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do you have a legitimate reason to believe so or are you just talking out of your ass?
Poor english, half the page in russian, just launched within the last day or so, total GUI rip of the MAS, and the screenshots include apps that don't feasibly belong (Messages Beta being the big one.) So no, I'm not talking out of my ass, but I can see from your knee-jerk, angry reaction that you are.
It's been out for months now, not sure why you think it has only been out for a day. The english is perfect because, believe it or not, english was neither the first language in the world nor the only language in existence. Yes it looks like the MAS because that's the point, for it to look like it belongs. And they upload whatever they think is useful and not on the MAS already. I'm pretty sure this app made the MacRumors front page when it was released, MONTHS ago.
My mistake, April was the release. The english is horrible and that matters since the vast majority of the users of this app would be english speaking users. That plus if they can't be bothered to correctly translate their application, it shows a lack of discipline. The fact that it looks EXACTLY like the MAS leads me to believe they couldn't even be bothered to think of even a semi-original interface. All of this points to a rush job with little attention to details on a good day, a quick attempt to get own as many machines as possible as quickly as possible on a bad day. Bottom line, the entire thing is suspect and I caution anyone against using it, especially when everything in it could be found on the original developer's site, cutting out an intermediary that is shady at best, nefarious at worst. All this, and I question your interest in the service; are you a developer (and I use that term lightly since its a direct rip of the MAS)?
Sir, I am not a criminal, I am a pirate. There is a difrence, no one is being hurt with my act, and its not like speeding or something where some one can get hurt.
The only hurt some one would get if they were dumb and installed infected stuff
Pircay and being a criminal are not the same things
While I disagree with the logic behind piracy being a crime, it is indeed a definable crime in many countries.
Adobe sells apps in the MAS. Lightroom, Photoshop Elements, Premiere Elements, and Revel are all sold there. There are also scads of alternatives to their products on the MAS. For example, Pixelmator's way better than Photoshop for 90% of what Photoshop does, IMO, considering it costs $30 regularly and $14.99 when it's on sale. As far as Adobe's biggest-ticket items, they were in the middle of working on CS6 when the MAS came out, giving them little time to try and deal with the MAS-pushed changes. Not to mention they're trying out new revenue models (like subscription-paid apps).
As far as Office, Microsoft hasn't released a new version of the software since the MAS came out. Plus they hold their retailers to fairly insane margins, and they don't need the name recognition that the MAS provides.
Ironically, I think the only way the MAS would have quickly gotten stuff like Office and the Creative Suite is if Apple had done something the anti-MAS crowd would go absolutely nuts over: lock down the system to MAS apps only.
Not to mention, I don't think either of them feel like allowing their customers to only pay once and get as many downloads as they wish.
Anyway, this is off-topic. The thread's about freeware.
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You really think people shouldn't be able to sell art and software for money?
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People aren't physically getting hurt, but you're stealing their work. They made it in order to sell it for money, and you are taking it without paying them. That's what you are doing. What do you do for a living?
They are, actually. Legally, definitionally, they are the same thing.
I believe a content creator has a right to a fair compensation for their work. I don't believe that someone downloading an item deprives said creator of that, since its arguable if the downloader would have purchased in the first place. Nor do I believe in making such an act a criminal offense with greater penalties than taking physical goods.
There work okay, Im takinga coppy not stealing,
When in the hell is making a duplicate stealing?
Also about 90% of stuff thats pirated is from people with millions of dollers? Eh you know that?
Miscrosoft does not care people pirated 7, they tried to stop it but look it still works.
Apple never even botherd to stop it at all, they are competing aganst it trying to make a quick buck with the app store and itunes store. Because its so dam cheap
piracy is also a normal part of economics.
I downloaded all of the pink floyd albums, Well now I love then and I am buying there cd's and records.
I like james bond, I torrented the movies first and I like them so much I just buy emm,
software I wont pay at all for though,
When in the hell is making a duplicate stealing?
Also about 90% of stuff thats pirated is from people with millions of dollers? Eh you know that?
Miscrosoft does not care people pirated 7, they tried to stop it but look it still works.
Apple never even botherd to stop it at all, they are competing aganst it trying to make a quick buck with the app store and itunes store. Because its so dam cheap
piracy is also a normal part of economics.
I downloaded all of the pink floyd albums, Well now I love then and I am buying there cd's and records.
I like james bond, I torrented the movies first and I like them so much I just buy emm,
software I wont pay at all for though,
But you don't believe that they should decide what "fair" is. You believe people who don't feel like paying should just get to decide that "nothing" is fair, and that's that.
They may not have paid for it assuming piracy was not an available option. But with everything except for art and software, you either pay for something or you don't get to have it. That's a crucial part of economies.
Who said greater penalties in this discussion? How about just some penalities, some understanding that one should either pay the asking price or go elsewhere, not sneak back in the night and steal it?
Thanks for kind of helping out,
I don't see pirating as a bad thing, Look at how popular music like that dumb step is, Its all made off people wanting free stuff, Is any of it sold, I doubt much is, (could care less, I like my classic rock)
PIrating is a think to help everyone, do you think people like having to wait for movie\anime\ other big releases to be world wide or global, .ect
Pircay will help the world, sharing is careing after all
Seriously, this has nothing to do with the thread and is fairly obviously troll baiting, so this is the last response you'll get.
You are stealing. You're taking someone's work and you're not paying for it.
When you don't pay for the original.
This is an absurd claim. Sure, the big movie studio owners have millions of dollars. But they're not the only people from whom you're stealing when you steal a movie. You're also stealing from the actors, the writers, the people operating the cameras, the people running to get coffee for the other workers, the assistants, the extras, the grips, the cleaning crews, the makeup artists, and a host of other people who don't have millions of dollars.
And that's just the film industry! You mentioned you "never" pay for software. Do you know how many software developers are millionaires? Incredibly, incredibly few. The majority of them are just trying to get by, from paycheck to paycheck, like the rest of us. And you're proudly taking their work without paying for it.
It's true that the software Apple sold on discs in stores didn't have DRM on it. The reason being that DRM costs money to develop, and Apple doesn't make its money in software. Their software is a selling point for their hardware. However, there is still DRM on App Store software, because Apple understands that third party developers actually do need to make money from the sale of software. They do, in fact, try to prevent piracy.
If by "a normal part of economics," you mean, "it's something that happens," that's absolutely true! Rape, kidnapping, thievery and murder are in that same sense normal parts of society. It doesn't make them acceptable. Car crashes are a normal part of driving cars. That doesn't make car crashes acceptable.
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These are all of great value to us as users, but Apple is on a tear about profit taking.
They are not about to do something that benefits us, if they can't make money off it.
At some point in the future that may change, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
The point is, your argument makes zero sense. The fact that theres a ton of free software on the MAS contradicts your claim that these specific apps aren't there because they make Apple no money.
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I think it's odd that Safari and iTunes aren't in the Mac App Store. You could argue that they're software included with the system, but Apple includes the ability to redownload iLife apps that come with Macs from the App Store.
I think Apple wants to make a distinction between iLife apps and system apps, mainly because iLife apps are paid upgrades. They may also be a tidbit worried about antitrust given the stuff with Microsoft and Office years ago.
Not to mention that both programs (iTunes and Safari) are tied in pretty tight with the system. Nowadays you really have to include a web browser with the system considering you have to get online somehow. It isnt about anti-trust since the Mac doesnt have a monopoly platform and Apple isnt doing certain things with Safari that MS did with IE (punishing them for partnering with MS competitors). Apple isnt anywhere in the same boat here.
Anyhow, Apple doesnt see iTunes and Safari as commercial apps. iLife though has almost (outside of a couple of versions) been a commercial retail product sold on store shelves. There is no reason to distribute iLife on the MAS or Safari either - they arent things you would buy. iLife on the other hand is a commercial product. They give you the first copy for free, but it is not a free product. As pointed out, upgrades to iLife are paid and have been so for a long time.
Way off topic (sorry!) but you could argue that point where the iPhone is concerned, with a much larger market share and the inability to change the default browser.
You have to love MacRumors forums where you can go from freeware to piracy to anti-trust laws in less than 50 posts
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It would be a hard case to make since Apple would have to be ruled a trust. Something very very hard to do when there is plentiful competetion in both hardware vendors and software platforms. I doubt that Apple has any real concerns - you can get away with a while lot so long as you have a viable market that is healthy. Android is going to virtually guarantee Apple will never be in a position where their actions can be considered illegal.
So far the only threat that relates to anti-trust is in the iBookstore system and lots of people have been questioning the logic there since before Apple Amazon had a huge monopoly on ebook sales.
No, the reason that safari isnt in the App store has nothing to do with Anti-trust. In fact pre-loading a browser was not the prime reason that the government went after MS years ago. Apple pre-loads safari since people need to get online with a browser.
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Way off topic (sorry!) but you could argue that point where the iPhone is concerned, with a much larger market share and the inability to change the default browser.
You have to love MacRumors forums where you can go from freeware to piracy to anti-trust laws in less than 50 posts
It would be a hard case to make since Apple would have to be ruled a trust. Something very very hard to do when there is plentiful competetion in both hardware vendors and software platforms. I doubt that Apple has any real concerns - you can get away with a while lot so long as you have a viable market that is healthy. Android is going to virtually guarantee Apple will never be in a position where their actions can be considered illegal.
So far the only threat that relates to anti-trust is in the iBookstore system and lots of people have been questioning the logic there since before Apple Amazon had a huge monopoly on ebook sales.
No, the reason that safari isnt in the App store has nothing to do with Anti-trust. In fact pre-loading a browser was not the prime reason that the government went after MS years ago. Apple pre-loads safari since people need to get online with a browser.
Stop ****ing comparing murder. It seems macfans just like you love to comape that. I hate to break it to you, No one is stoping me from pirating and no one will never stop me.
Umm, So your saying apple and mircorosoft don't have millions of dollers? your saying adobe does not? your also saying that roxio does not have tons of money?
Because, I have alot of software from thoes groups.
Most my software is free or that donate ware stuff.
Also people who worked on movies are not payed from the sales of the dvds, they are payed out of a big bugget pool, Learn how hollywood works. if your a camara man, you don't wait till the movie is in the theaters and start making your money then, you get a paycheck at the end of the week like everyone around the camera man,
I like free stuff, I never will pay for software,Videogames,Music,Movies, Its a waist of my money if I can get it for free.
First of all, stop replying to this piracy is not a crime guy. He's clearly trolling.
Second of all, his reasoning is horribly wrong and seems to be written by an immature kid (which he probably is).
I like this article (and many like it) that discuss how piracy is not a problem but rather bona-fide competitor. College kids who have no money and download are not a problem, they are future customers. When they get jobs (if the economy improves) the majority of them will get annoyed with the cat-and-mouse piracy game and would rather get their media / software from a "click and done" system, such as itunes.
http://torrentfreak.com/music-piracy-is-not-a-problem-its-an-excuse-120630/
Second of all, his reasoning is horribly wrong and seems to be written by an immature kid (which he probably is).
I like this article (and many like it) that discuss how piracy is not a problem but rather bona-fide competitor. College kids who have no money and download are not a problem, they are future customers. When they get jobs (if the economy improves) the majority of them will get annoyed with the cat-and-mouse piracy game and would rather get their media / software from a "click and done" system, such as itunes.
http://torrentfreak.com/music-piracy-is-not-a-problem-its-an-excuse-120630/
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I honestly don't care if someone is trolling if it provides the opportunity to refute positions thatregardless of their ridiculousnessare nonetheless commonly held (which is especially true in political and religious discussions), but "no one will ever stop me," like he's a super villain or something, that broke me. I'm done. That is just genuinely hilarious.
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Also, unlike in iOS, on the Mac, they've never had to update the entire bloody system just to update one system app, so there's no need to do what they did with iBooks.
Though I do have to wonder, since again, Apple makes so little off its software, if we aren't going to start seeing a model where iLife (and possibly even iWork?) are free updates in order to attract customers.