You are correct. I was just about to post a "That's What She Said" before I read your post.
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Will Apple fill their infamous gaping lineup hole?
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You are correct. I was just about to post a "That's What She Said" before I read your post.
What is in it for Apple doing what you want? (I mean, what business sense does it make for Apple to make a machine that people will happily settle for when today they instead purchase a more expensive machine?)
I didnt purchase a more expensive machine. They lost a sale to me and I doubt im the only one
How do you know people happily settle for a higher priced machine? sounds like a conjecture to me. The question that needs to be asked is how many sales has apple lost out on because of no mid range mac
Once again, I'll ask why do people feel that Apple will never change its lineup and what they have now is the perfect solution? Don't you remember when people thought apple had no business going into the music or phone industry?
I don't know if YOU happily settled but the numbers are growing rapidly and $25 billion in the bank says the strategy is working. I suppose you could argue it COULD have been $35 billion, but I think if they offered that product it would massively cannibalize sales of their high profit items and do more harm to profit margins than they would gain in additional sales that are currently 'lost'.
Both sides are conjecture, but they obviously are choosing not to do it and they must have a good reason for doing it, despite our pleas for an xMac (and trust me, I'd want one also)
A sale lost to you on a low-end and likely low-margin machine, versus how many cannibalized sales of higher-end units at higher margins? A question I am sure that has been pondered in Cupertino.
Mac Pro, Mac mini, meet your long lost middle sibling; Mac.
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Google PowerMac G4 Cube, that is why Apple won't go down that route again...
That product just did not sell because no one wanted a mid-range tower from Apple then. I have a feeling that it won't work now.
We'd be happy to pay the cost of an iMac 20" (sans display) in a mini-tower with room for two hard drives and two video ports. Heck, you can even build it on Santa Rosa or 9400m. Give us a socketed 775 mobo or the like and we'd even pay a few hundred bucks more. That would preserve Apple's profit margin just fine. Few of us need server-grade processors in our desktop computers.
Apple has done in this in the past and it simply didn't sell. Check out the history on the single processor G5 PowerMac. People like you say that this is all that Apple needs to do, and in the past when they have tried the market has spoken and rejected the price point. And therein lies the slippery slope.
The PMG5 is equivalent to today's Mac Pro. It is a full sized tower that we're not interested in. We want a mid-tower that can accommodate two 3.5" SATA drives and provide dual output.
If you're still thinking in terms of 2003, then you will never get it. Markets change, and they have changed dramatically for Apple since then. Back then, there were few people who would consider switching from Windows. Now, because of Vista and the halo effect, many more people are willing to give Macs a try. Apple has Microsoft by the jugular, and it's going to let them go.
Yea, apples just going to die without releasing a mid tower.....
As for "having microsoft by the jugular", somehow I dont think a mid tower is going to kill microsoft. Apple is apparantly perfectly content putting out the products they want to and enjoying the fact that this strategy, going it out the way they want, is still gaining them marketshare.
As for "having microsoft by the jugular", somehow I dont think a mid tower is going to kill microsoft. Apple is apparantly perfectly content putting out the products they want to and enjoying the fact that this strategy, going it out the way they want, is still gaining them marketshare.
Yea, apples just going to die without releasing a mid tower.....
Show me where I made such a statement. You shouldn't go around making $h!t up.
Those who are not switching are those who cannot get a mid-size tower, which is the great majority of PC users.
Yeah, you mean like the App Store? Apple only came up with that because of the iPhone Dev Team jailbreaking the iPhone. Once that occurred, people were writing remarkable apps that people could install and run without having to abide by Apple's anemic "web" apps. Apple learned their lesson. Maybe us hackintoshers will make Apple realize the error in their ways in the Mac market. But I'm not holding my breath.
Yea, apples just going to die without releasing a mid tower.....
As for "having microsoft by the jugular", somehow I dont think a mid tower is going to kill microsoft. Apple is apparantly perfectly content putting out the products they want to and enjoying the fact that this strategy, going it out the way they want, is still gaining them marketshare.
they were perfectly content putting out products before they decided to release an ipod
they were perfectly content with thier offerings before they released the iphone
they were perfectly content with their offerings before they released the apple tv
they were perfectly content with their offerings before they released a 17in powerbook
they were perfectly ok with no apps added to iphones before the app store
do i need to make the point some more? apple will not stagnate in terms of its offerings and any notion that they will from here on out is silly
why is it unbelievable to want apple to release a mid range mac? is it just because they dont have one out now and because they dont have one out now, that means they never will?
My god you are confrontational, where in my post was that directed to you?
It was meant for all the people in here that are constantly predicting the death of apple if it doesnt make a product x, y , or z.
As for errors in their ways, ITS WORKING! Apple is making money hand over fist. They are well aware of the potential out there, just because they don't want to capitalize on it doesn't mean they are making a mistake.
All I've been trying to do is point out the ridiculous claims of those that apple will fail without releasing one. I've taken no stance for or against a mid tower.
i have yet to read any such notion for this "claim"
no one is saying apple is failing
lol ok, id beg to differ
where are you reading that apple will fail if they dont make a mid tower? i know i do not think that way at all yet merely wishing apple will provide a solution
i have read in this thread that any such "support/reasoning" for a mid tower mac is instantly shot down by die hard apple lovers who think apple can do no wrong and since they have no mid tower now, there clearly is no need and thus wanting one is foolish
That product just did not sell because no one wanted a mid-range tower from Apple then. I have a feeling that it won't work now.
An $1800 (or $2200!) desktop was "midrange"? In 2001?
The only midrange product Apple makes in the Mini, and its a mid priced, but Boutique item, pushing size and styling far over functionality.
The Cube failed because it was priced at least 30% too high. It was deeply compromised compared to the low end Powermac, yet only slightly less expensive.
Shockingly, no-one would want to buy the much demanded xMac if it was equivalently priced today around $2200.
Mac Pro, Mac mini, meet your long lost middle sibling; Mac.
Um, is there any reason it only has 3 DDR3 sockets?
Whoever rendered that mockup should do a little bit of research on dual-channel RAM and stop pulling numbers out of their unseen orifaces.
The argument that most people who use PCs aren't switching to Apple because Apple hasn't made a mini-tower is inaccurate. The truer argument is that most PC users who are leaning towards getting a Mac, that want expandability, that haven't gotten one yet, won't get one until Mac makes a mini-tower. And even that statement is not totally accurate.
The one thing people are most resistant to is change. We live in a PC world, where Mac is mostly misunderstood by the masses of people. I bought my first Mac for my son 2 years ago, and since then bought a MacBook for myself and an Imac for the family this year. I will never go back to PC. However, I've had plenty of arguments, with friends, about buying a Mac. I've heard many reasons not to buy, including: Too expensive, Don't want to learn how to use a new system, I'm accustomed to Windows and like Windows, etc. I have never heard the mini-tower argument.
The one thing people are most resistant to is change. We live in a PC world, where Mac is mostly misunderstood by the masses of people. I bought my first Mac for my son 2 years ago, and since then bought a MacBook for myself and an Imac for the family this year. I will never go back to PC. However, I've had plenty of arguments, with friends, about buying a Mac. I've heard many reasons not to buy, including: Too expensive, Don't want to learn how to use a new system, I'm accustomed to Windows and like Windows, etc. I have never heard the mini-tower argument.
Um, is there any reason it only has 3 DDR3 sockets?
Whoever rendered that mockup should do a little bit of research on dual-channel RAM and stop pulling numbers out of their unseen orifaces.
Yeah, Nehalem uses tri-channel RAM. Whoever thinks that dual-channel is still cutting edge should do a little bit of research on Nehalem.
iMacs rule and have more then enough juice for most folks. I wonder why Apple even bothers with MacPro with what imac can do. A new Mini & iMac makes for a great lineup.
The all i one imac sure makes for a clean desk, ends all the cable clutter and still has more then enough power to enjoy even AAA gaming.
The all i one imac sure makes for a clean desk, ends all the cable clutter and still has more then enough power to enjoy even AAA gaming.
Your comments on the Mini are total BS.
The one I've had for over 4 years has served as a desktop and it has done a fine job. This forum needs a BS meter....it would be pegged in this thread.