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Dyn-tec

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Most “normal” folks keep their iPhones for 3 years or so. The people on this forum represent only a minuscule fraction of iPhone users who live to upgrade every chance they get.

I keep my phones for 2 years, then sell then for half of what I paid. Works out very well for me. It just means I need to take good care of my phone, which I do.

Why would anyone would buy a $1000 phone every year and then upgrade without liquidating the old device? I don’t know, but I doubt many people are doing that.

Agreed with everything posted here....I just wish my damn patience was better.

However, <patting myself on the back> I never owned the 8, I missed the launch day, my wife got an 8, I was able to play with it, then waited for the X.

Other than that, I have been foolish enough to buy just about every model on launch.

2 years would be a good cycle, as you would likely notice larger improvements compared to yearly upgrades.
 

aneftp

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I don’t spend $1000 on a phone. I resell it.

Plus i get promo (like $250-300 gift cards).

So my iPhone 8 Plus ($800 retail) minus $300 sams Card gift card. So $500 is my cost.

I can resell it easily for $400 (can sell it likely for $450-500 in September)

So it really costs me around $100-200 a year for a iPhone!
 

bluecoast

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iPhone 7 from 2016 until it breaks.

or eBay the 7 for a (mythical) SE2.

At the point, I can’t see myself getting a new phone more than 2-3 years. There would have to be something truly amazing for me to do otherwise.

Personally I’m more excited about the iPad getting more powerful and an ARM Mac.
 

eyoungren

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Most “normal” folks keep their iPhones for 3 years or so. The people on this forum represent only a minuscule fraction of iPhone users who live to upgrade every chance they get.
Yes.

My mom still uses an iPhone 4. I work with someone who uses a 5s and another person who heard about the iPhone 8 and the X yet chose to stick with her iPhone 7.

So, yeah. Most normal people don't really think about any of this and as long as their phone is functional they use it until it breaks.
 
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nrvna76

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I did the math before I signed up for the IUP and it made sense to me. If I keep for 2 years and sell I would gain back around 3-400 (calculated before the X crazy price jump) so I lose about 150-200 per year. Not really a big deal, and I enjoy new iPhone day.

Still have my series 0 Apple Watch though.
 
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Dyn-tec

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I don’t spend $1000 on a phone. I resell it.

Plus i get promo (like $250-300 gift cards).

So my iPhone 8 Plus ($800 retail) minus $300 sams Card gift card. So $500 is my cost.

I can resell it easily for $400 (can sell it likely for $450-500 in September)

So it really costs me around $100-200 a year for a iPhone!

This!! Been doing this for years.
 
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mk313

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Pretty much everyone wastes money on something. For some people that's phones, for others it's cars, or going out to eat, or whatever. If it's bringing you enjoyment that is greater than the cost in terms of your life energy spent to acquire the item, then it's all good.

That said, most people don't buy a new phone every year & those that do have figured out ways (selling their old ones, getting a discount from their carrier, leasing from Apple, etc) to defray the cost. I don't think that Apple intends for people to upgrade every year, but more like every two (although they certainly aren't complaining about those that do). They do need to come out with a new model every year though, and that's why you generally see somewhat incremental gains each year. If they only released a new phone every two years, the cash flow would be terrible, and no one would buy a new phone in month 22 of the cycle. But people are still getting a pretty noticeable upgrade every other cycle (going from a 4, to a 5 or a 4s to a 5s, for example).

It seems like I upgraded my iPhones more often back when they first came out (or first came to CDMA networks). But once they hit the 64 bit chips, they seem to hold up better for my uses, and I've been able to cut back on how often I upgrade without any major downsides.
 

turbineseaplane

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The sizes going up and then the SE is what ultimately got me off the annual track.

I got the 6 when it first came out, used it in frustration (the size increase) for a couple months and then was back on my 5s...and then my 64gb SE when those first came out.

I've never owned a 6s, 7, 8 or X series.

If they kill the SE size phone, I'll probably just ride it as long as I can and then figure out the future down the line.

Apple lost me as an annual customer simply because they don't offer annually released, flagship featured, smaller phones.

I guess it worked out better for me honestly.
They broke my yearly upgrade addiction for me, but to their detriment.

Now if an SE2 comes out?
I'll probably be all over that ASAP, depending upon what it is exactly.
 

Falhófnir

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I generally keep a phone for 2 years, or try to anyway. 18 months might be a sweet spot as sometimes I get the itch shortly into year 2, but obviously that doesn't dovetail with new model releases well. Personally I won't spend £1,000 on a phone (though in fairness $1,000 is more like £700, and I will happily pay that biennially).

Now if an SE2 comes out?
I'll probably be all over that ASAP, depending upon what it is exactly.
The rumours seem to be crystallising around the glass back design (quite a lot of pictures floating around now) so I'm guessing it will have wireless charging but otherwise look quite similar to the existing model :)
 

bodonnell202

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I used to upgrade every 2 years. With my 6s I’m now 2.5 years and planning to make it to the fall before even thinking about an upgrade again. Honestly, my 6s does everything I need it to well, I just wish the battery life was better but I don’t think any of the newer models improve on that much (and I’m not interested in + models).
 

Harthag

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$1000 a year? Heck, so far in 2018 I’ve had the iPhone X, Pixel 2, Pixel 2XL, iPhone 8 (current), and S9 (current).

Later this year I’m sure I’ll get the Pixel 3 and perhaps the LCD iPhone.

I use my phone daily for work and play and require a back up. And it’s just fun, that’s probably the best answer.
 
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nrvna76

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I don’t spend $1000 on a phone. I resell it.

Plus i get promo (like $250-300 gift cards).

So my iPhone 8 Plus ($800 retail) minus $300 sams Card gift card. So $500 is my cost.

I can resell it easily for $400 (can sell it likely for $450-500 in September)

So it really costs me around $100-200 a year for a iPhone!

You buy at launch and get promos every year?
 

blairh

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I've been reflecting on the awesome mass of technology at my daily command currently, an iP7+. Why would I want to spend a grand to buy a new phone? Yes, I know my carrier and others offer new-ever-so-often plans that make my annual investment more like $500 a year, but why continue to hang on every rumor of possible upgrades that only make micro-improvements to my daily use. If my next upgrade would have a battery that lasted two days of use without charging or a continuous solar charger, I'd spend a grand. If my next upgrade had a place to add additional sim card for backup and expansion, I'd spend a grand. If my next phone had dual sim cards for work and business and personal lines, I'd spend a grand. And the truth is the next upgrade should have all three of these and more.

I don't expect my next iPhone to take out the trash or feed the dogs, but spending crazy amounts of money to keep up with the latest and greatest little tweak of daily improvement is being a slave to the emperor wears no clothes. Let's expect more real improvements from our upgrades at a more reasonable price.
There is no reason whatsoever to upgrade yearly. Apple and the carriers of course want you to do exactly this.

IMO you can upgrade every 3 years and be just fine. I used to upgrade every 2 years but I don't feel the advancements in technology are worth it at this point.
 

turbineseaplane

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The rumours seem to be crystallising around the glass back design (quite a lot of pictures floating around now) so I'm guessing it will have wireless charging but otherwise look quite similar to the existing model :)

Are we sure *any* of them are real?
The ones I've seen look very much like a chinese knockoff to me, especially with the oddly large Apple logo I saw a bunch.

Curious - any links to the most legit of them all?
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With my 6s I’m now 2.5 years and planning to make it to the fall before even thinking about an upgrade again.

My sig other is in the same camp with her 6s.
It just got a new battery from Apple and it's a whole new world of "feels and runs like brand new" for her.

I doubt she'll even have an interest in upgrading until 2019 or 2020 now.

(no wonder they didn't mind batteries running down a bit and the performance getting slightly throttled to help nudge upgrade decisions. Nobody will convince me that Apple didn't at least know about and think about that side effect and they were sort of "ok with it" if it helps new sales)
 
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Altis

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The only reason I would replace my iPhone 6 is because Apple makes it run terribly on iOS (permanently).

The form factor, battery life, screen, etc, is all perfectly fine for me. If Apple can refrain from ruining this device, requiring a new one, that'd be great. :cool:
 
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rbrian

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Jul 24, 2011
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Personally I won't spend £1,000 on a phone (though in fairness $1,000 is more like £700, and I will happily pay that biennially)

It isn’t though. £1,000 includes 20% tax, and a better EU mandated warranty making Apple care less important, so it’s actually much of a muchness. Americans don’t pay $1,000, they pay $1,000 + tax, which varies depending on the state, but could be anywhere from nothing to an extra $200, and many spend another $150 on Apple care too. The exchange rate varies too, it’s been as low as 1:1, in which case it costs more in America, and as high as 2.5:1, when it’s half the price.

£1,000 is too much for me though - I paid £700 or so every year for 5 years, but there’s a psychological barrier when the number needs another column. That’s why everything is £9.99 instead of £10, but I got wise to that years ago, and deliberately add that extra penny.
 

turbineseaplane

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Mar 19, 2008
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The only reason I would replace my iPhone 6 is because Apple makes it run terribly on iOS (permanently).

The form factor, battery life, screen, etc, is all perfectly fine for me. If Apple can refrain from ruining this device, requiring a new one, that'd be great. :cool:

I'm getting less and less hopeful about this company I've loved for decades now.

They honestly seem far too focused on the making money side vs the product side in the last few years.
(yes, I know it's a business - but there's more to it than just making as much money as possible - Apple wouldn't be where it is today if the focus had always been on making money first and foremost)

I'm probably in the minority here, but I wish Tim Cook would move on.
The company needs leadership that's product focused again or I fear we are just on a long path to squeezing the lemon more and more and more....and that never ends well eventually.
 

Falhófnir

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Are we sure *any* of them are real?
The ones I've seen look very much like a chinese knockoff to me, especially with the oddly large Apple logo I saw a bunch.

Curious - any links to the most legit of them all?
As with all things rumour there’s no guarantee, but given there are now a few different images of the same design floating around I am thinking that is beginning to add weight to it...
 

turbineseaplane

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As with all things rumour there’s no guarantee, but given there are now a few different images of the same design floating around I am thinking that is beginning to add weight to it...

But what is the say those are not just different images of the same Chinese clone phone?

I haven't kept up on it but do we have proof of it running iOS or anything beyond just general photos?
 

Falhófnir

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It isn’t though. £1,000 includes 20% tax, and a better EU mandated warranty making Apple care less important, so it’s actually much of a muchness. Americans don’t pay $1,000, they pay $1,000 + tax, which varies depending on the state, but could be anywhere from nothing to an extra $200, and many spend another $150 on Apple care too. The exchange rate varies too, it’s been as low as 1:1, in which case it costs more in America, and as high as 2.5:1, when it’s half the price.

£1,000 is too much for me though - I paid £700 or so every year for 5 years, but there’s a psychological barrier when the number needs another column. That’s why everything is £9.99 instead of £10, but I got wise to that years ago, and deliberately add that extra penny.
£1,000 is £1,000 to the customer whether the money is going to Apple, the gummint or otherwise... when exchange rates are low and the price in £ goes up, it’s pretty unlikely you or I have received an equivalent pay boost, so it costs more to us either way. Not apple’s fault but still apple’s problem at the end of the day!
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But what is the say those are not just different images of the same Chinese clone phone?

I haven't kept up on it but do we have proof of it running iOS or anything beyond just general photos?
Nothing and no ;)
 
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ApplePersonFreak

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For me, I don’t spend my money on cigarettes or alcohol, and work hard for it so I tend to spoil myself every year. That being said, I always make sure I sell my old device or sell other things that I no longer need to offset the cost of it, so I don’t spend the whole $1k on it.
 
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There is absolutely no need to spend $1000 on an iPhone annually. For those who do upgrade annually, are likely more heavy into tech, where the average consumer is perfectly content with their iPhone that likely meets all their needs, and they don’t even utilize all the functionality and the power these iPhones have.

For those who do upgrade annually, there is certainly nothing wrong with that and everybody values different things for different reasons. The iPhone is not an overhauled device every year, Apple likes to ration their features to give the consumer reasons to want to upgrade through their aggressive marketing.

I Think one of the things that all smart phones are starting to face, is that consumers are not upgrading as often as they used to because of the rising cost of smart phones and some of these features added to smart phones is not compelling enough for consumers to want to spend their money. Which is exactly why you have carriers now implementing payment plans to make them more ‘affordable’.

One thing I want to give Apple credit is that I read a lot of other members saying is that their iPhone line is ‘fragmented’, but Apple has a fairly decent iPhone lineup where they have a price point/model for everybody. The iPhone X does not have to be model someone chooses just because it has the latest technology and form factor, when the iPhone 8 is also a perfectly good device, just as well the iPhone 7 is. Again, everybody will vary based on what they value and what fits their needs.
 
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bevsb2

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Because the Heart wants what the Heart wants-----

Op's choice is OP's choice------

And if the Heart can afford it whether outright or on a 1 or 2 year upgrade plan than it is a reasonable choice. It may be okay to say how often the "average" person upgrades but I don't think saying how often the "normal" person upgrades is reasonable. I love having the latest and greatest tech and that is the way I use my expendable income.
 
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fs454

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$600 per year to always have the latest phone via iPhone Upgrade Program every year, AppleCare included. Never worry about selling on the used market, using screen protectors or ugly cases to try and preserve the thing for years, just a year full of use as Apple intended it to be used.

That's worth it to me for the device I use more than anything else on the planet.
 
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