Why the iPad WILL succeed

[matttye]

'7 to 10 times'? Why not just go for broke and say 'a bajillion gazillion', it's equally meaningless.

I said "Windows 7 IS 10 times" better, IS, not TO.

Wow, I'm crushed, the agony of switching between apps one at a time (as opposed to more than one at a time?) when I could be living the good life like you.

Seriously, is the problem with the iPad that it isn't revolutionary enough or that it can't play stupid Facebook games? I hear both complaints in equal measure. Both are equally dumb.

The problem I have with it is that Apple actually try to sell it as "revolutionary" when it only has half of the features that existing technology has.

Get your ugly face the f*ck out of mine. How high are you atm?

Probably less high than you if you like the crap Apple comes out with.

iPhone is a stroke of genius, but that is the only positive thing this company has made.

 

[colmaclean]

Windows 7 is 10 times better than any OS apple will EVER come up with.

I'd love to know what quantitative analysis you employed to come up with this figure. Here's some experts' opinion on Windows 7 v Snow Leopard...

http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-19589_7-314.html

My ISP offers a netbook for £50 if you take out an 18-month contract for an internet connection with them, and that runs things just fine..

Who's to say that telcos won't start selling the iPad subsidised with a data plan as well? I can see this proving popular in Europe at least.

The iPhone takes an age to load, how can you be certain the iPad will be that much quicker?

The point was that the iPhone/iPad wake from standby pretty damn quick. Any netbook I've used takes a long time to get its wits together from standby.

 

[SteveSparks]

This thread is funny.

The reasons are truly as simple as I stated above. The core elements of the "why" the ipad will be a success is that no other device of this kind in this form factor has ever existed that does as much.

Instant on
1.5lbs
Lots of applications

don't hurt.

I've purchased almost every type of computing device, big and small and this is device is going to cut across the spectrum of users more than any other computer.

It might be tagged as a big ipod touch, but I think it will be much more and after a year or maybe less the iPod Touch will be noise in the distant background and the screen and computing power of the iPad will race past it with things we have not considered.

I just wantched the Square video for personal credit card processing, Its simple and quick and very clever. There will be things like this that only the iPad can do best, the questions is what? The person/s (the who) that answers this question will likely make a few bucks!

Since the beginning of computers for home use, I've not see such a boom to a computing enviornment. These times are like when you had the TRS-80, Apple II, C64, Ti99, Atari, Coleco and many other platforms running software... that was oftend designed by small shops.... The only thing here is rather than a many platforms you have a single platform but the ability to deploy via the app store bring back the chance that the "little guy" has a chance with a good idea and some programming skill to make it big.

These are exciting times, and while there are many faults that might be found in the iPad, I would much rather see it a success than a failr for the simple reason that if the iPad does well then many other than Apple will make it a success for themselves.

The reason that the iPad will be success is that while there are lots of uses for the device out of the box, there are going to be more than we know as the applications are developed, for a platform that is donig nothing but growing and giving people a chance to be creative.

 

[Carouser]

I said "Windows 7 IS 10 times" better, IS, not TO.

You say it like you think that it makes any difference. The point still stands: why not just go for broke and say 'a bajillion gazillion', it's equally meaningless.

The problem I have with it is that Apple actually try to sell it as "revolutionary" when it only has half of the features that existing technology has.

What kind of problem is that? "Oh no, their marketing-speak is hyperbolic. I had better care about this, because it completely changes how useful the device is." No wait, that's not right at all.

Also, how good something is isn't a function of how many features it has.

 

[XboxMySocks]

iPhone is a stroke of genius, but that is the only positive thing this company has made.

Apart from that whole 'mac operating system', y'know, the thing that doesn't crash every 4 seconds...

 

[mrsir2009]

I said "Windows 7 IS 10 times" better, IS, not TO.



The problem I have with it is that Apple actually try to sell it as "revolutionary" when it only has half of the features that existing technology has.



Probably less high than you if you like the crap Apple comes out with.

iPhone is a stroke of genius, but that is the only positive thing this company has made.

What about the iPod? F*cking tons of Windows users use iPods!

 

[anthonymoody]

The reason that the iPad will be success is that while there are lots of uses for the device out of the box, there are going to be more than we know as the applications are developed, for a platform that is donig nothing but growing and giving people a chance to be creative.

Amen. It continues to completely shock and baffle me why this is not entirely obvious to all. There's no doubt in my mind that an awful lot of crow is going to be served up to the naysayers in the coming months.

 

[AJsAWiz]

What about the iPod? F*cking tons of Windows users use iPods!

Yeah, they are

 

[AJsAWiz]

Get your ugly face the f*ck out of mine. How high are you atm?

I believe they were just trying to yank your chain . . . Pee Cee users do that

 

[AJsAWiz]

Yeah Netbooks have everything but they are total crap.

I've got one and when i saw iPad i sold it in 2 days.

I still got the MBP and iPhone but to have a big iPhone is like a dream come true.

I tend to agree with you but for the time being I'll hang onto my netbook. Now when it does, indeed, come out and I nab one . . . . the netbook might just have to vacate the premises

What I've seen (of the iPad) is very impressive! I don't think of it replacement for any of the devices I now own . . . more like a welcome addition to the flock. I own quite a few electronic devices because they do different things and serve different purposes.

 

[felixen]

so many critics are retards. They all think iPad will fail, they complain about the price (what??!) and most of all they ask of it's purpose. They expect only revolution and not evolution, it seems. I understand why people would love a revolutionizing new product from apple considering the crazy line-up of products they have out and considering what the iphone have done. But this is what apple does: They create standards. These morons ask what purpose it serves because they don't see the groundbreaking revolution in it. Well, there is none, but what happened to making things easier, smoother, quicker and more accessible? I am nearly certain that ipad will set a new standard and these retards just don't understand it YET. People had doubts about the iphone too. What ipad does is make things easier. What ipad does is RESURRECTING various forms of media that has been dying lately. Take magazines - the internet seemed to be their downfall as people would read the things magazines could bring online - INSTANTLY, whereas a magazine's news are a month old. Now iPad can use the internet to resurrect the magazines again, simply because magazines ARE nicer than some BS online news and now they can be easier, faster and cheaper accessible.

I swear, these critics don't see what's coming. In a year or so you will see a load of tablets being spit out. Apple arent the first to create one, but they will be the first to create one that sets a standard that opens people's eyes. People doubt it and say it will fail, meaning it won't sell. I say they are ALL wrong - the ipad will be sold out, it will be highly demanded and it will change the way we seek information online. It is NOT just a huge ipod. let time prove my point, apple got **** on lock with this one, morons just dont see it coming.

 

[mrsir2009]

so many critics are retards. They all think iPad will fail, they complain about the price (what??!) and most of all they ask of it's purpose. They expect only revolution and not evolution, it seems. I understand why people would love a revolutionizing new product from apple considering the crazy line-up of products they have out and considering what the iphone have done. But this is what apple does: They create standards. These morons ask what purpose it serves because they don't see the groundbreaking revolution in it. Well, there is none, but what happened to making things easier, smoother, quicker and more accessible? I am nearly certain that ipad will set a new standard and these retards just don't understand it YET. People had doubts about the iphone too. What ipad does is make things easier. What ipad does is RESURRECTING various forms of media that has been dying lately. Take magazines - the internet seemed to be their downfall as people would read the things magazines could bring online - INSTANTLY, whereas a magazine's news are a month old. Now iPad can use the internet to resurrect the magazines again, simply because magazines ARE nicer than some BS online news and now they can be easier, faster and cheaper accessible.

I swear, these critics don't see what's coming. In a year or so you will see a load of tablets being spit out. Apple arent the first to create one, but they will be the first to create one that sets a standard that opens people's eyes. People doubt it and say it will fail, meaning it won't sell. I say they are ALL wrong - the ipad will be sold out, it will be highly demanded and it will change the way we seek information online. It is NOT just a huge ipod. let time prove my point, apple got **** on lock with this one, morons just dont see it coming.

That seemed like a very heartfelt speech (I'm not being sarcastic). And I don't think this first iPad is the finished product, look at the iPod and the iPhone, they weren't that great when they first came out, but they certainly are now. By about the third generation the iPad will become much more popular and developed. Just a bit of waiting and tweaking to be done

 

[anthonymoody]

so many critics are retards. They all think iPad will fail, they complain about the price (what??!) and most of all they ask of it's purpose. They expect only revolution and not evolution, it seems. I understand why people would love a revolutionizing new product from apple considering the crazy line-up of products they have out and considering what the iphone have done. But this is what apple does: They create standards. These morons ask what purpose it serves because they don't see the groundbreaking revolution in it. Well, there is none, but what happened to making things easier, smoother, quicker and more accessible? I am nearly certain that ipad will set a new standard and these retards just don't understand it YET. People had doubts about the iphone too. What ipad does is make things easier. What ipad does is RESURRECTING various forms of media that has been dying lately. Take magazines - the internet seemed to be their downfall as people would read the things magazines could bring online - INSTANTLY, whereas a magazine's news are a month old. Now iPad can use the internet to resurrect the magazines again, simply because magazines ARE nicer than some BS online news and now they can be easier, faster and cheaper accessible.

I swear, these critics don't see what's coming. In a year or so you will see a load of tablets being spit out. Apple arent the first to create one, but they will be the first to create one that sets a standard that opens people's eyes. People doubt it and say it will fail, meaning it won't sell. I say they are ALL wrong - the ipad will be sold out, it will be highly demanded and it will change the way we seek information online. It is NOT just a huge ipod. let time prove my point, apple got **** on lock with this one, morons just dont see it coming.

But for your use of the words retard and moron, overall I agree with you with one caveat. It is a revolution; it's just that most of us will only realize this in time.

 

[Robin4]

That seemed like a very heartfelt speech (I'm not being sarcastic). And I don't think this first iPad is the finished product, look at the iPod and the iPhone, they weren't that great when they first came out, but they certainly are now. By about the third generation the iPad will become much more popular and developed. Just a bit of waiting and tweaking to be done

I am a proud owner of the first generation iPhone. I love my baby, do not regret having bought it the second day it came out. Yes, they have improved ya da, ya da, ya da but I am not willing to buy a new one until my first iPhone breaks down and the battery is gone.

 

[Bytor65]

That seemed like a very heartfelt speech (I'm not being sarcastic). And I don't think this first iPad is the finished product, look at the iPod and the iPhone, they weren't that great when they first came out, but they certainly are now. By about the third generation the iPad will become much more popular and developed. Just a bit of waiting and tweaking to be done

I don't own an iPhone, So what is so much better with the new one vs the original? They appear substantially the same experience to me, running the same software.

Isn't it just slightly faster and now has available 3G? I see no big differences that would have been worth waiting years without an iPhone (if you wanted one) for a slightly tweaked version. All tech gets better over time.

The question isn't whether there will be a better iPad someday, that is almost a certainty, it is whether this one does enough today. I think it does. I will likely buy one the first week it is released.

 

[NotTempted]

I'm commenting in the very very very very very very very very slim chance that the rather loud response to the iPad gets noticed at Cupertino and they make some changes. Like add the camera. Like enable flash. Like allow multi-tasking with non-Apple apps.

Frankly - watching Jobs browse the NYT website with multiple obvious in your face missing flash elements, whilst saying it's the best browsing experience in the world.

I was embarrassed for him.

Here tell him about it, not me:
sjobs@apple.com
sj@pixar.com

 

[samcraig]

- netbooks running windows 7/xp - better than the ipad? no.

1. - multitasking on slow and underpowered netbooks - if it takes me 1 min. to launch MS Word, another 15-30 sec. to launch MS Excel, 10-30 sec. to switch between apps. -- no thanks. you can have your multitasking.

2. - viruses/trojans/spyware -

3. - the iPad is a true mobile device - i can go anywhere I want while listening to music/audio books, etc. i don't think people do that with their netbooks.

4. -instant on - my netbook takes 2 min. to boot.

5. -netbooks have crappy displays

These are bad argument points. Love the iPad for it's "slickness" but to counter your arguments here just for the sake of countering..

1. How long do you think it will take to copy/paste across apps on the iPad? I'm sure it won't be split second timing. And you're comparing apples to oranges anyway. Apple's suite of products will be programmed and built specifically for the iPad. Of course it will load faster. Plus, the iPad works with RAM not a hard drive. Have you ever launched Word on a Mac? Speedy "boot up" it's not. That's a Word "issue" not a device issue.

2. Yeah - as others have said. I'd rather be a little careful (it's not hard) and have an "open" device than be locked down. Hey - I love my 3GS, MacBook Pro and iMac. I'm not a hater. But all the things frustrating I find about the 3GS get magnified by the iPad. An OS fix/update "could" change my frustration - but that's a maybe. Not a definite.

3. A netbook is just as mobile. You don't "think" people use their netbooks for music, etc? That's a bit shortsighted. And those that don't - why would the iPad suddenly change their usage? I have laptops and other portable devices - hell I had plenty of movies and music on my blackberry curve. The netbook isn't portable? I still don't understand your comment here.

4. Well they are different devices as mentioned above. One uses a hard drive, the other uses RAM. And (just based on the iPhone 3GS boot up) - it's not instant on when going from TRUE off to usable. Sleep is different than OFF. SO if you want to compare "boot up" times - be fair and go from the state when you close your lid and open it to pressing the wake button on your iPad. Yes - the iPad will win - but it's not a 2 minute difference.

5. Again I don't understand this statement. There are dozens of netbooks and some have GREAT displays and others don't. Don't overgeneralize.


It's funny - people who are gunning for their iPads argue that the naysayers are coming up with short insignificant lists of reasons not to get one - but I see the same thing happening with them. They are pulling out lists like the above which ultimately doesn't matter. Or is personal preference.

And that's the bottom line. The iPad will be a great device. No doubt. But at the end the day - some will find use in one, and others will find use in something else.

You don't have to have a winner and loser in this argument. People can opt for different technologies and workflows.

 

[Bytor65]

5. Again I don't understand this statement. There are dozens of netbooks and some have GREAT displays and others don't. Don't overgeneralize.

I have to jump on this one because I am very display sensitive and had to go through a half dozen LCDs to find a decent one to replace my Trinitron Monitor.

Name one netbook with a great screen. These days you would be hard pressed to find even an expensive laptop that didn't come with a crappy TN screen

TN screens are characterized by two issues.

(1): Poor viewing angles, where the colors shift depending on how you hold it (universal for TN screens)

(2): 6 bit color rendering(vs typical 8bit of IPS/VA), so instead of the typical 16 million colors, you get 260 thousand. Instead of 256 gray levels you get 64, leading to false contouring/stepping on smooth gradients. "Better" TN screens will use some form of dithering to mitigate, but this mitigation isn't perfect and it's unlikely any netbook has dithering.

So where is this netbook with a great display?

With an IPS panel the iPads display will almost certainly be much better than any netbook.

 

[samcraig]

With an IPS panel the iPads display will almost certainly be much better than any netbook.

Ok. Well gee. I guess the iPad wins. It's the better device without question. Is that what you want me or others to say? Will that make you feel better about buying one?

As I said - people have preferences and different needs. That's really all there is to it. No one wins. No one loses. I know it will take some adjusting.

 

[Bytor65]

Ok. Well gee. I guess the iPad wins. It's the better device without question. Is that what you want me or others to say? Will that make you feel better about buying one?

No need for the drama. My comment was completely unrelated to the device as a whole, just correcting you on display quality.

 

[dgree03]

Windows 7 is a better more well rounded OS than OSX. There I said it....
I would take a windows 7 netbook over a ipad anyday...

OSX is security by obscurity... I dont think its any more or less secure than windows... it just that its not popular enough for viruses to be developed on it.

 

[mrklaw]

Also, how good something is isn't a function of how many features it has.

I wish people would realise this.

 

[dgree03]

I wish people would realise this.

only with a apple product could someone justify that remark... lol

 

[samcraig]

No need for the drama. My comment was completely unrelated to the device as a whole, just correcting you on display quality.

I think you're confusing drama with sarcasm.

 

[r0k]

Windows 7 is a better more well rounded OS than OSX. There I said it....
I would take a windows 7 netbook over a ipad anyday...

OSX is security by obscurity... I dont think its any more or less secure than windows... it just that its not popular enough for viruses to be developed on it.

This point has been argued for years. Yes, OS X enjoys a smaller market share. But underneath OS X is Unix. When you log in to Unix, you are a user. You have to ask to become root. Process you run cannot become root all by themselves (unless they are malware). On Windows you are always logged in as root and processes you run gain root privileges as a matter of course as soon as they are launched. Granted, M$ has taken some steps to harden their OS against malware such as memory map randomization that OS X has yet to do.

Granted, Apple isn't always right on top of security fixes for OS X as quickly as they are pushed to Linux distributions. But even with Apple's slow response to *nix security issues, *nix is inherently more secure because its underlying architecture was created with multi-user business and scientific applications in mind. Windows has not escaped its roots as a single-tasking single-user OS.

When Apple ate a whole bakery full of humble pie and their single-user-single-tasking dumped OS 9 to introduce OS X, they left the dark days of instability and insecurity behind. M$ has taken its NT code base and built every OS since 2000 on top of it. But even inside 7 there lives some legacy 16 bit "dos" code. I read an article by someone who saw Windows source code was full of comments like "ugly hack". He also said that in spite of those comments, he thought the OS was well written and well maintained. I believe those "ugly hack" comments serve to draw attention to a technology that has been stretched beyond its intended purpose and M$ stubbornly refuses to embrace a "ground up rewrite" of their flagship OS. Another factor is drivers. M$ is not to blame for millions of badly written drivers but the end user experience is miserable just the same because drivers run in kernel space and can take your machine down to a BSOD in no time at all. OS X, OTOH, only runs on Apple hardware with Apple drivers and a single entity takes responsibility for the end to end user experience.

If by "more well rounded" you mean 7 supports more applications you are correct. There is a lot more you can do on Windows than on OS X because of the sheer number of apps available. But please do not oversimplify the discussion of security. M$ has been doing this for years now and look where it has led us.

If by "more well rounded" you mean to imply that 7 is better thought out or better engineered than OS X, perhaps we can simply agree to disagree. Apple has put an enormous amount of thought into how easy it is to do things from setting wifi access keys to running backups to sharing folders to start up, standby and shutdown. Nothing any flavor of Windows does in these areas even comes close.