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Not only for HT use...

I want to use it as desktop computer with my own non-APPLE IPS 24'' monitor (this is a cheaper solution instead of purchasing an expensive iMac - with great performance!).
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yeah the 2012 quad is pretty much good for that. I have one of them I do not see the need to replace it. I also have a diy pc for the gaming that I do. (very little of it but every once in a while)
 
I expect the mini will keep around another few years. I am under the impression (based on no tangible facts), that the Mini is selling predominantly over internet-channels, so while your friend's impressions may be factual, they do not show the entire picture.
I just purchased the entry level model from Amazon along with a wireless kybd.
 
What possible difference does it make if they're both portable? One's a computer, the other isn't. Your iPad doesn't care what kind of computer it syncs with and your MacBook isn't a dog - it doesn't mind if you leave it in the house all day and night.

My MacBook is a core 2 duo at 2 Ghz, with 2G of RAM.


So it kinda *is* a dog...
 
Retail sales arent always telling much of a story either. I would never go to an apple store to get a mac mini or imac or mac pro, i would sit at home wit my school, or work discount and order it to my door, taxes are cheaper, no mall hassle, and i dont have to waste time and gas going there.

i would guess ipads are #1 seller, iphone #2, macbooks #3, and a mix of everything else accounting for 10% of retail selling.

I have bought every ipod i have at the retail store though, minimal tax difference, small purchase and typically do it on my lunch break or while im there.

I plan on buying 3 new mac minis once they update the processor, I want one for my office at home, my wife can use one for her office at home, and one for the kids to have for school work.

my macbook pro will be my main computer still, i have pondered getting a 4th mini to use as a HTPC, but i think im getting a synology NAS that has an itunes server built in for that use instead..

the mac mini going away would be pretty devistating for me.. buying 3 iMacs would be more than double the cost and probably make me buy less units...
 
Not only for HT use...

I want to use it as desktop computer with my own non-APPLE IPS 24'' monitor (this is a cheaper solution instead of purchasing an expensive iMac - with great performance!).
:cool:

This is exactly how I use it... I have two non-APPLE IPS monitors connected to it and it does everything i throw at it very well...
 
This is exactly how I use it... I have two non-APPLE IPS monitors connected to it and it does everything i throw at it very well...

APPLE may have understood it....iMac market needs new customers!

Let's hope APPLE will redesign the mini MAC before Apr.2014 with Haswell processors + Iris (Pro) graphics + PCIe SSD + higher RAM + Wi-Fi ac + TB2/USB3.1...;)
 
When my wife first told me that she wanted to get a Mac Mini, back in 2005 when we were still living and working as ESL teachers in South Korea, I was sceptical. Up until that point, I had been introduced to Macs mostly through her, and grown to really like OSX and had begun to use it for almost everything (except gaming). However, other than our old Mac laptop that I admittedly had had fond memories of, I had up until that time generally disliked options for Mac PCs. When briefly considering iMacs, for example, I preferred to pick my own monitor or monitors and disliked the idea of it being made a part of the all-in-one design. I saw advantages to ‘all-in-one’ designs in cases of portable machines, and even for desktops to a point, but had always felt that Apple went too far (for me and my tastes) with computers like the iMac.

I quickly grew to like that Mac mini, though. It became our media machine and our computer for everything except gaming. When we moved back to Canada, it was no trouble to pack it up and bring it with us. In 2009 we replaced it with another Mac mini (early 2009 model) and we are still using that computer to this day. I’ve been aching to replace it, more for the lack of Thunderbolt ports and an HDMI port than anything else. It still works for what we got it for. The potential of a future upgrade, of maybe Iris graphics and a significantly better processor, has kept us waiting. I never cared that the optical drive was removed in later models. We actually have a much better external DVD drive connected to our 2009 model, and these days we almost never need to use that either.

For me, the current 2012 mini struck a very good balance between what is desirable to be made a part of an all-in-one design. Everything you need to have a ‘semi-portable’ computer is there. On the one hand, something easy and light to gently toss in a bag and take between one sit-down workstation and another (two places where there already are keyboards, monitors, external DVD drives, external hard drives for extra storage). It’s not a laptop, but these days my iPad mini adequately handles anything I would need a laptop for while on-the-go anyways. I do almost all of my ‘heavy’ computer work when sitting at a desktop setup and when I use my work-provided laptop I always connect it to external keyboards and monitors (pretty much negating the clamshell design). On the other hand, the Mac mini also encapsulates almost everything I tend to replace these days when I upgrade a non-gaming PC, and it leaves everything that I don’t want to replace, want to continue using, and not repurchase (monitors, keyboards, disc drives, extra storage drives, etc.) as ‘separate’. I know you can do that with towers, but I haven't torn apart and reassembled a PC tower in years. Even these days, we haven’t once upgraded our current Windows PC gaming machine since we got it. Gone seem to be the days for us of needing to swap out for a new video card in order to play the new year’s crop of games. Then again, we might just be out of it and not as much into gaming these days. It seems with the Mac mini, you can be good to go for a long time.

In a way, the Mac Pro was within my ‘taste spectrum’, and the new 2013 Mac Pro might be moving even more towards my kind of preferred desktop machine. However, for that kind of money, it did and still does remain outside of any realistic computer purchase for me. It’s too expensive for us. The Mac mini on the other hand gave me considerable bang for my buck, even if it was a modest computer when compared to some.

Currently, I still need a desktop machine. Maybe that will someday change, but it hasn't yet. The Mac mini has been a great choice for me and my wife for that purpose. If it someday had processing and graphics capabilities (either intrinsically or through Thunderbolt add-ons if they can make that feasible someday) to handle the occasional high-end game or more intensive software applications, then we would not need anything else for a desktop.

So long as the computer landscape remains the similar to how it is now, the Mac mini is not only THE computer my wife and I want to buy from Apple, it’s quite frankly the only desktop PC we wish to buy from Apple. So, I hope they keep it going…

Now, if they can re-invent it. Make it even better? That’s something I’d like to keep an open mind about. :)
 
I would be interested in knowing the age break down of mini buyers....if young people aren't a good portion of that mix,I could see why apple might slowly faze the mini out.

Also with a number of cheap ($200ish) chromeboxes being announced in the last few weeks (asus,hp ect),apple might simply give up on the low end desktop and concentrate on more premium products,where the profit margin (something apple always goes after in product sales) are much greater.
 
I would be interested in knowing the age break down of mini buyers....if young people aren't a good portion of that mix,I could see why apple might slowly faze the mini out.

Also with a number of cheap ($200ish) chromeboxes being announced in the last few weeks (asus,hp ect),apple might simply give up on the low end desktop and concentrate on more premium products,where the profit margin (something apple always goes after in product sales) are much greater.


No way will Chrome boxes take off. Can you say Netbook? We'll see.
 
No way will Chrome boxes take off. Can you say Netbook? We'll see.

Maybe not,but this along with today announcement that ms is cutting windows to $15 fee to device makers of tech devices that are $250 or less,this could hurt mini sales.Add to fact that the mini probably takes sales away from the Imac,and as I said earlier,apple is all about profit margins...what advantage $$$ wise if there for apple to continue making the mini?
 
I would be interested in knowing the age break down of mini buyers....if young people aren't a good portion of that mix,I could see why apple might slowly faze the mini out.

Also with a number of cheap ($200ish) chromeboxes being announced in the last few weeks (asus,hp ect),apple might simply give up on the low end desktop and concentrate on more premium products,where the profit margin (something apple always goes after in product sales) are much greater.

I've owned a chrome box and two chromebooks, they're extremely limited compared to a desktop machine. ChromeOS is, in my opinion, little more than a glorified web browser.

If Apple ever does let the mini go I hope they wait until after I buy one.
 
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Look at apples qtr by qtr revenue, once a line gets updated, the revenue for that qtr shoots up. In looking at the mini, it's versions are now measured in 'years since the last update'. So, of course, it doesn't sell well. It's a chicken or the egg kinda of thing at this point.

Also, the last thing apple wants is for it's lowest price computer to be a compelling option, compared to the more expensive models. So the mini will always be the red-headed step child in the apple lineup. With intel pushing power efficiency over performance in the last couple of years, apple has to find some way to make the minis look/feel/act like a dog compared to the more expensive models. My guess would be a NON user upgradeable version where you are stuck with the RAM/SSD/HDD it comes with. That and/or an iGPU that is less than what we desire.

The upsell game is really getting annoying for those of us who want a mini, but don't feel like being taken for buying 2 year old tech at full price.
 
Apple would make a killing if they made the thing plastic and with colors like the iphone 5c
Like the late 90's macs
Make it cheaper , schools and other places would buy them in bulk

I think that's a cool idea. Make the mini all nice and colourful and cost-effective, then have a 'mac' that sits between the mini and the pro for those of us that want the power of an iMac but without the screen.
 
I think that's a cool idea. Make the mini all nice and colourful and cost-effective, then have a 'mac' that sits between the mini and the pro for those of us that want the power of an iMac but without the screen.

Exactly! A taller aluminum mini with the same GPU/CPU options available in a 21.5' iMac would be great. If that was available I would have two rather than a 2012 mini and a 2010 Mac Pro.
 
I still say the mini brings people in to the OSX arena to play due to price and the fact they can use current monitors etc.

Does anyone have ACTUAL sales figures? Is it really such a dog for profits?

Small desktop computers are IN. See Intel NUC. Gigabyte Brix.
 
I still say the mini brings people in to the OSX arena to play due to price and the fact they can use current monitors etc.

In fact some users choose a mini over a higher-performing iMac specifically so they can use more capable monitors. In my case I use a Samsung 24' because it is mat and it has two inputs. When the Mac Pro and mini are both on one of them is selected, the other one is in the background. It's very convenient.
 
Also with a number of cheap ($200ish) chromeboxes being announced in the last few weeks (asus,hp ect),apple might simply give up on the low end desktop and concentrate on more premium products
Compared to $200ish computers, the mini already _is_ a premium product... ;):D
 
No.

Instead, they need a bridge machine to Mac Pro.
Upgradeable 3.5" HD bays, option for vertical positioning, larger chassis to house more HD for RAID purposes (some folks just do not want eternal storage daisy chained all over the place), Apple Cinema display with USB slot on the side and HDMI input for gaming console, blurry player and what not.
 
In fact some users choose a mini over a higher-performing iMac specifically so they can use more capable monitors. In my case I use a Samsung 24' because it is mat and it has two inputs. When the Mac Pro and mini are both on one of them is selected, the other one is in the background. It's very convenient.

Precisely.
 
really?

Fact remains that iMacs vastly outsell Minis and MacBooks vastly outsell iMacs. Most people switching from Windows buy MacBooks. Most of the ones who don't, buy iMacs. And Minis? They're bought by Mac enthusiasts. The rest of the world doesn't even know they exist.

Based on what statistics? Where do you get this numbers from - Apple does not publish them????? If you look at top sells for macs in stores(like amazon and b&hphoto and so on) that actually publish this numbers you will have a shock. The BEST selling mac IS THE MAC MINI. This is why Apple does not want to update them too often and criple their graphics as much as they can. Because is the number one selling machine in Apple ecosystem. And they don't have the best margin for Apple. Is the same reason why they sealed the base iMac. On that category, the base iMac is the number 1 selling machine. So they try to force buyers to they higher end models, for best profits. In my book this is bad business, in Apple's own book is only way to do it. They need hefty profit margins to stay alive. What happend to Dell it's the proof that Apple may have a point here.....
 
Exactly! A taller aluminum mini with the same GPU/CPU options available in a 21.5' iMac would be great. If that was available I would have two rather than a 2012 mini and a 2010 Mac Pro.

And your post explains EXACTLY why it will never be available. Up selling is the way of Apple.
 
Based on what statistics? Where do you get this numbers from - Apple does not publish them????? If you look at top sells for macs in stores(like amazon and b&hphoto and so on) that actually publish this numbers you will have a shock. The BEST selling mac IS THE MAC MINI. This is why Apple does not want to update them too often and criple their graphics as much as they can. Because is the number one selling machine in Apple ecosystem. And they don't have the best margin for Apple. Is the same reason why they sealed the base iMac. On that category, the base iMac is the number 1 selling machine. So they try to force buyers to they higher end models, for best profits. In my book this is bad business, in Apple's own book is only way to do it. They need hefty profit margins to stay alive. What happend to Dell it's the proof that Apple may have a point here.....

Your post is very funny. You *DO* realize that Amazon and B&H are not even close to being the primary sales outlets for Macs. If you want to believe that the Mini is the best-selling Mac, enjoy yourself. Far be it from me to spoil your fun and conspiracy theories.
 
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