Why there is no an Imac Pro????

[JML42691]

well i totally agree with you about the imacs are high end pro enough, and apple should give us the new mac mini sooner, but even for the mac mini i guess and for the imac cant change the gpu, spouse there is a new nvidia better than the 8800 in the next year.. actually there is (GeForce 9800) and it's the best i think, you can play crysis in full ultra quality with 1900x1200 resolution, and the new ati 3870, they are really great and powerful.

so what it's gonna be, stuck for ever or try to tell apple that they are not giving the imac and mac mini a chance to make it perfect, i mean they made the thinnest laptop in the world (Macbook air), they made the best os in the world (Leopard), they made the best mobile phone in the world (iPhone), they have the most powerful computer in the world (Mac Pro), they have most powerful laptop (Macbook Pro), they are the best online music store and i think the video store (iTunes).

And they cant make the iMac GPUS upgradable! This sucks!

I'm sorry, but you are among the minority here in means of wishing that they made the iMac upgradable. If they were to make the iMac upgradable, then it would have to have a much larger footprint, and the thickness of the device would be probable about 3-5 times thicker. The iMac wasn't made to be an upgradable device, it was meant to be an all-in-one device, that is capable of packing some power. If you are someone that is planning on using the computer for gaming, then you probably decided that when you purchased it, and you would have made the decision for the best graphics card when you bought it. Granted, there are differences when new graphics cards are released, but it is not going to be a huge difference in most cases. Most of Apple's products were not meant to be upgradable, as Apple is about simplicity, and taking up the least amount of space. Apple did all that they could in their devices to make them take up the least amount of space, which in most cases, means that they are made to not be upgradable. But one thing that Apple did do with most of these devices, is to make two main components upgradable, the RAM and the Hard Drive (even though they do not tell you this). They make the RAM upgradable so computers can work well over a longer time. As years go by, applications begin to take up more space, and thus more RAM is needed for better performance, this is why Apple made it easy to upgrade the RAM in all of their devices with the exception of the Mac mini. Although they do not tell the user, the Hard Drive is also in a somewhat easy place to access, because there are many times when Hard Drives fail, and this was probably done to make it easy for the Geniuses at the Genius Bar to replace the Hard Drive, without having to replace the entire unit. For any Apple person who wishes to have a machine that holds a lot of power and wants to keep that computer running with the best performance possible should have probably bought a Mac Pro. In your case, a Mac Pro would have been the better choice for somebody who wishes to upgrade their equipment. I know that the Mac Pro is expensive, but it is a computer that you should never need to replace and shouldn't need to buy another new one for 5-10 years (unless you wanted a laptop). Mac Pros are way ahead of most computers that you can find.

And making things red, capitalized, bold, in a huge font, and other things like that are not going to stress the emphasis of your post, only make you seem more childish.

 

[ihabime]

AND THEY CANT MAKE THE IMACS GPUS UPGRADABLE!!!!
THIS SUCKS!!!!​

Tsk tsk, not so fast there young man, the 24" iMac happens to use an mxm connector for its graphics card, and it is possible to replace it with a newer card, unfortunately, it only seems to work for French people.


You may ask yourself, if this is already possible why won't Apple let me do it ? Since I liked your use of the font and color tools so much i decided to hide the answer somewhere in my post, I set the color to match the background and used a trick to make the font as tiny as possible. All you have to do is find it and you'll know all



PS stop breaking the crayons

 

[gehrbox]

PS stop breaking the crayons

The force is strong with this one.

 

[alam]

Tsk tsk, not so fast there young man, the 24" iMac happens to use an mxm connector for its graphics card, and it is possible to replace it with a newer card, unfortunately, it only seems to work for French people.


You may ask yourself, if this is already possible why won't Apple let me do it ? Since I liked your use of the font and color tools so much i decided to hide the answer somewhere in my post, I set the color to match the background and used a trick to make the font as tiny as possible. All you have to do is find it and you'll know all



PS stop breaking the crayons

but if the dream is coming true, then my summer is gonna to paris to find that guy
my dad speaks french so i'm gonna try to use his help

 

[.Chris]

I agree...

Well, if you ask me, an iMac with a 3.06Ghz CPU and Nvidia 8800GS card is pretty Pro to me. And, I see no reason why they would have a higher end iMac, when they already have what they have. They need to work more on the low end, because the Mini is a really sorry excuse for a "low-end" computer. $600 and not even a Superdrive? Puh-lease. I don't see why they should expand the iMac line, unless they expand it to have an education type one, like they had with the 17" model.

Even when the imac is not maxed out on specs, it still is a fast system and looks and fells pro to me as well as many others....

If they were to expand the imac line, it would most like be for schools. The look will be the same but things such as the isight, mic, and glossy finishes would be removed

 

[alphaod]

AND THEY CANT MAKE THE IMACS GPUS UPGRADABLE!!!!
THIS SUCKS!!!!​

The iMac is a home computer; nobody cares about upgrading a damn home computer.

 

[alam]

The iMac is a home computer; nobody cares about upgrading a damn home computer.

so the mac mini and the macbook and the macbook pro and mac pro can be a home computer duuuuuh!!! it's a personal thing!!

and by the way, upgrading is one of the important things to stay with the technology and to save money, unless if your gonna pay each 1-2 year between 1500$-2199$, then you better start saving money for your entire life

unless if you wanna go for the big machines like the mac pro then were talking about saving some few bucks, but your gonna lose some space on your desk and loss all in one option

 

[JML42691]

so the mac mini and the macbook and the macbook pro and mac pro can be a home computer duuuuuh!!! it's a personal thing!!

and by the way, upgrading is one of the important things to stay with the technology and to save money, unless if your gonna pay each 1-2 year between 1500$-2199$, then you better start saving money for your entire life

unless if you wanna go for the big machines like the mac pro then were talking about saving some few bucks, but your gonna lose some space on your desk and loss all in one option

Apple's aren't computers that need to be upgraded every 1-2 years. They last a lot longer than PC's do, and the price also reflects it. And that $1500-$2000 wouldn't be a computer that needs to be replaced ever 2 years or so, a PC that was bought for $500 would, but not a Mac for a that price. If used properly, then a Mac can last 4-5 years at least. And if you are using it for general everyday normal use (i.e. mail, internet, chatting, average photo/music management, ect.) then there isn't really anything that you would need to upgrade (with the exception of RAM). Most people aren't using their computers in a way that would need to make a major graphics card upgrade at all, and for those that would, then a Mac Pro would suit them.

 

[26139]

Uh...

i don't know about this but it's unethical for the customers

How is it unethical? You're asking for the much talked about mid-range tower that will never happen.

You can't make an upgradeable iMac, the design of the case just doesn't allow for the flexibility. You want more control? Buy a lower-end Mac pro and be done with it. Very few pros want a built-in screen, anyway.

 

[stracky]

and by the way, upgrading is one of the important things to stay with the technology and to save money, unless if your gonna pay each 1-2 year between 1500$-2199$, then you better start saving money for your entire life

alam, if you pitch an idea to apple about how you can save their consumners money, ie not spending as much money on apple products, do you really think that they will see that as a good idea?

apple is in the business of making money, they do this by selling computers and associated stuff. but at the end of the day, the company wants to make money. im sure they take pride in the fact they make very good computers, they are making a premium product for a market that says it wants a premium product. even a mac mini, although its cheap, has a level of detail in it that places it as a premium to its competitors. its like comparing mercedes cars with ford cars.

apple has an excellent price breakdown versus product spec, which encourages you to spend more for more spec. (and limiting the potential of some products is a key to this). This is why an imac pro wont eventuate as you want it. if apple gave you an imac pro, why would anyone buy a mac pro?? an imac pro would have to be cheaper than a mac pro, so if an imac pro did exist that would mean a large amount of mac pro buyers would possibly buy the imac pro and apple would make less profit. the closest i think you will get to what you want, is a BTO premium graphics card.

you would be suprised how many people buy a new apple every year. you be suprised how many people have multiple apple computers they use. just look at peoples signatures!!! i have an MBP 2 years old, a imac 1 year old, and im looking to get a new imac later in the year to replace this one.

and for your proposed idea, to me it looks like a normal computer (PC type) but instead of one box, now you have 2?? that would mean more fabrication/materials/cost and hence a more expensive computer to buy.

 

[alam]

alam, if you pitch an idea to apple about how you can save their consumners money, ie not spending as much money on apple products, do you really think that they will see that as a good idea?

apple is in the business of making money, they do this by selling computers and associated stuff. but at the end of the day, the company wants to make money. im sure they take pride in the fact they make very good computers, they are making a premium product for a market that says it wants a premium product. even a mac mini, although its cheap, has a level of detail in it that places it as a premium to its competitors. its like comparing mercedes cars with ford cars.

apple has an excellent price breakdown versus product spec, which encourages you to spend more for more spec. (and limiting the potential of some products is a key to this). This is why an imac pro wont eventuate as you want it. if apple gave you an imac pro, why would anyone buy a mac pro?? an imac pro would have to be cheaper than a mac pro, so if an imac pro did exist that would mean a large amount of mac pro buyers would possibly buy the imac pro and apple would make less profit. the closest i think you will get to what you want, is a BTO premium graphics card.

you would be suprised how many people buy a new apple every year. you be suprised how many people have multiple apple computers they use. just look at peoples signatures!!! i have an MBP 2 years old, a imac 1 year old, and im looking to get a new imac later in the year to replace this one.

and for your proposed idea, to me it looks like a normal computer (PC type) but instead of one box, now you have 2?? that would mean more fabrication/materials/cost and hence a more expensive computer to buy.

well in the end you where right you make now sounds more reasonable, unlike JML42691 always complimenting about my smiles and the way of writing and not about my thoughts
the thing that i'm angry about the imac is that i bought my imac just before the new imac is was released in 1.5 months, and no body worn me about it.
but from now and on i'll fighting with my dad to buy a new mac pro and give my imac to my mom.... she definitely don't want a high end graphic she likes to play peggle she is a freak for this game, she plays it more than play with my xbox 360 loollool

but the problem is that the apple display prices are high, i don't think it's reasnoble to pay 899$ for the 23 inch, and the 30 inch for 1799$, thats way out of discussion, while i can instead a have a 24 inch DELL E248WFP for only 389$

does anybody know a better idea or a suggestion??

 

[chrisdee]

Some of us are using resource intensive application like ProTools and virtual instruments. So dont come and say that is no need for better hardware in the IMAC line.

I have a dual core 2.1Ghz Intel based CPU on my 20" imac, and in practice
it's not enough to run multiple virtual instruments and over several tracks in Pro Tools. I would really benifit from a multi core cpu with 4, 8 or more cores,
and there are many of us using this software system.

Not to talk about video rendering wich needs way more hardware power
to work fast and efficient.

 

[26139]

So...

Some of us are using resource intensive application like ProTools and virtual instruments. So dont come and say that is no need for better hardware in the IMAC line.

I have a dual core 2.1Ghz Intel based CPU on my 20" imac, and in practice
it's not enough to run multiple virtual instruments and over several tracks in Pro Tools. I would really benifit from a multi core cpu with 4, 8 or more cores,
and there are many of us using this software system.

Not to talk about video rendering wich needs way more hardware power
to work fast and efficient.

Then buy a Mac Pro. Duh.

 

[jodelli]

its like comparing mercedes cars with ford cars.

Ok, I go to the local Mercedes dealer, who carries Smart cars priced thousands more than an Aveo marketed by GM.
The Smart car has a coolness factor, and gets phenomenal mileage. But the Aveo gets very good mileage and has room to expand(passenger and luggage capacity).
If I want to expand the Smart car I'll have to buy a trailer(external storage).

Practicality sometimes trumps leading edge cool.

BTW, I like iMacs just fine.

 

[Artmuzz]

Then buy a Mac Pro. Duh.

Not all of us are rich and have more important things to spend hard earned cash on.

Like the poster you quoted, I use my iMac aluminum 2.0Ghz for making music and feel rather disappointed with my iMac. For the price I spent on it, I could of bought a fast Intel Quad Core PC and have money left but I had faith in Apple telling me that their computers (even the iMac base model) are the best for music making and production because all the pros use Macs.

So why am I disappointed? Heres why......

The performances of my iMac is not as good as I thought it would be with using Logic Pro and GarageBand even with using 2GB of ram. I also get annoyed with Apple when after I spend all that money on an iMac - they release a newer iMac only several months later which means spending more hard earned cash.

Why don't Apple just release one Mac computer and when new technology arrives all you need to do is buy the parts to install. It would work out cheaper for the customer and Apple would sell alot of computers and be alot more popular than the Dells, HPs, Microsofts etc of the world.

You maybe thinking "Well why don't you stick to PC then?" well the simple answer is that I prefer Mac OSX to any of the Microsoft Windows and Logic Pro is one of the best music production softwares I have used.

 

[mr.light]

I've never seen the need to upgrade an iMac ( beyond adding RAM). It's a home computer and does everything it's supposed to do. And does it very well!
To make it upgradeable would be to make a much larger and uglier (read Dell etc.) box. If you want upgradeable get a Mac Pro. Upgrading an iMac to the specs of a Pro is not going to be a whole lot cheaper.

 

[krnageskillz]

An iMac is an iMac and thats all there is to it. Maybe there should be something between an iMac and a Mac Pro I dunno..

 

[allymac]

An iMac is an iMac and thats all there is to it. Maybe there should be something between an iMac and a Mac Pro I dunno..

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I don't want an iMac full stop and definately think an iMac pro would be a bad move.

I don't like the iMac screens - not just the glossy thing but I don't like the height and positioning. I can't afford a Mac pro and Mac mini won't meet my requirements. Which just leaves the Mac books in my price bracket.

Why can't they make a tower based machine aimed at the high end consumer market instead of the Mac Pro aimed at graphic design companies with loads of cash?

 

[JML42691]

well in the end you where right you make now sounds more reasonable, unlike JML42691 always complimenting about my smiles and the way of writing and not about my thoughts ...

I'm sorry, but before you go out calling personal shots at someone, you might want to make sure what you are saying is correct. You claim that I am discussing your writing style more than your wish for an iMac Pro or similar device, lets look at the numbers. In this thread, I have made 2 sentences regarding your writing style, I know that it seems a little much, but I was attempting to give a little advice, as you seem to be somewhat new to the forums. Now to the numbers as to my thoughts about the iMac Pro and other related issues, I seem to have made 22 sentences regarding the iMac Pro up until this post. That is an 11:1 iMac Pro comment to writing style comment ratio, quite different from what you claim I have said. Before you go and make statements about how I am more concerned with my "always complimenting about your smiles and the way of writing and not about your thoughts " you might want to make sure what you are saying is correct.

And stracky makes an excellent point about the market for two upgradable devices, Apple would only be competing with themselves and would end up making less money in the long run.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

yeah, looks for only mass use.

what a great buy though, $899... i wish my old high school was mac based.. ****.

Mine is

We're buying 30 of the 24" 3 GHz iMac's for next year. We threw out all the decade old PCs we'd been using for an AutoCAD class... it's been replaced with a class on Final Cut Pro. I was the first to sign up.

Oh, wait, only two of the AutoCAD periods were replaced with it. For the other two AutoCAD classes we're going to use bootcamp to boot into XP for AutoCAD. I'm not signed up for that (I took AutoCAD architecture at the start of this year... wasn't all that great... it was my first time to be exposed to windows... I hated it... and now I'm sticking with Macs.

 

[alam]

I'm sorry, but before you go out calling personal shots at someone, you might want to make sure what you are saying is correct. You claim that I am discussing your writing style more than your wish for an iMac Pro or similar device, lets look at the numbers. In this thread, I have made 2 sentences regarding your writing style, I know that it seems a little much, but I was attempting to give a little advice, as you seem to be somewhat new to the forums. Now to the numbers as to my thoughts about the iMac Pro and other related issues, I seem to have made 22 sentences regarding the iMac Pro up until this post. That is an 11:1 iMac Pro comment to writing style comment ratio, quite different from what you claim I have said. Before you go and make statements about how I am more concerned with my "always complimenting about your smiles and the way of writing and not about your thoughts " you might want to make sure what you are saying is correct.

And stracky makes an excellent point about the market for two upgradable devices, Apple would only be competing with themselves and would end up making less money in the long run.

do u hate me or god sent you to criticize me, please stop talking about me, here have some smile fight , and by the way... i didn't ask for advice from anyone, i was asking for thoughts and ideas, but there are some people just want to stick there noses in the wrong places .

and there are some people liked my idea or want more upgrades for the imacs not just the ram and hard drive, imagine that i need to transfer from imac to mac pro, lets talk about the prices:-

1_ 2700$ for the mac pro.
2_ +150$ for the 8800.
3_ +899$ for the 23 inch screen that's almost the price of a new imac student version (please don't tell i should go for 20 beacuse it's cheaper.. it's not 599$ is still not cheep)
4_ +49$ wireless chip (i don't understand why it's optional, it should ne standard )

and the total is= 3798$ and i still didn't the taxes yet --> and thats almost 14,242 R.S (saudi currency) without the taxes but look what did this instead to save:-
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/470524/
hacintoash, he is using the osx illegally for saving money, and trust me there are lots of people doing the same thing, and thats a problem for apple.

do you know what i can do with that kind of money????
i can buy a god damn car (1999 or 2000 toyota car).

and all of that just to keep upgrading my GPU drive to keep playing games on my mac, hell to the macs, i can buy an xbox for 300$ for the console and play even more games

so it's like apple is telling me: (if you want our osx and a mac in your way, then you have to pay) yah lot's and lot's of money.

i mean guys, i live in saudi arabia, and the gas prices are cheaper than a burger meal in macdonal or even water, you american should be doing more than what i'm doing for dropping the prices to save some money .

 

[kster]

its called the Mac Pro.

 

[JML42691]

do u hate me or god sent you to criticize me, please stop talking about me, here have some smile fight , and by the way... i didn't ask for advice from anyone, i was asking for thoughts and ideas, but there are some people just want to stick there noses in the wrong places.

and there are some people liked my idea or want more upgrades for the imacs not just the ram and hard drive, imagine that i need to transfer from imac to mac pro, lets talk about the prices:-

1_ 2700$ for the mac pro.
2_ +150$ for the 8800.
3_ +899$ for the 23 inch screen that's almost the price of a new imac student version (please don't tell i should go for 20 beacuse it's cheaper.. it's not 599$ is still not cheep)
4_ +49$ wireless chip (i don't understand why it's optional, it should ne standard )

and the total is= 3798$ and i still didn't the taxes yet --> and thats almost 14,242 R.S (saudi currency) without the taxes but look what did this instead to save:-
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/470524/
hacintoash, he is using the osx illegally for saving money, and trust me there are lots of people doing the same thing, and thats a problem for apple.

do you know what i can do with that kind of money????
i can buy a god damn car (1999 or 2000 toyota car).

and all of that just to keep upgrading my GPU drive to keep playing games on my mac, hell to the macs, i can buy an xbox for 300$ for the console and play even more games:

so it's like apple is telling me: (if you want our osx and a mac in your way, then you have to pay) yah lot's and lot's of money.

i mean guys, i live in saudi arabia, and the gas prices are cheaper than a burger meal in macdonal or even water, you american should be doing more than what i'm doing for dropping the prices to save some money.

Fine, I'll cease any future mention of smilies if that makes you happy. But it comes down to the point that for Apple it doesn't make any sense to have two upgradable computers competing against each other. Especially when only about 5% of the users would be upgrading anything other than the graphics card. And the size of an iMac Pro would be absurd, you are talking about a computer that is essentially an old desktop PC tower with a monitor attached to it in some way. It would be a near impossibility of a good design, and it would be so thick that somebody would have trouble fitting it on a desk. Granted, the hugely-coveted larger mac-mini would be a computer that I can definitely see happening, but not an upgradable all-in-one. And in means of your Mac Pro pricing, I completely understand why you feel that way, but there isn't a necessity to have an ACD, you could always do with another display now, and then upgrade to an ACD if you really feel the need to have one in 2/3 years.

But on a side note, what is the price for gas over there? I just filled up for $4.09 a gallon which is a major change for the car I'm driving (figuring that the gas average was about $1.40 when it was purchased).

 

[26139]

whoa whoa

i mean guys, i live in saudi arabia, and the gas prices are cheaper than a burger meal in macdonal or even water, you american should be doing more than what i'm doing for dropping the prices to save some money .

Whoa, whoa. We don't have any money because we spent it all defending countries like you that are still using slingshots.

Not saying the spending is justified, but you damn well better be thankful.

 

[26139]

yeah, but..

but the problem is that the apple display prices are high, i don't think it's reasnoble to pay 899$ for the 23 inch, and the 30 inch for 1799$, thats way out of discussion, while i can instead a have a 24 inch DELL E248WFP for only 389$

does anybody know a better idea or a suggestion??

I'm pretty sure you can buy any monitor to run with a mac pro. You're not required to buy an Apple monitor, man.