Will the iPhone 5S be enough to compete against S4, One, N5?

[bmac4]

Because they don't? I wasn't aware being a techie meant liking every feature ever put out by any tech company.

Assuming posters on this forum make up a statistically relevant amount of the smartphone buying population is ignorant.

I want improvements in iOS and the iPhone - so long as Apple sticks with their philosophy.

I never said you had to like all of them, but you cast off any new feature that Samsung or any android phones adds as useless. That is crazy.

I am not assuming that posters on macrumors make up all of the market for Smartphones. In fact this is a very small portion of the smartphone world. More times then not people that post on here are techies. I think the tech world is recognizing that android is coming a long way, and instead of just passing android off there are a lot that are switching to Android. It seems that android is growing more popular over the tech industry over last year or so. For those of us that read sites like Engadget, and gizmodo this means more good things are being said about Android and readers are seeing that. As evidence here in this forum.

I am not really sure why you bother posting in the alterative to iOS section on macrumors. You seem to aways side with iOS when it comes down to it. This section is for people that are more inclined to choose android. It almost seems that you just want to stir up trouble.

Let's go back to the original question at hand. Is the iphone 5s going to be enough to compete with the likes of the new android devices? Yes and no. Yes Apple will sale millions, but no I do not believe that means it has added enough to keep up with the android phones. They have more technology packed into them. Apple will keep selling the iphone with the current model because they have loyal customers that believe in their formula for a smartphone. That does not mean the phone is better or worse. Yes it does come down to the name on the phone and right now the Apple name is gold. For the general public iphones work just fine, but like I said before tech world is another story. General public was what Apple was going for. Smartly I might add. Android on the other hand went after the tech world which is much smaller, and at first did not do a good job. Now we are seeing what they were trying to do pay off.

I do understand that you are right about sales numbers I never want to argue that, but I don't believe that is the whole story.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

This thread needs less hyperbole and more cowbell. ^^

 

[Vegastouch]

Nothing about your post contradicts any of what I said. Why are you guys so defensive? Like I told Bmac4, stop reading too much into my comments. I don't feel Apple will be concerned (read anxious) about Android stealing customers until Apple feels it in their bank account. Did I say that would or would not happen? No. I made no comment on that. Simply that as it stands, Apple is in a great spot and likely content - especially given the somewhat "S" like upgrade of the GS4. They are all evolving, not revolutionizing.

Im not being defensive at all. Im not really following your arguement with the other guy. I just happened to read that and it doesnt relate one bit to what was being discussed.

I actually disagree that the S4 will sell like crazy. I think it will sell well - likely break the S3's sales records, but I would be surprised if it topped 100 million. I think the HTC One is a strong candidate and am blindly hopeful Google has learned from the debacle that was the Nexus 4 launch and will act accordingly with subsequent launches.

Probably wont and i myself dont care either way. I dont care how many phones anyone sells. But i would like them all to sell well to keep them coming.

 

[jrswizzle]

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YES! Hahaha

 

[bmac4]

Im not being defensive at all. Im not really following your arguement with the other guy. I just happened to read that and it doesnt relate one bit to what was being discussed.





Probably wont and i myself dont care either way. I dont care how many phones anyone sells. But i would like them all to sell well to keep them coming.

Ok so this is what I have learn from being on this forum and having any interactions with jrswizzle. You or anyone else that disagrees with him are wrong. I even said some of what he said was right. Apple sells iphones like they are going out of business that in all likelihood will not stop for a while. He thinks or seems to think it will never stop. Really the only thing I told him was that him owning a nexus 4 was evidence enough that Google has grown and is still growing. I also said I understood at this point Google is really not taking customers away from Apple, but if they continue to grow that is going to start to happen. All he has to say to that is look at the numbers. So no matter what you say he is always right.

If you make a good point he will ignore you. I just want to know why he even bothers posted on a section of macrumors that is not for Apple fans per say. If he only wants to post when he thinks he can win an argument then why bother?

Oh I almost forgot he says Samsung adds no features that are useful to him, so that means Apple should not add them nor are they useful at all.

 

[jrswizzle]

Holy crap you are dense....

Ok so this is what I have learn from being on this forum and having any interactions with jrswizzle. You or anyone else that disagrees with him are wrong. I even said some of what he said was right. Apple sells iphones like they are going out of business that in all likelihood will not stop for a while. He thinks or seems to think it will never stop.

Again, I. HAVE. NEVER. SAID. THIS.

Really the only thing I told him was that him owning a nexus 4 was evidence enough that Google has grown and is still growing.

I. DIDN'T. DISPUTE. THIS.

I also said I understood at this point Google is really not taking customers away from Apple, but if they continue to grow that is going to start to happen.

I. NEVER. SAID. THIS. WOULDN'T. HAPPEN.

All he has to say to that is look at the numbers. So no matter what you say he is always right.

I respond to a post about sales numbers with sales numbers. Since then I haven't brought it up - only that Apple, by all measures of success, is doing just fine. That's all I've said. APPLE. IS. FINE.

If you make a good point he will ignore you. I just want to know why he even bothers posted on a section of macrumors that is not for Apple fans per say. If he only wants to post when he thinks he can win an argument then why bother?

I own a Nexus 4 and I. LIKE. ANDROID. I prefer iOS, which apparently makes me some sort of evil Android hater. You continue to ignore my points, despite the fact I've repeated them as simply as I can and continue to ignorantly berate my preference and opinion.

I wasn't aware it was a requirement to agree with everything you say to post here?

Can anyone else help me out here? Am I really being unreasonable or illogical? I feel like I've presented my statements very clearly - I also feel like we've agreed on a great many things - yet apparently Bmac4 still thinks I have som vendetta against Android....please let me know if my posts have come off that way to ANYONE else. I know its the norm to criticize Apple and not Android, I simply like to provide both sides of the story.

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Im not being defensive at all. Im not really following your arguement with the other guy. I just happened to read that and it doesnt relate one bit to what was being discussed.

Fair enough.

Probably wont and i myself dont care either way. I dont care how many phones anyone sells. But i would like them all to sell well to keep them coming.

Sure - that post was in response to the quoted poster saying specifically the GS4 will sell like crazy. I simply stated my opinion on that comment. Generally an acceptable practice on internet forums, though I feel I may have struck some nerve with the poor guy as he continues to think I'm some sort of evil Android hater.....even though on most of this stuff, we agreed a long time ago - he just keeps berating me and repeating nonsense over and over.

 

[bmac4]

Holy crap you are dense....



Again, I. HAVE. NEVER. SAID. THIS.



I. DIDN'T. DISPUTE. THIS.




I. NEVER. SAID. THIS. WOULDN'T. HAPPEN.



I respond to a post about sales numbers with sales numbers. Since I haven't brought it up - only that Apple, by all measures of success, is doing just fine. That's all I've said. APPLE. IS. FINE.



I own a Nexus 4 and I. LIKE. ANDROID. I prefer iOS, which apparently makes me some sort of evil Android hater. You continue to ignore my points, despite the fact I've repeated them as simply as I can and continue to ignorantly berate my preference and opinion.

I wasn't aware it was a requirement to agree with everything you say to post here?

Can anyone else help me out here? Am I really being unreasonable or illogical? I feel like I've presented my statements very clearly - I also feel like we've agreed on a great many things - yet apparently Bmac4 still thinks I have som vendetta against Android....please let me know if my posts have come off that way to ANYONE else. I know its the norm to criticize Apple and not Android, I simply like to provide both sides of the story.

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Fair enough.







Sure - that post was in response to the quoted poster saying specifically the GS4 will sell like crazy. I simply stated my opinion on that comment. Generally an acceptable practice on internet forums, though I feel I may have struck some nerve with the poor guy as he continues to think I'm some sort of evil Android hater.....even though on most of this stuff, we agreed a long time ago - he just keeps berating me and repeating nonsense over and over.

So I said I had a note 2 and really like it and named so features that it had that were useful correct? You said you would never use them and just kind of tossed it to the side like it did not matter. I not sure that you can speak for everyone, but I do believe that these features that Samsung is using are making their phones great and sell really well. I would say if someone is not listening or reading what I am posting it is you.

You said you did not disagree with me about you owning a nexus for and it shows how much android had grown, but after I posted that you went right into the sales numbers. Saying that I was saying Apple should feel threatened by android. I have said this a number of times that is not the case. At this point in time they have nothing to worry about. I am just suggesting they are growing and if this continues Apple may have to look more into it. Is that reasonable?

I am sorry that it seems that I have jump on you and may have not listened. I felt like some of the points that I made were pasted over by you as well. Can we just start over and let the past go. It was my bad I got a little out of hand.

So my answer to the question that was ask by the OP is as far as I can tell no. If they make an iphone 5s that is just a spec bump over the 5 then it will not compete with the S4 and HTC one. I say this based on festures and specs. I am not saying the iphone 5s was sell millions of course they will. I just don't think it measures up to what the other two have done in terms of innovation. That is were I stand would you like to discuss that?

Again I am sorry.

 

[jrswizzle]

So I said I had a note 2 and really like it and named so features that it had that were useful correct? You said you would never use them and just kind of tossed it to the side like it did not matter. I not sure that you can speak for everyone, but I do believe that these features that Samsung is using are making their phones great and sell really well. I would say if someone is not listening or reading what I am posting it is you.

The main reason I so easily dismissed the Note 2 specifically is the size. I've held one numerous times because I always think I might like it, I realize its simply too big for me. Plus I much prefer LCD screens to AMOLED.

And yes, I don't feel any of the features Samsung touts would really make me buy a GS4 over say an HTC One. And specifically, the two features you mentioned have no value to me personally. I did read and respond to what you said, and in no way am I trying to speak for everyone. These are all my preferences.

You said you did not disagree with me about you owning a nexus for and it shows how much android had grown, but after I posted that you went right into the sales numbers. Saying that I was saying Apple should feel threatened by android. I have said this a number of times that is not the case. At this point in time they have nothing to worry about. I am just suggesting they are growing and if this continues Apple may have to look more into it. Is that reasonable?

Fair enough. Yes, Android has gotten to the point where I was willing to try it (as long as I could also keep my iPhone - which having the two lines presented the opportunity). I only made the "threatened" comment because it seemed like a logical step in what you were saying. I agree that Android is growing and at some point in the future, Apple may have to take more notice - though I do feel there is a plateauing as we are now on the decline as far as brand new smartphone users entering the market (there are now more users than not).

I am sorry that it seems that I have jump on you and may have not listened. I felt like some of the points that I made were pasted over by you as well. Can we just start over and let the past go. It was my bad I got a little out of hand.

I truly do agree with many of your posts and tried to present a logical and reasonable argument/comment for those I did not agree on. Seemed like you continued to ignore my newer comments and kept responding to an older/less understood one. I take equal responsibility in it getting out of hand.

So my answer to the question that was ask by the OP is as far as I can tell no. If they make an iphone 5s that is just a spec bump over the 5 then it will not compete with the S4 and HTC one. I say this based on festures and specs. I am not saying the iphone 5s was sell millions of course they will. I just don't think it measures up to what the other two have done in terms of innovation. That is were I stand would you like to discuss that?

Again I am sorry.

I would like to discuss this - I am curious what the word "compete" means to you. Are you saying this in the sense that personally, you think the specs and feature set of the rumored iPhone 5S won't be "as good" as the GS4 or HTC One? Because I would argue that may be the case for you, but not for someone else. Don't be upset, but unfortunately, the best way to measure competition objectively is by sales numbers for each OEM's flagship line. I can say the iPhone 5S is better, because for me it is while you say the GS4 is better because it is for you....

In fact, lets take the iPhone out of the equation for a second. I personally (based on my own smartphone buying criteria) think the HTC One is the better phone FOR ME. If that is our measure of competition (or a simple checklist of specs/number of features which don't really measure real world usage), its an awfully subjective list easily swayed by one's preferences and wants/needs.

On the other hand, likely the GS4 will outsell the HTC One - and despite the fact I think the One is better, the GS4 will be the more successful and compete most favorably against the HTC One. Generally speaking this is the best way to measure competition across flagship lines.

So I will say the iPhone 5S (though having no idea what will come in it is a huge issue with the initial question) will most certainly be competitive. Even with "lower specs" the iPhone 5 "competes" in battery life, computing power, GPU and function with the flagships released in 2012. I would say the 5S will follow suit - do I think it will be revolutionary? Probably not - I think we are a year or two from the next smartphone revolution. But then again, the GS4 wasn't exactly a revolution over the GS3 - a nice evolution yes, which I think is where the smartphone industry is at this point in time.

No hard feelings

 

[bmac4]

The main reason I so easily dismissed the Note 2 specifically is the size. I've held one numerous times because I always think I might like it, I realize its simply too big for me. Plus I much prefer LCD screens to AMOLED.

And yes, I don't feel any of the features Samsung touts would really make me buy a GS4 over say an HTC One. And specifically, the two features you mentioned have no value to me personally. I did read and respond to what you said, and in no way am I trying to speak for everyone. These are all my preferences.



Fair enough. Yes, Android has gotten to the point where I was willing to try it (as long as I could also keep my iPhone - which having the two lines presented the opportunity). I only made the "threatened" comment because it seemed like a logical step in what you were saying. I agree that Android is growing and at some point in the future, Apple may have to take more notice - though I do feel there is a plateauing as we are now on the decline as far as brand new smartphone users entering the market (there are now more users than not).



I truly do agree with many of your posts and tried to present a logical and reasonable argument/comment for those I did not agree on. Seemed like you continued to ignore my newer comments and kept responding to an older/less understood one. I take equal responsibility in it getting out of hand.



I would like to discuss this - I am curious what the word "compete" means to you. Are you saying this in the sense that personally, you think the specs and feature set of the rumored iPhone 5S won't be "as good" as the GS4 or HTC One? Because I would argue that may be the case for you, but not for someone else. Don't be upset, but unfortunately, the best way to measure competition objectively is by sales numbers for each OEM's flagship line. I can say the iPhone 5S is better, because for me it is while you say the GS4 is better because it is for you....

In fact, lets take the iPhone out of the equation for a second. I personally (based on my own smartphone buying criteria) think the HTC One is the better phone FOR ME. If that is our measure of competition (or a simple checklist of specs/number of features which don't really measure real world usage), its an awfully subjective list easily swayed by one's preferences and wants/needs.

On the other hand, likely the GS4 will outsell the HTC One - and despite the fact I think the One is better, the GS4 will be the more successful and compete most favorably against the HTC One. Generally speaking this is the best way to measure competition across flagship lines.

So I will say the iPhone 5S (though having no idea what will come in it is a huge issue with the initial question) will most certainly be competitive. Even with "lower specs" the iPhone 5 "competes" in battery life, computing power, GPU and function with the flagships released in 2012. I would say the 5S will follow suit - do I think it will be revolutionary? Probably not - I think we are a year or two from the next smartphone revolution. But then again, the GS4 wasn't exactly a revolution over the GS3 - a nice evolution yes, which I think is where the smartphone industry is at this point in time.

No hard feelings

I would tend to again with a lot of what you said. On the side of the note 2 though I will disagree because I love mine, but that is fine no big deal. There is one big reason I like it so much and that is the battery life. I had so many problems making it through a day on the iphone 5. Now I have nothing to worry about. That is why I love the note 2.

Now I think the OP missed just a bit with the title. How can we discuss a phone that is not even been spoken of by Apple. I guess we can go on what Apple has done in the past? I will say it will keep up in battery life, and speed no problem. My concerns are in terms of features. I know they may not mean as much to you as me, but if we are comparing phone to phone I would say the android phones win out. Why you ask. For me the android phones both have NFC, a large 1080p screen, led notification lights, and the samsung has a removable back. Now I know you don't like some of theses features, but a lot of people do. If we do talk about sales again we can't predicted what is going to happen, but if we go on past number the iphone will win hands down, the S4 will come next, and well behind the other 2 we have the One. So for sales yes iphone will compete and win.

Now I think the true winner is the S4. It Has some really cool features that I like, but you don't so let's pass those off. It has a really great screen which from what I have heard 1080p screens are better than the Apple retina. How true that is I don't know. If it is true then unless the iphone 5s comes with a new screen then the S4 wins that one. Now I will pick the S4 over the One all day long because I think touchwiz is better than sense 5. Now I am not a big fan of either, but from the reviews I have seen sense 5 and that new news feed thing is just a mess. I know the phone looks good, but I am more worried about the way the phone functions not how it looks. Just me maybe.

With all that said I would still not take any of these phones over my note 2. My note 2 is I think just as snappy as any of these devices, and mine will last a whole heck of a lot longer than any of them. I bet we could combine 2 of the phones battery life and still not get the note 2 battery life. That really does no matter, so with what I have listed do you like my argument?