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eyoungren

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Mac & Chesse is one of those things I should try some day.

The other day made a PJ sandwich to see how it became so famous and while it is indeed a nice combination (used strawberry) I couldn't get why it is so famous. Perhaps it needs the magic of having your mother prepare it while you are a kid.
PBJs are fast and easy. American made sandwich bags are sized to appropriately fit a PBJ. While a lot of adults like them, it's mainly a kids thing because, if you are pressed for time and need to get out the door, this is a quick fix to get your kid's lunch together. Hence they tend to be made primarily for kids.

I never really cared for them.

Of course, now everything is different as school cafeterias have changed. But this is still an American staple for a lot of people.
 
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mtbdudex

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Hey, think about this for a moment

This thread is only 50 posts away from 1776 .. the year America was born.

Keep it going!!!!

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BotchQue

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I've never had a peanut butter-n-jelly sandwich. It sounds disgusting.

However, yesterday I had a grilled-cheese sandwich with kimchee in it, and it was quite good! EweTube for the win!
 
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eyoungren

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Do you have to melt the butter before measuring? Idiots..
It would depend. For simple Mac and Cheese out of a box, when you mix in the packet, the milk and the butter the heat from the already cooked pasta melts the butter. Stirring it all together gives you a cheesy 'sauce' that adheres to the macaroni.
 

hdrummon

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Okay guys, this is probably my angry 1 AM self again posting here, but this is something that has been bothering me for a few weeks now. I am posting it here because I know this is a website primarily of American people, and I don't know who else to rant this about.


Okay, first off, temperature. We all know what the three useful temperature measurements are. Only one is used in daily use, it's Celsius, and across the entire world. It is the most logical of the three, 0° is water's freezing point, 100° is its boiling point, every semi-educated person knows that. Only THREE countries use Fahrenheit exclusively, and surprise surprise, the United States is one of them. Why? Why is that necessary? Why use a system that is absolutely outdated, makes no sense whatsoever (water freezes at 32° and melts at 212°? yeah, totally makes sense), that is used by basically no one else? Even, excuse me for this term, stubborn countries like the United Kingdom now use Celsius exclusively and primarily. Even Canada, and its influence of the country did not force it to keep Fahrenheit. It annoys me because every time someone says "it's 60° outside!" I have to google and convert it because that means nothing for me, and I don't communicate enough with Americans to bother learning it. I could get away with it if it was something that was used interchangeably in multiple countries, but it isn't, it's outdated.

Second, measurement units. On one hand, you have the most logical system on the planet, the metric system. Simple, each unit correlates with each other, and there are basic prefixes which simply divide or multiply the numbers by multiples of 10. And I will be blunt here, the imperial units are more intuitive and are still somewhat logical. However, once you want to do anything slightly more complex, it becomes annoying. You can't do anything with a system like that. You have to learn the massive amount of words and how each of them correspond with each other. Imagine instead of having to use Kilobytes, Megabytes, Gigabytes, Terabytes, you would instead use Floppies, Discs, Drives, and Servers. It seems like the logical option, but they do not work together well at all and you gotta remember all of that crap. Once again, only the United States along with two other small countries exclusively use this system. In fact, when I thought that the United Kingdom was responsible for the same thing, it turns out it's technically the main measurement system of today (even though many people still use the other one), so I've actually gotta give them credit for having the guts to defy a traditional system. Every commonwealth country has adopted the SI, even if some like Canada still offer it occasionally. Seriously, why do this? Sure, I can deal with that, it's not like it's stupid or anything, but NOT when it's officially only used in a SINGLE GODDAMN COUNTRY (I'm excluding minor countries here because they are usually very small and have very little influence on the rest of the world).

Finally, this one pisses me off so much I just want to die. The date system. The entire world uses one or the other, either a DD/MM/YYYY system (common in European countries), either a YYYY/MM/DD system (common in East-Asian countries and some other places). Both are perfectly fine, as they represent a proper level of importance. What is NOT fine is when a single country just comes to troll everybody and bring a MM/DD/YYYY system, which completely messes up the order of the dates. The month, then a small part of the month, and then the year which the month takes place in? WHAT? How does that make any sense? WHY IS THAT NECESSARY? WHY THE ILLOGICALITY? I can bear with a January 1st, 2016 date system because it is closer to being a feature of the language, but not when it's a purely written form! At least use YYYY/MM/DD if you want to keep the M/D part! Seriously!


Okay, I understand that this was a bit blunt. But I can't accept that. I can't accept a country where there are people so lazy to adopt systems that are, by far, much more convenient than whatever is present, especially considering we are in 2016 and no improvement has been made to this date. And not to mention I'm sure there will be some idiots defending this system saying that "we are not sheeple to follow other people like that!". Well, uh, then you're sheeple to your own ****ing community. Any thoughts? Sure, you may call be brainwashed if that's what you believe, but I'd just like to point out that even though I grew up in a 24h system and I completely switched to 12h. And now I'm (partially) back at 24h. During this whole time, I barely spent any time outside. How exactly can you prove this against me if that's your intent? Anyway, any reasonable and non-biased explanations and/or defenses? Thank you.
I'm going to be 70 in June but when in high school in the early 70's, they tried to go metric but Congress turned it down eventually and the schools stopped teaching us metric. Metric makes sense as does the way the world does dates but we are probably stuck with our current system until congress changes the law. It was super unpopular back then to convert.
 

BotchQue

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I'm going to be 70 in June but when in high school in the early 70's, they tried to go metric but Congress turned it down eventually and the schools stopped teaching us metric. Metric makes sense as does the way the world does dates but we are probably stuck with our current system until congress changes the law. It was super unpopular back then to convert.
I'll be 64 next month and I remember that. It really caused issues with world trade (converting tons to kilos, etc) but that's about the time affordable pocket calculators came out, and eased doing the conversions somewhat.
 

Herdfan

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Ok, here is one that makes zero sense.

Bolts are graded by strength. For SAE, it is Grade 2, Grade 5 and Grade 8.

But for Metric, they are 8.8, 10.9 & 12.9. A Metric 8.8 is equivalent to an SAE Grade 5. But I know people confuse Metric 8.8 with Grade 8 and they are not the same.

Unlikely, but someone could be injured or killed if the wrong grade bolt is used in certain applications.

Why do they have to be different?
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Ok, here is one that makes zero sense.

Bolts are graded by strength. For SAE, it is Grade 2, Grade 5 and Grade 8.

But for Metric, they are 8.8, 10.9 & 12.9. A Metric 8.8 is equivalent to an SAE Grade 5. But I know people confuse Metric 8.8 with Grade 8 and they are not the same.

Unlikely, but someone could be injured or killed if the wrong grade bolt is used in certain applications.

Why do they have to be different?

At least you have the bolts. Unlike a certain brand of airplane where apparently bolts are optional...

But yes, there was a case where a plane windscreen was secured with the wrong bolts, the window blew out, and the pilot on that side was (mostly) sucked out. A fellow crew member held onto him till they could get him back inside.
 

timber

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Ok, here is one that makes zero sense.

Bolts are graded by strength. For SAE, it is Grade 2, Grade 5 and Grade 8.

But for Metric, they are 8.8, 10.9 & 12.9. A Metric 8.8 is equivalent to an SAE Grade 5. But I know people confuse Metric 8.8 with Grade 8 and they are not the same.

Unlikely, but someone could be injured or killed if the wrong grade bolt is used in certain applications.

Why do they have to be different?
Are you talking about the torque to be applied? In Nm (newton metre)?
If you don't design the bolts for SI it's better to completely stick to US measurements and tools and don't use 8.8 instead of 9 or 10.
 

Micky Do

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No they are not. I guess you are from the US, the world is a much bigger place.
Nope, a multinational, not from the US...... Grew up using pounds, shillings and pence along with Imperial units (not US Customary units) and am still ok them. The country changed to decimal currency in the 1960s, and metric weights and measures in the 1970s, and I am more than OK with that.

Grew up cooking and baking with standard measuring cups, spoons, measuring jug and kitchen scales. Having lived and worked in four countries, and traveled to a dozen or so more since then, I have learned that they are universally used.
 
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drrich2

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as does the way the world does dates
Looked back at some of the earlier pages. The way we typically do dates in the U.S. makes sense because it matches how most of us think about time in common daily usage. It matches how our minds react to date information.

The large majority of date references most of us use are in reference to the current year, so that's presumed, and a smaller portion are consistent each year (e.g.: July 4th is Independence Day, Dec. 25th is Christmas and of course new Year's Day). So we don't specify the current year most of the time verbally.

If someone asked me when the school field trip is, I wouldn't dream of answering "In the year 2024, and..."

As for how we order month and year, we then have 2 options:

1.) May 10th.
2.) 10th of May.

If we say May first, that orients the mind to roughly where in the year we're talking about, just off that single bit of info. We then say the 10th, which specifies where in the month of May.

If we say 'the 10th of' first, we leave the listener hanging for that duration, because there are 12 different '10ths' of in a given year and it could be any one of them. The brain can't immediately zero in on a portion of the year we're talking about, until we give the next bit, and at least the way I think the typical American mind works, we then have to turn it around (e.g.: oh, the 10'th of May, so nearly half-way into the year, and then about a quarter of the way into that month).

In the U.S., we usually verbally render dates month:day and presume the year. Therefore, that's how we write them. It's intuitive and works fine for us.

Unlike the metric vs. Imperial debate, where factors of 10 differentiate units, dating simply reflects preferences regarding order.
 
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BotchQue

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At least you have the bolts. Unlike a certain brand of airplane where apparently bolts are optional...

But yes, there was a case where a plane windscreen was secured with the wrong bolts, the window blew out, and the pilot on that side was (mostly) sucked out. A fellow crew member held onto him till they could get him back inside.
Love your first comment! (Boeing: the company named after the sound their doors make when they hit the ground)

Your second comment: in the late '80's I was working in Albuquerque in the nuclear weapon safety field. An Army helicopter had shed a blade and it killed eight soldiers. They found that the Chinese bolts on the rotor blade were marked Grade 8, but tested at Grade 5. It was THEN learned that a US importer had ordered them that way, and they were eventually taken to court. I had the miserable job of trying to track down any Chinese bolts procured from that importer for nuclear support equipment, a huge headache for me (that I'm sure I didn't fulfill as much as it should've been).
 
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DaveFromCampbelltown

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Love your first comment! (Boeing: the company named after the sound their doors make when they hit the ground)

Your second comment: in the late '80's I was working in Albuquerque in the nuclear weapon safety field. An Army helicopter had shed a blade and it killed eight soldiers. They found that the Chinese bolts on the rotor blade were marked Grade 8, but tested at Grade 5. It was THEN learned that a US importer had ordered them that way, and they were eventually taken to court. I had the miserable job of trying to track down any Chinese bolts procured from that importer for nuclear support equipment, a huge headache for me (that I'm sure I didn't fulfill as much as it should've been).

Apparently there is a similar problem with a British aeroparts company supplying parts to airplane manufacturers at the moment.
 
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Micky Do

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Looked back at some of the earlier pages. The way we typically do dates in the U.S. makes sense because it matches how most of us think about time in common daily usage. It matches how our minds react to date information.
Tosh..... While it may match how you in the USA think, it is not in keeping with the rest of the world (either dd/mm/yyyy in Europe etc, or yyyy/mm/dd in parts of Asia).
 
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Apple fanboy

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Tosh..... While it may match how you in the USA think, it is not in keeping with the rest of the world (either dd/mm/yyyy in Europe etc, or yyyy/mm/dd in parts of Asia).
100%! Reminds me of a conversation I had with a teacher once. She was 100% convinced everyone broke the year up into terms. I kindly explained that I had left school at 15 and it had been decades since I looked forward to half term or a summer holiday!
 
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drrich2

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Tosh..... While it may match how you in the USA think, it is not in keeping with the rest of the world (either dd/mm/yyyy in Europe etc, or yyyy/mm/dd in parts of Asia).
Nothing 'tosh' about it; it's how we think and do things. We don't need to be in keeping with the 'rest of the world' on date format. From what I'm told the U.S. is larger than Western Europe and has around 330 million people; that's a large area and many people operating this way, even if technically one nation. Plus, from what you note, the 'rest of the world' isn't in agreement, either.

A great irony here is that when I read foreigner impressions of American tourists abroad, one criticism is of Americans expecting things elsewhere to be and work like they do 'back home.'
 

drrich2

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100%! Reminds me of a conversation I had with a teacher once. She was 100% convinced everyone broke the year up into terms. I kindly explained that I had left school at 15 and it had been decades since I looked forward to half term or a summer holiday!
Now imagine a nation larger than Western Europe with 330 million people where everyone is a teacher and thinks in terms. It would be no great shock it they formatted dates to reflect how they conceived of and structured time.
 

psingh01

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All the metric system proponents should be forced to use metric time and metric calendars. Fully embrace it. :p
 

Apple fanboy

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Now imagine a nation larger than Western Europe with 330 million people where everyone is a teacher and thinks in terms. It would be no great shock it they formatted dates to reflect how they conceived of and structured time.
I don’t think size is how you should decide. Otherwise we should all embrace the Chinese calendar!

But the response was to @drrich2 who was saying the American way makes more sense. Well it does if you are American.
But thankfully I’m not!
I appreciate my way dd/mm/yy makes sense to me. I appreciate it doesn’t to Americans (or Asians for that matter).
But to suggest we all think like Americans is rather narrow minded.
 
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