was going to do the same set up with a new 2019 iMac plus eGPU plus external monitor with a Vega 64...

I had to return the vega 64 in desperation!
In bootcamp I was always in conflict with the radeon pro 580 and I had to fight with error 12.
With the nvidia card it was all very simple instead.
On mac os all egpu amd are supported.
If you want to play it right I recommend an nvidia for egpu on mac.
For the job the integrated card is more than enough (at least for me)

 

[aman88]

I had to return the vega 64 in desperation!
In bootcamp I was always in conflict with the radeon pro 580 and I had to fight with error 12.
With the nvidia card it was all very simple instead.
On mac os all egpu amd are supported.
If you want to play it right I recommend an nvidia for egpu on mac.
For the job the integrated card is more than enough (at least for me)

The last computer game I played was Starcraft 2 and my current iMac could run it decently on medium... I don’t game on computers, I would just like the option to maybe later on... but what few games are on Mac OS would suit me well.

Then again with actual Pokémon games coming to the Switch at the end of the year...

 

[Colonel Blimp]

I had to return the vega 64 in desperation!
In bootcamp I was always in conflict with the radeon pro 580 and I had to fight with error 12.

At BootCampDrivers.com, you can get unofficial, customized versions of the AMD graphics drivers for Boot Camp that reportedly solve that problem, allowing the same drivers to be used with both the internal AMD GPU in a Mac and an AMD eGPU.

They are, of course, supported neither by Apple nor by AMD, but a number of users have reported success with them.

(They won’t support the internal Radeon Pro Vega 48 until June, since Mat HD is away until then.)

 

[kaintxu]

I have an imac 5k 2017 i7 7700k and radeon pro 580 8gb.
In windows with bootcamp, at 1080p everything is played at high details.
I also have an egpu nvidia rtx 2070 8gb and in that case on an external screen also in 4k.
You can play very well on Mac.
I'm thinking of switching to the new imac i9 vega 48 just because I can sell my current mac at a great price.

Which case do you have for the eGPU?

They are all like crazy expensive and then you need to add the graphic card price on top right?

Any casing recommendation?

 

[cuppino]

At BootCampDrivers.com, you can get unofficial, customized versions of the AMD graphics drivers for Boot Camp that reportedly solve that problem, allowing the same drivers to be used with both the internal AMD GPU in a Mac and an AMD eGPU.

They are, of course, supported neither by Apple nor by AMD, but a number of users have reported success with them.

(They won’t support the internal Radeon Pro Vega 48 until June, since Mat HD is away until then.)

I tried their drivers too, but it didn't go well.
Fortunately, with the nvida it works great in bootcamp.
I know that for now the vega 48 will not be supported by Mat, but having the egpu, it's not a problem for now
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Which case do you have for the eGPU?

They are all like crazy expensive and then you need to add the graphic card price on top right?

Any casing recommendation?

I use the razer core x.
From reviews it should be the fastest case and has a 650w power supply (also replaceable)!
I recommend it

 

[kaintxu]

I use the razer core x.
From reviews it should be the fastest case and has a 650w power supply (also replaceable)!
I recommend it

Why are these egpu cases so expensive, to the point of being even expensiver than the card itself?

I'm not really up to date, but how does the power supply they have affect performance and why is one better than the other?

Thanks

 

[adamk77]

 

 

[russofris]

Why are these egpu cases so expensive, to the point of being even expensiver than the card itself?

The egpu cases consist of the chassis, power supply, and thunderbolt-> PCIE transceiver. Breakdown is about ~$100 in raw costs + ~$100 overhead/shipping/markup/blah + royalties*

+ Even the cable needs transceivers at each end.

*I think I read an article lately saying that intel was dropping/reducing/opening the royalty thing.

 

[Icaras]

I would never buy an iMac if I want to game

To each their own. Other than Nintendo consoles, I’ve only ever gamed on my Mac.

Or just game on an XBOX/PS4/Switch. It’s nicer on the couch with my surround system and a wee dram o’ Single Malt anyway...

I’ll give you the couch amenity, but I enjoy surround sound on my iMac just fine.

 

[kaintxu]

To each their own. Other than Nintendo consoles, I’ve only ever gamed on my Mac.



I’ll give you the couch amenity, but I enjoy surround sound on my iMac just fine.

Tha's my boy Nintedo for gaming is the best, totally squishing my switch, something I would not do with any of the others. And yes, Mac is enough for me to play some LOL, HOTS, diablo and such.

 

[kaintxu]

Hi guys,

Have a look at this video.

Could someone with the 580Xrun any of this games (even if only fortnite which is free to play) with same game config and tell us results?

Also do you guys think results would be the same FPS with an i5 instead of an i9?

Cheers

 

[Cashmonee]

Hi guys,

Have a look at this video.

Could someone with the 580Xrun any of this games (even if only fortnite which is free to play) with same game config and tell us results?

Also do you guys think results would be the same FPS with an i5 instead of an i9?

Cheers

I have to say, watching that video really does make me wonder why someone would pay the sky high upgrade cost for the Vega 48. $450 seems an awful lot for the performance you are getting. At least with games. I would be curious about its performance vs the 580x in games and in things like video editing. Just does not seem worth the asking price.

 

[kaintxu]

I have to say, watching that video really does make me wonder why someone would pay the sky high upgrade cost for the Vega 48. $450 seems an awful lot for the performance you are getting. At least with games. I would be curious about its performance vs the 580x in games and in things like video editing. Just does not seem worth the asking price.

Well, that's what we are trying to find out here. Does the 580X allow you to game at 1440 medium-high decent enough?

 

[Glockworkorange]

I’m running a 2017 iMac with..what is it, just the 580? I have a UltraFine 5K attached via TB 3. Could I hook an external to the UltraFine, since it won’t drive the iMac? Actually, I might not have enough TB 3 parts, come to think of it...

 

[Cashmonee]

Well, that's what we are trying to find out here. Does the 580X allow you to game at 1440 medium-high decent enough?

Even if it doesn't, I am not sure it is a good idea to spend $450 in order to achieve that level of performance. At that point, I would really consider a gaming PC or console.

 

[kaintxu]

Even if it doesn't, I am not sure it is a good idea to spend $450 in order to achieve that level of performance. At that point, I would really consider a gaming PC or console.

We are on the same situation as always. I don't want a gaming PC as it's not all gaming I do, I only spend a few hours a week gaming, but want them to be quality time and I already game on my switch, for console, but some games are not available there or I don't like how they play on console.

I do appreciate your input, don't get me wrong, and I understand your point about the level of performance you get and the cash, which is why I'm still here as in part I do agree with you. The thing is, while the level of performance might not be enough, if the increase is substantial compared to the 580, making it a nice gaming experience, that could maybe be it?

 

[adamk77]

 

 

[Colonel Blimp]

Disqualifying consoles for various reasons, the way I look at it, $450 isn't going to buy me a gaming PC that can provide the same level of performance as spending an extra $450 on an iMac's GPU (* which has no upgrade path) which I will be purchasing regardless of whether I'll be gaming on it or not.

I think it'd need to be at least $1000 in savings for me to consider putting that towards a PC. A recent AMD Ryzen 7 build (including the monitor, OS, peripherals) I put together for a friend was over $1500 and it wasn't all that high end.

If I was going to use a Mac for gaming, I'd spend the extra $450.

There’s an upgrade path via eGPU, but it’s even more expensive and, for all the reasons I just posted here, a lot more hassle. A Radeon VII in a Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 650, for example, will set you back $1,100.

So while technically there is an upgrade path from the iMac’s internal GPU (which down the road could provide a welcome boost to keep up with ever more demanding games), I entirely agree with you.

 

[adamk77]

 

 

[russofris]

I have to say, watching that video really does make me wonder why someone would pay the sky high upgrade cost for the Vega 48. $450 seems an awful lot for the performance you are getting. At least with games.

To be fair, the cost of the Vega48 in an iMac is ~$900, as you have to buy the top of the line model (+$500 over base) in order to be able to select the V48 upgrade (+$450)

 

[kaintxu]

To be fair, the cost of the Vega48 in an iMac is ~$900, as you have to buy the top of the line model (+$500 over base) in order to be able to select the V48 upgrade (+$450)

Not really,

As soon as you upgrade both for a 512 SSD, the price is very similar. This means that where you are really paying a hefty bonust is on the Fusion Drive. Seems like the 2TB is like £180 more expensive than the 1TB (due to having a 128GB SSD rather than a 32£)

So without including the vega, the difference between mid tier and top tier is like £120 for having a 9th gen chip (9600K instead of base 8600) rather than an 8th gen (this at retail price is like £50) and a 580X rather than a 575X