Will the iPhone 5S be enough to compete against S4, One, N5?

[jrswizzle]

Yea I get it, but my point was that he has had the 2 lines for several years, and it was not until the nexus 4 came out that he got an android. Android is going a becoming much better than it once was. This number domination thing apple fans keep holding on to want keep lasting. Like you said that was never Apple's intent.

Lol ASSUMPTION. I never said anything about having two lines for several years....its been since August 2012. I was GIVEN a company iPhone 4S and decided carrying two iPhones was pointless (I bought my iPhone 5 on launch day). I looked to get a Nexus 4 when they came out but it was sold out until mid February. Got one first chance I had.

Again, I never argued about Android's growth. I sold the earlier versions of Android tablets so I know how far its come. I'm simply saying, as an Apple fan, I don't feel threatened by Android's growth like you seem to assert, nor do I think Apple does - at least not until it hits their bottom line.

Again - I bought an Android because the opportunity presented itself to be able to try Android while still keeping my iPhone 5 at the same time. If that opportunity had not happened, I would not have a Nexus 4. And if asked which I would give up, it would be the Nexus 4.

Why do you continue to spout the same nonsense over and over again?

 

[bmac4]

Lol ASSUMPTION. I never said anything about having two lines for several years....its been since August 2012. I was GIVEN a company iPhone 4S and decided carrying two iPhones was pointless (I bought my iPhone 5 on launch day). I looked to get a Nexus 4 when they came out but it was sold out until mid February. Got one first chance I had.

Again, I never argued about Android's growth. I sold the earlier versions of Android tablets so I know how far its come. I'm simply saying, as an Apple fan, I don't feel threatened by Android's growth like you seem to assert, nor do I think Apple does - at least not until it hits their bottom line.

Again - I bought an Android because the opportunity presented itself to be able to try Android while still keeping my iPhone 5 at the same time. If that opportunity had not happened, I would not have a Nexus 4. And if asked which I would give up, it would be the Nexus 4.

Why do you continue to spout the same nonsense over and over again?

Why do keep spout the same crap over and over? I never ask if you felt threatened nor do I care if you are. You are putting words in my month I never once said Apple is threatened nor should they be. They need to keep doing what they are doing, but what I am saying is they have to keep Android's gain in the back of there minds. You can't tell me that android growing more popular will not start to take away sales from Apple. If you want to keep telling yourself that Apple is going to dominate forever go ahead.

 

[jrswizzle]

Why do keep spout the same crap over and over? I never ask if you felt threatened nor do I care if you are. You are putting words in my month I never once said Apple is threatened nor should they be. They need to keep doing what they are doing, but what I am saying is they have to keep Android's gain in the back of there minds. You can't tell me that android growing more popular will not start to take away sales from Apple. If you want to keep telling yourself that Apple is going to dominate forever go ahead.

OK let's try and bring this discussion to your level.

You say Apple needs to keep Androids gains in the back of their minds, and that Android will start taking sales from Apple. If I told you, you show keep your neighbor's activities in the back of your mind and that he might start stealing from you would you not feel threatened? I feel this was a logical jump - perhaps not.

I say, Apple should only be worried until their profits begin to fall and that they posted record profits last quarter and somehow that means Apple will always dominate?

If you can't argue intelligently I can't respond....there's simply no other way I can post this. The rest is on you to actually relax and read my post calmly and realize I'm not attacking anything or anyone.

 

[bmac4]

OK let's try and bring this discussion to your level.

You say Apple needs to keep Androids gains in the back of their minds, and that Android will start taking sales from Apple. If I told you, you show keep your neighbor's activities in the back of your mind and that he might start stealing from you would you not feel threatened? I feel this was a logical jump - perhaps not.

I say, Apple should only be worried until their profits begin to fall and that they posted record profits last quarter and somehow that means Apple will always dominate?

If you can't argue intelligently I can't respond....there's simply no other way I can post this. The rest is on you to actually relax and read my post calmly and realize I'm not attacking anything or anyone.

Ok so because I suggested from my first post to you that android has started to gain, and to look no further than yourself for evidence of that then I am saying Apple should be threatened? No I am saying android has taken some huge leaps over the last 2 to 3 years and it is starting to show. I am also suggesting that if a large company like Apple does not pay attention to their competitors then they will start to lose customers.

Let me put it into some terms you might understand. Lets take Macdonalds and say they introduce this new healthy menu that takes off. Sales are going crazy and there are lines out the door for this new food. Burger King is going to have to take notice, and add something to their menu that can compete right? I am not saying Apple is to that point but you have to keep an eye on your rival companies I would think.

Again I am not going to argue numbers with you. The iphone compared with one phone will win every time in sales. I am just telling you android is quietly getting more and more popular. I am not sure how else to say it. For some reason you think I am telling you Apple should be threatened, but all I am saying is android is getting bigger. I have no idea what the future hold and neither do you. All I know is android is growing each year, and if that trend continues then things might change. I don't know when or if it will happened. I am just telling you to take a look around you.

On BTW don't call yourself a techie. You would rather shot out sales numbers for the iphone than appreciate how far android has come. A true techie would realize how android growth is only going to help the consumer because it bring more competition into the market. I for one love technology and new gadgets, and if android having success means better technology I am all for it.

 

[Vegastouch]

OK let's try and bring this discussion to your level.

You say Apple needs to keep Androids gains in the back of their minds, and that Android will start taking sales from Apple. If I told you, you show keep your neighbor's activities in the back of your mind and that he might start stealing from you would you not feel threatened? I feel this was a logical jump - perhaps not.

I say, Apple should only be worried until their profits begin to fall and that they posted record profits last quarter and somehow that means Apple will always dominate?

If you can't argue intelligently I can't respond....there's simply no other way I can post this. The rest is on you to actually relax and read my post calmly and realize I'm not attacking anything or anyone.

Not...how does that relate to Android and Apple at all? Are you and your neighbor selling the same things on eBay or something?

I dont really care who sels what or how much money they make as long as both keeps doing what they do and make competition good. Will Apple be concerned that Android is taking customers? Maybe they will...probably will to a degree but the iPhone will still always sell well and now it is on another major carrier.

 

[bmac4]

Not...how does that relate to Android and Apple at all? Are you and your neighbor selling the same things on eBay or something?

I dont really care who sels what or how much money they make as long as both keeps doing what they do and make competition good. Will Apple be concerned that Android is taking customers? Maybe they will...probably will to a degree but the iPhone will still always sell well and now it is on another major carrier.

Yep I could not agree more. People just don't want to give android credit. Also I think the S4 is going to sell like crazy, and it will only make android become even more popular. Of course Apple is just going to keep selling in record number.

 

[Dmaynard83]

Also keep in mind the note 3 will be coming out around the same time. And pretty sure the note will be better than the s4

 

[Vegastouch]

Also keep in mind the note 3 will be coming out around the same time. And pretty sure the note will be better than the s4

It may be but i have zero interest in the Notes. They are too big for what i want my phone to be. Cool devices but just not in my size prefered catagory.

 

[jrswizzle]

Not...how does that relate to Android and Apple at all? Are you and your neighbor selling the same things on eBay or something?

I dont really care who sels what or how much money they make as long as both keeps doing what they do and make competition good. Will Apple be concerned that Android is taking customers? Maybe they will...probably will to a degree but the iPhone will still always sell well and now it is on another major carrier.

Nothing about your post contradicts any of what I said. Why are you guys so defensive? Like I told Bmac4, stop reading too much into my comments. I don't feel Apple will be concerned (read anxious) about Android stealing customers until Apple feels it in their bank account. Did I say that would or would not happen? No. I made no comment on that. Simply that as it stands, Apple is in a great spot and likely content - especially given the somewhat "S" like upgrade of the GS4. They are all evolving, not revolutionizing.

Yep I could not agree more. People just don't want to give android credit. Also I think the S4 is going to sell like crazy, and it will only make android become even more popular. Of course Apple is just going to keep selling in record number.

I actually disagree that the S4 will sell like crazy. I think it will sell well - likely break the S3's sales records, but I would be surprised if it topped 100 million. I think the HTC One is a strong candidate and am blindly hopeful Google has learned from the debacle that was the Nexus 4 launch and will act accordingly with subsequent launches.

And, as you clearly can't read, I've given Android plenty of credit. I think much of what is said about Android is misplaced (that it's laggy, buggy etc...). Just because I prefer something doesn't mean I can't see the value in the opposite side - I wouldn't have kept my Nexus 4 if I hadn't liked what I saw. Despite the duopoly here, there are other options to try (Win8, BB10).

Stop being so defensive, relax and read. If you choose to go all ragey on me again at least try and argue each point individually, as opposed to making sweeping generalizations I've already addressed.

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Also keep in mind the note 3 will be coming out around the same time. And pretty sure the note will be better than the s4

The Notes are niche products at best....not a major player as far as sales go in the grand scheme - I think combined the first two have sold roughly 25 - 30 million.....don't quote me on that - its in the ballpark.

 

[jrswizzle]

Ok so because I suggested from my first post to you that android has started to gain, and to look no further than yourself for evidence of that then I am saying Apple should be threatened? No I am saying android has taken some huge leaps over the last 2 to 3 years and it is starting to show. I am also suggesting that if a large company like Apple does not pay attention to their competitors then they will start to lose customers.

I've already said that I recognize Android's gains. And I don't think its a foregone conclusion that Apple is watching, with anxiousness, all the Android OEMs to see what they'll do. Despite what many want to think, Apple is not the reactionary company they are made out to be - they have these products in the pipeline for years before they are released.

Let me put it into some terms you might understand. Lets take Macdonalds and say they introduce this new healthy menu that takes off. Sales are going crazy and there are lines out the door for this new food. Burger King is going to have to take notice, and add something to their menu that can compete right? I am not saying Apple is to that point but you have to keep an eye on your rival companies I would think.

But if Burger King is already selling more of their normal menu than they can make, why change it up? Not a good analogy.

Again I am not going to argue numbers with you. The iphone compared with one phone will win every time in sales. I am just telling you android is quietly getting more and more popular. I am not sure how else to say it. For some reason you think I am telling you Apple should be threatened, but all I am saying is android is getting bigger. I have no idea what the future hold and neither do you. All I know is android is growing each year, and if that trend continues then things might change. I don't know when or if it will happened. I am just telling you to take a look around you.

I've already said you'd have to be an idiot not to see Android has exploded. They have what, 70% of the world smartphone marketshare? There are hundreds of OEMs making all variety of Android phones? Of course they are going to dominate marketshare! You seemed to insinuate that Apple must react to Android's growth - I don't agree. That's really all it comes down to. You know its possible for us to disagree - just as its possible for me to present an argument in Apple's favor but still like Android.

On BTW don't call yourself a techie. You would rather shot out sales numbers for the iphone than appreciate how far android has come. A true techie would realize how android growth is only going to help the consumer because it bring more competition into the market. I for one love technology and new gadgets, and if android having success means better technology I am all for it.

Lol.....so because I prefer iOS and present an argument FOR iOS, I must hate Android and don't appreciate how far its come....this idiotic nonsense is why this pissing contest continues. Somehow you're allowed to have your opinion (preferring Android) yet if I present mine preferring iOS, its biased and means I am against competition.

Assuming is all you're doing. And its definitely making an ass out of you - I'm doing my best to keep myself out of it.

Again - I. LIKE. ANDROID. I sold tablets and computers at Best Buy for a little while and am well aware of how far Android has come since Gingerbread and FroYo. I wouldn't still have my Nexus 4 if I didn't like it.

 

[bmac4]

I've already said that I recognize Android's gains. And I don't think its a foregone conclusion that Apple is watching, with anxiousness, all the Android OEMs to see what they'll do. Despite what many want to think, Apple is not the reactionary company they are made out to be - they have these products in the pipeline for years before they are released.



But if Burger King is already selling more of their normal menu than they can make, why change it up? Not a good analogy.



I've already said you'd have to be an idiot not to see Android has exploded. They have what, 70% of the world smartphone marketshare? There are hundreds of OEMs making all variety of Android phones? Of course they are going to dominate marketshare! You seemed to insinuate that Apple must react to Android's growth - I don't agree. That's really all it comes down to. You know its possible for us to disagree - just as its possible for me to present an argument in Apple's favor but still like Android.



Lol.....so because I prefer iOS and present an argument FOR iOS, I must hate Android and don't appreciate how far its come....this idiotic nonsense is why this pissing contest continues. Somehow you're allowed to have your opinion (preferring Android) yet if I present mine preferring iOS, its biased and means I am against competition.

Assuming is all you're doing. And its definitely making an ass out of you - I'm doing my best to keep myself out of it.

Again - I. LIKE. ANDROID. I sold tablets and computers at Best Buy for a little while and am well aware of how far Android has come since Gingerbread and FroYo. I wouldn't still have my Nexus 4 if I didn't like it.

My fast food example was perfect. This happens all the time. Sure burger King is doing great in sales, but when they see an option to take even more costumers in they do it. How many times do we see one of the 2 burger places add something to the menu and 2 months later the other does the same.

You keep acting like I am saying Apple is going down hill or something. I am not saying that. I am saying the other android OEMs are making great process and if continues we could have a really battle for top smartphone. Apple feels they have formula that works and don't need to change anything. Which right now is spot on. What I am seeing, and I guess you fail to see or don't want to see is that companies like Samsung are adding new features to their phones that people are buying into. This popularity is not just some 15 minutes of fame. These type of innovation is not going away, and is going to keep growing.

You think this minimum feature formula is going to continue to work? The times they are a changing.

The features I am talking about are not just gimmicky ones either. Let's take for example my note 2. I keep my screen on without touching the screen just as long as I look at it. I can't tell you how many times I use this. Multiple windows is great as well. If I want to work on something like a spreadsheet on the bottom of my screen and on top watch a video I can do that. Again something that ready comes in handy. Also I have a pop up browser so I only have to view a small window and still look at the main page. I use this on tapatalk on this very forum all the time. every time someone puts a link into this forum I use that feature. All these things are being added to the S4, so I would say people really do want this stuff.

Iphone user like you still prefer the simple to use iphone and love it, but at some point you do want something new.

 

[jrswizzle]

My fast food example was perfect. This happens all the time. Sure burger King is doing great in sales, but when they see an option to take even more costumers in they do it. How many times do we see one of the 2 burger places add something to the menu and 2 months later the other does the same.

Perfect is a little much - if Burger King were selling all the burgers they could make, why would they change? That's my question. Change for change sake is not always good - and doing things just like a competitor because that competitor successful isn't the right approach either. Apple should stick to their guns and continue on their plan. Given their history, I fully expect something unexpected soon.

You keep acting like I am saying Apple is going down hill or something. I am not saying that. I am saying the other android OEMs are making great process and if continues we could have a really battle for top smartphone. Apple feels they have formula that works and don't need to change anything. Which right now is spot on. What I am seeing, and I guess you fail to see or don't want to see is that companies like Samsung are adding new features to their phones that people are buying into. This popularity is not just some 15 minutes of fame. These type of innovation is not going away, and is going to keep growing.

You think this minimum feature formula is going to continue to work? The times they are a changing.

Again, you are reading too much into my posts. I made no comment on whether you think Apple is going downhill. Simply that I believe they are fine, will continue to be fine and have no reason to play a reactionary game. They SHOULD stick to what makes iOS, iOS and Apple, Apple - and in doing so I'm confident we will see some game-changing technology yet again.

Those "features" Samsung are adding is not innovation. I would be completely turned off to the iPhone if Apple were to take Samsung's "features for the sake of features" approach. People are buying into Samsung's MARKETING, not necessarily the specific features.

And yes - I think polished features that work well is a fine formula. More is not always better - oftentimes its simply more of something at worse quality. I can say with absolute certainty that none of the features Samsung showed in the GS4 announcement appealed to me AT ALL. Some are already apps in existence! When Apple does this, they are stealing. When Samsung does it, its innovation!

I'm just tired of the double standards. Until my iPhone doesn't do everything I need it do, I'll continue to buy them. Frankly there isn't a task I can accomplish on my N4, that I can't do on my iPhone 5.

Are there improvements to be made? Of course - always, on both sides. But I don't have to hate one and love the other. And just because I prefer one doesn't mean I hate the other.

You'll keep saying that I can't see Android's gains. You've said it about 100 times now....I see Android's improvements. They just don't sway my preference. Does that bother you for some reason?

 

[bmac4]

Perfect is a little much - if Burger King were selling all the burgers they could make, why would they change? That's my question. Change for change sake is not always good - and doing things just like a competitor because that competitor successful isn't the right approach either. Apple should stick to their guns and continue on their plan. Given their history, I fully expect something unexpected soon.



Again, you are reading too much into my posts. I made no comment on whether you think Apple is going downhill. Simply that I believe they are fine, will continue to be fine and have no reason to play a reactionary game. They SHOULD stick to what makes iOS, iOS and Apple, Apple - and in doing so I'm confident we will see some game-changing technology yet again.

Those "features" Samsung are adding is not innovation. I would be completely turned off to the iPhone if Apple were to take Samsung's "features for the sake of features" approach. People are buying into Samsung's MARKETING, not necessarily the specific features.

And yes - I think polished features that work well is a fine formula. More is not always better - oftentimes its simply more of something at worse quality. I can say with absolute certainty that none of the features Samsung showed in the GS4 announcement appealed to me AT ALL. Some are already apps in existence! When Apple does this, they are stealing. When Samsung does it, its innovation!

I'm just tired of the double standards. Until my iPhone doesn't do everything I need it do, I'll continue to buy them. Frankly there isn't a task I can accomplish on my N4, that I can't do on my iPhone 5.

Are there improvements to be made? Of course - always, on both sides. But I don't have to hate one and love the other. And just because I prefer one doesn't mean I hate the other.

You'll keep saying that I can't see Android's gains. You've said it about 100 times now....I see Android's improvements. They just don't sway my preference. Does that bother you for some reason?

Read the edited post about those features you say you would never use. I thought some of the same way you do. Until I bought the note 2 and loved it. Sure some of the features that the note 2 and S4 are things I don't use, but there are some great one.

Let me put it to you this way. Android is more popular than ever. You as an iOS fan have bought an android phone. This has to say something about both companies. I like both of them too, but I also realize in owning both of them Apple has a lot of work to do to if they want to keep customers around. How many people are there like you that tried out android and now choose it over iOS?

The marketing you were talking about with Samsung. That is how you sell stuff to consumers is through marketing. So yes I believe people are buying to the marketing of Samsung just as Samsung wants them to. Just like Apple tries to get people to buy into their marketing. It's called being smart.

 

[jrswizzle]

Read the edited post about those features you say you would never use. I thought some of the same way you do. Until I bought the note 2 and loved it. Sure some of the features that the note 2 and S4 are things I don't use, but there are some great one.

Let me put it to you this way. Android is more popular than ever. You as an iOS fan have bought an android phone. This has to say something about both companies. I like both of them too, but I also realize in owning both of them Apple has a lot of work to do to if they want to keep customers around. How many people are there like you that tried out android and now choose it over iOS?

The marketing you were talking about with Samsung. That is how you sell stuff to consumers is through marketing. So yes I believe people are buying to the marketing of Samsung just as Samsung wants them to. Just like Apple tries to get people to buy into their marketing. It's called being smart.

At this point, all I can say is "ok". None of the features you mentioned appeal to me - and the Note 2 itself is way to big for my liking. I love that you know I'll want something different though....I wasn't aware we knew each other?

 

[bmac4]

At this point, all I can say is "ok". None of the features you mentioned appeal to me - and the Note 2 itself is way to big for my liking. I love that you know I'll want something different though....I wasn't aware we knew each other?

I am saying in general iphone user are ready for something a little bit different. Look at all the post on this forum saying they want iOS 7 to be something new.

Just because you don't like those features does not mean millions of other people don't. You said you were a techie type of person how can some of those things not appeal to you?

 

[jrswizzle]

I am saying in general iphone user are ready for something a little bit different. Look at all the post on this forum saying they want iOS 7 to be something new.

Just because you don't like those features does not mean millions of other people don't. You said you were a techie type of person how can some of those things not appeal to you?

Because they don't? I wasn't aware being a techie meant liking every feature ever put out by any tech company.

Assuming posters on this forum make up a statistically relevant amount of the smartphone buying population is ignorant.

I want improvements in iOS and the iPhone - so long as Apple sticks with their philosophy.

 

[Dmaynard83]

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The Notes are niche products at best....not a major player as far as sales go in the grand scheme - I think combined the first two have sold roughly 25 - 30 million.....don't quote me on that - its in the ballpark.

I don't see why because the s4 is almost the same size as the note 2 now

 

[ugahairydawgs]

The OP question is inherently flawed. Asking to compare a yet to be announced phone to two existing phones and another that is also unannounced is a pretty pointless exercise. It's like asking to compare the weather from this coming summer to last summer.

Nobody knows.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Since I have no concrete evidence of what the next iPhone will be like, I have no idea if it will be better than the devices mentioned. However, it most certainly will compete against them.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't see why because the s4 is almost the same size as the note 2 now

? 5" screen in a smaller footprint versus a 5.5" screen (possibly 6"+ in the future) isn't "almost the same size".

Heck there are people in another forum claiming the GS4 holds a SUBSTANTIAL size difference over the HTC One...and that's a 0.2" difference..

 

[Fireblade]

It is 0,3".

 

[jrswizzle]

It is 0,3".

My mistake, 0.3"

 

[Tinmania]

I don't see why because the s4 is almost the same size as the note 2 now

I wouldn't say the S4 is almost the same size as the Note 2. There is a big difference when holding the S3 vs. the Note 2. Yet the S4 is smaller than the S3--even with a larger screen.




Michael

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Perfect is a little much - if Burger King were selling all the burgers they could make, why would they change? That's my question.

If Burger King was cutting supply orders it would be a stretch to assert they are selling all they could make.




Michael

 

[SprSynJn]

I am saying in general iphone user are ready for something a little bit different. Look at all the post on this forum saying they want iOS 7 to be something new.

Just because you don't like those features does not mean millions of other people don't. You said you were a techie type of person how can some of those things not appeal to you?

You are comparing posters on a website to "general iPhone users"? That's your first mistake. The general iPhone user likes iPhones the way they are. There, I did it too. I consider myself a general iPhone user, but I'm also a bit of a techie. I'm perfectly content with how iOS is. As long as it stays safe, easy to use, and stable I'm good. Pretty sure that's the general consensus if you ask me.

 

[SpyderBite]

This thread needs less hyperbole and more cowbell. ^^