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Well if you were comfy paying $200 for a hard drive then Appleprices make perfect sense for you.
the last time i bought a hard drive for a mac pro was probably 2012.. it was certainly more than $50.. a lot more iirc

and it's not so much about how comfy i am.. i buy what i need to do what i gotta do.. if you hire me for cad/designwork/construction then some of my fee pays for my computers.. so it's more like how comfy you are when hiring me.

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though i do see i got a spinner back in 2007 for $119..
along with a couple GB ram :)

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you're right.. nmp is expensive
you're also right.. the days of popping multiple $200 hard drives inside a mac pro are over.
i honestly don't think you're going to find very many people to argue otherwise.


(though just an alternate idea re:storage that may or may not be of use in your case.. instead of strictly thinking thunderbolt enclosures, maybe look into 802.11ac wifi drives.. you get a few advantages.. it's network storage that you can access from multiple computers/devices.. it can double as a fast router.. probably cheaper than thunderbolt storage.. no wires going to the computer..
in addition, maybe consider spending additional $20/month for the 200/20Mbps &up internet.. store off site. similar advantages are to be had as with the wifi storage.

idk.. i don't only see data storage moving from inside the box into another box next to the computer.. storage is moving other places as well.)

I'm talking about accessing entire sessions... With the 250 GB of internal storage, or even 500, I can only install apps but certainly don't save / open up sessions from. Or do you think people buy the Mac Pro for browsing the web and writing articles?
 
Glad to see you learning things.

I just looked at Newegg. While a 1TB HD can be had for less then $60, a TB enclosure is a multiple of that.

See, that is why people were (are) so steamed.

But if you are eager and willing to pay $200, it all makes sense.
 
I'm talking about accessing entire sessions... With the 250 GB of internal storage, or even 500, I can only install apps but certainly don't save / open up sessions from. Or do you think people buy the Mac Pro for browsing the web and writing articles?

you missed the part where i said "that may or may not be of use in your case"
?

you guys need to get off the whole "the bigger the number, the better such&such is" thing.

i'm willing to bet i spend much more time working on a computer than you.. i generate anywhere from 5 - 50MB data per day.

here's a (dropbox) snapshot of my autosaves on a single file over two hours:


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(note- sometimes file size shrinks while the project is continuously moving forward.. crazy huh?)

..this file will get another round of work done on it shortly pending project approval.. final file size will probably be around 15MB..
 
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Indeed. This isn't any more off-topic than the preceding 20 pages.

or, you don't recognize what the thread's topic is.

the mods around here aren't really too lax about people posting off-topic stuff in threads.. they'll delete posts for that offense..

how many posts have you noticed being deleted from this thread?
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ok @zephonic ..heres' something that might actually be off topic itt..

so i keep trying to like my joke from earlier but it won't let me..


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..what the heck is up with that?
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you missed the part where i said "that may or may not be of use in your case"
?

you guys need to get off the whole "the bigger the number, the better such&such is" thing.

i'm willing to bet i spend much more time working on a computer than you.. i generate anywhere from 5 - 50MB data per day.

here's a (dropbox) snapshot of my autosaves on a single file over two hours:


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(note- sometimes file size shrinks while the project is continuously moving forward.. crazy huh?)

..this file will get another round of work done on it shortly pending project approval.. final file size will probably be around 15MB..

What is this supposed to prove exactly?

If I download a DVD that is 4 GB don't I win?


so i keep trying to like my joke from earlier but it won't let me..


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..what the heck is up with that?
: )

You would have to tell a joke first to come back and "like" it.
 
It's about time this thread turned in one about car audio. I still have this setup!:D
Now how do I use TB cables to connect it to an nMP?:p
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2-point deduction for not having balanced connectors! I love that heat sink and the calibration pots! Have you had to "DeOxit" much over the years? I've always wondered if these amps were "over soldered" etc. to survive the road vibration. I'll bet there are no "tin whiskers" to be found in that unit.
 
in addition, maybe consider spending additional $20/month for the 200/20Mbps &up internet.. store off site. similar advantages are to be had as with the wifi storage.

Assuming you don't live somewhere in which the fastest internet access you can get, for any price, is 4-6/1Mbps, and the idea of cloud file storage or offsite backup is laughable.
 
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What is this supposed to prove exactly?

If I download a DVD that is 4 GB don't I win?
it doesn't prove anything.
dude insinuated a 500GB drive is only capable of holding a real user's applications.. certainly not enough to work from unless you're a blogger.
that's baloney.

You would have to tell a joke first to come back and "like" it.
really? nobody gets that joke?
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Assuming you don't live somewhere in which the fastest internet access you can get, for any price, is 4-6/1Mbps, and the idea of cloud file storage or offsite backup is laughable.
laugh at it.. i don't care.. i simply mentioned/reminded an idea that's viable/advantageous for many people.. take it or leave it.

also, it's not a matter of if but when.
 
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it doesn't prove anything.
dude insinuated a 500GB drive is only capable of holding a real user's applications.. certainly not enough to work from unless you're a blogger.
Everyone has individual needs, and they are nobody else business. But you all can argue to death about it.
 
What happened to this thread?
It's now a thread for general discussions of whatever?
A ring for sudden attacks and fighting?
After this round of fights, and some invasions, it has completely lost the connection with the subject.

Please let's make another effort to stay on topic, there are so many interesting things to discuss about the upcoming(?) update...
 
you missed the part where i said "that may or may not be of use in your case"
?

you guys need to get off the whole "the bigger the number, the better such&such is" thing.

i'm willing to bet i spend much more time working on a computer than you.. i generate anywhere from 5 - 50MB data per day.

here's a (dropbox) snapshot of my autosaves on a single file over two hours:


View attachment 590405

(note- sometimes file size shrinks while the project is continuously moving forward.. crazy huh?)

..this file will get another round of work done on it shortly pending project approval.. final file size will probably be around 15MB..

Right, I don't get the point you're making. I mean this is downright ridiculous how you defends the nMP's storage theme and suggests online for future storage solutions? Right, I will open up my Pro Tools and Final Cut session from an online storage, you're the man.

The current Mac is anything but "Pro" unless you spend another 2 grand on thunderbolt storage solutions (heck, it doesn't even come with a mouse and keyboad, say what?) which is required to work as a professional. And your predictions about the cloud? Man, are you for real? The point of could is to make information available to everybody and make sure it never gets lost, like a vast library of information that can be accessed from anywhere everywhere. Physical storage will never cease to exist because this is the natural state of our world, everything is physical. With cloud, you create a brain like infrastructure that can be accessed by everybody. And guess what is storing information within the cloud? Physical devices. Unless you wanna go all kubrick on me, this is the wrong kind of forum.

The only good things I can say about the new Mac Pro are that it is a piece of Art, it looks beautiful, it is very small, the thermal design going with the updraft is genius, never seen this before, and it runs very cool. And the thunderbolt external drive solution is actually the future but only if the foundation is right, which is not the case with the nMP. I mean, where is the small external thunderbolt raid system with room for at least 2 drives that should come with the nMP, or at least one drive so I KNOW how to actually use this thing as a customer and how about a keyboard and mouse for starters? People whould **** bricks if the iMac came without mouse and keyboard.

I mean, as an Apple customer, looking at the new Mac Pro, it makes me really pick up an iMac, if I had to choose something new from their store. I mean really, all the upgradability and internal storage solution are gone, for a new more visionary, future external thunderbolt solution, I have to admit that. But just from a customer point of view, knowing the iMac exists, I have to spend 3 grand on something that comes with a small internal drive, no display, no peripherals and is barely faster than the iMac that I can get even cheaper, and it is ready to go.

It is like Apple put the final nail in the coffin for their Pro lineup with the new Mac Pro to make sure nobody wants to buy it anymore.

What happened to this thread?
It's now a thread for general discussions of whatever?
A ring for sudden attacks and fighting?
After this round of fights, and some invasions, it has completely lost the connection with the subject.

Please let's make another effort to stay on topic, there are so many interesting things to discuss about the upcoming(?) update...

Well, when there is no update / information on the horizon, why shouldn't we reach out a little and keep the conversation going?
 
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Well, when there is no update / information on the horizon, why shouldn't we reach out a little and keep the conversation going?
Is this a conversation ?
I think that a conversation must be kept at a certain level to be useful, friendly manners and expressions really help too...
 
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I mean, the equivalent to an AMD Firepro D300 is an AMD FirePro W7000, which was 650 each at launch, 1,300 in total?! I'm paying 1,300 for something I will never end up using, and so do a lot of other people. But they take away all the periphery, no keyboard nor mouse, great...

I have nothing against Apple's design choice, I'd rather staunchly support it, but only if they got their product right, which they don't, not for me and for a lot others.

You assume pricing on something that there is no information on. You are quoting retail prices and assume the graphic cards amount for half the price of the machine. Apple pays much less then retail and likely gets special discounts on its parts anyway. Also factor in they could also design their own graphic card before sent to manufacture which could also lower the price. The biggest price involved in workstation graphic cards is for drivers & support and not the hardware. Since I doubt their drivers are not as involved as the PC version it is likely that cost is not passed on to the customer.
 
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The biggest price involved in workstation graphic cards is for drivers & support and not the hardware. Since I doubt their drivers are not as involved as the PC version it is likely that cost is not passed on to the customer.

I would assume as much, yet on the other hand Apple's OS and applications are all free or at low prices, so I'm sure they factor that in with the price of the hardware.
 
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I would assume as much, yet at the other hand Apple's OS and applications are all free or at low prices, so I'm sure they factor that in with the price of the hardware.

Very well could be. A slight increase in prices for the rest of the computer line subsidizes its software and services. But I still think its a good deal as its a lowered price shared equally among its whole line.
 
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