Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?

[goMac]

There is no Skylake CPU available that would be suitable for Mac Pro computer, yet. Those that are interesting in this context are Broadwell-EP CPUs. And they are due for Q4 2015 and Q1 2016. Also TB3 chipset is most important here.

It sounds like the new iMacs are going to continue to have Broadwell.

As much as I'd like to see Skylake Mac Pros sooner than later, Thunderbolt 3 does work with Broadwell.

I could see Apple announcing new Mac Pros in October with ship dates staggered out into next year.

 

[IlluminatedSage]

It sounds like the new iMacs are going to continue to have Broadwell.

As much as I'd like to see Skylake Mac Pros sooner than later, Thunderbolt 3 does work with Broadwell.

I could see Apple announcing new Mac Pros in October with ship dates staggered out into next year.

its frustrating seeing the bean counters in charge of Apple. They are not keeping up with the competition and they are complacent with their product offerings.

to offer Broadwell as new releases for iMac when Skylake is available is a sad joke.

For the Mac Pro to not get updated when it has been almost 2 years? horrible.

They need to refresh regularly as advancements happen and stop with being cheap about logic board updates and graphic chips. time for Apple to stop treating OS X as a hobby.

 

[filmak]

As much as I'd like to see Skylake Mac Pros sooner than later, Thunderbolt 3 does work with Broadwell.

I could see Apple announcing new Mac Pros in October with ship dates staggered out into next year.

And probably this will be the recipe, if they do care or check the days from update to update.
The remaining question marks are about the GPUs and the ports arrangement, it would also be a nice surprise if they manage to accommodate a little more powerful PSU.

I wonder if it would also be good/useful to have some separate pure display ports and leave TB ports alone? What do you think?
I'm asking this because as I see in other threads the TB bus may be responsible for some GPU problems / errors...

 

[996085]

Most modern CPU's speedstep to a lower frequency when they are idle and also adjust its speed according to the load. It saves in battery life. But hey, if you always want to be tethered to an electrical socket.

The problem with this explanation is it shouldn't be stepping down its speed under load. I don't have a problem if it clocks down to something lower if it doesn't require the higher speed. However when I'm pushing it to 100% then it should be running at 100%.

 

[996085]

i already gave you a particular reason.

i don't feel like arguing you about this.

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and hey.. i actually do wish you'd sue them. (and report back with the story)

Given you appear to be willing to argue with others about everything else you disagree with I can only assume your real reason is you cannot argue against it.

 

[fuchsdh]

its frustrating seeing the bean counters in charge of Apple. They are not keeping up with the competition and they are complacent with their product offerings.

to offer Broadwell as new releases for iMac when Skylake is available is a sad joke.

For the Mac Pro to not get updated when it has been almost 2 years? horrible.

They need to refresh regularly as advancements happen and stop with being cheap about logic board updates and graphic chips. time for Apple to stop treating OS X as a hobby.

Complain about Apple not using Haswell-E to update the Mac Pro and you have a valid point, but what Skylake chips suitable for the iMac have been released yet?

 

[996085]

its frustrating seeing the bean counters in charge of Apple. They are not keeping up with the competition and they are complacent with their product offerings.

to offer Broadwell as new releases for iMac when Skylake is available is a sad joke.

For the Mac Pro to not get updated when it has been almost 2 years? horrible.

They need to refresh regularly as advancements happen and stop with being cheap about logic board updates and graphic chips. time for Apple to stop treating OS X as a hobby.

Even MacRumors treats the Mac as a second thought. Have you looked at the forums main page lately? Even the Apple Watch forums appear before the Mac forums.

 

[wallysb01]

Complain about Apple not using Haswell-E to update the Mac Pro and you have a valid point, but what Skylake chips suitable for the iMac have been released yet?

Why couldn’t the iMac use the i7-6700K as the top model and a take your pick of the 3 skylake i5s for the mid ranges?

 

[koyoot]

Don't you guys misinterpret what has been written? This thread is about Mac Pro or iMac?

 

[zephonic]

Since we've been off-topic anyway, I'll just interject this sideways:

In an odd turn of events, Apple has become the new Sony, Google has become the new Microsoft, and Microsoft is trying very hard to be the new Apple.

If you'd told me this in 2007, I'd have laughed in your face.

 

[d00mz]

Since we've been off-topic anyway, I'll just interject this sideways:

In an odd turn of events, Apple has become the new Sony, Google has become the new Microsoft, and Microsoft is trying very hard to be the new Apple.

If you'd told me this in 2007, I'd have laughed in your face.

You'd laugh at my face because I've been putting off buying the Mac Pro since Feb of this year hoping there would be a refresh at the end of this year and looks like that isn't happening.

 

[996085]

Since we've been off-topic anyway, I'll just interject this sideways:

In an odd turn of events, Apple has become the new Sony, Google has become the new Microsoft, and Microsoft is trying very hard to be the new Apple.

If you'd told me this in 2007, I'd have laughed in your face.

This thread is currently 112 pages long and is quickly approaching 2800 posts. Furthermore it's asking a question none of us can answer. Given this I doubt there's any on topic discussion which is any more valuable than the off topic discussions.

 

[fuchsdh]

Why couldn’t the iMac use the i7-6700K as the top model and a take your pick of the 3 skylake i5s for the mid ranges?

As far as I know they've never used enthusiast K chips in their machines. Likewise, none of the i5 chips I see on ark.intel match previous offerings.

More to the thread topic, those two links are just really really hopeful speculation, and given how Apple threw their iPad event into their iPhone event this year, it seems more likely there's no October event at all this year. That has no real bearing on whether they release a new Pro at this point or not. Apple probably knows better than us whether it makes more sense to proceed with Broadwell or hold out for Skylake. There's a whynotboth.gif option as well.

Really I think it speaks more to a more pressing concern than various posters' comments about the Pro as a pro machine, and that's just update schedules not being clear.

 

[Melodist]

As far as I know they've never used enthusiast K chips in their machines. Likewise, none of the i5 chips I see on ark.intel match previous offerings.

More to the thread topic, those two links are just really really hopeful speculation, and given how Apple threw their iPad event into their iPhone event this year, it seems more likely there's no October event at all this year. That has no real bearing on whether they release a new Pro at this point or not. Apple probably knows better than us whether it makes more sense to proceed with Broadwell or hold out for Skylake. There's a whynotboth.gif option as well.

Really I think it speaks more to a more pressing concern than various posters' comments about the Pro as a pro machine, and that's just update schedules not being clear.

Apple has no clue what to do that's why there hasn't been an update on the nMP.

 

[zephonic]

You'd laugh at my face because I've been putting off buying the Mac Pro since Feb of this year hoping there would be a refresh at the end of this year and looks like that isn't happening.

I wouldn't, but my attitude to equipment purchases is: buy what you need when you need it, and don't worry too much about the future.

I bought a used MP4,1 in 2011 because it was technically the same as the then-current model, knowing I could upgrade just about everything along the way, and I thought there was a good chance the MacPro would be discontinued altogether.

Regardless of what everybody else in this thread says, the nMP is a powerful machine in its own right, and from what I've read I gather the current Xeon E5v3 isn't a major step forward in terms of performance.

So while it's true that Apple is selling 2013 hardware at 2013 prices two years later, it is also true that CPU performance gains have slowed down to the point where it is no longer imperative to update every 18 months, other than for marketing reasons.

The fact that the cMP can hold its own so well against its successor proves that.

 

[flat five]

Right, I don't get the point you're making. I mean this is downright ridiculous how you defends the nMP's storage theme and suggests online for future storage solutions?

how am i defending nmp storage theme? i'm talking about all of computing.. pretty sure i haven't mentioned nmp in any of this.

Right, I will open up my Pro Tools and Final Cut session from an online storage, you're the man.

please recognize this point -> you are making things up in your head about things i have said.. and then, you're arguing yourself about them.. half of yourself recognizes the downright ridiculousness of it.. now try to sync that up with the other half.

The current Mac is anything but "Pro" unless you spend another 2 grand on thunderbolt storage solutions (heck, it doesn't even come with a mouse and keyboad, say what?) which is required to work as a professional.

one of my computers came with a mouse and a keyboard.. i don't use them. ever.
same would go for your other thing about apple should include a small tb external raid with the purchase of a Mac Pro..

are you the person these computers are being custom designed for? because if not, chill with the sense of entitlement..
i don't want a keyboard or a mouse or an external raid when i buy a computer.. i want a computer.. if apple just threw that stuff in for free then sure, whatever.. i don't care.. but they're definitely not going to include that stuff for free.. all you're doing is saying 'make the computer more expensive' while at the same time saying 'the computer is too expensive'.

And your predictions about the cloud? Man, are you for real?

predictions? get out of the cave.. i'm not predicting anything.. i'm just saying how it is now.

http://www.rightscale.com/blog/clou...loud-computing-trends-2015-state-cloud-survey

The survey asked 930 IT professionals about their adoption of cloud infrastructure and related technologies.
[...]
Cloud computing adoption continues to be a given with 93 percent of respondents reporting that they are adopting cloud. Eighty-eight percent of respondents are using public cloud and 63 percent using private cloud, with 58 percent using both.

etcetc.. that's just the first link in a search..
93% of respondents report they are adopting cloud.. even if that number was something like 25%, i'd still have a viable argument.. but 93%?? yes- of course i'm for real.. cloud computing really really has been gaining incredible traction the past couple of years and shows no sign of letting up.
where have you been?

i'd offer my personal experience with wireless data/storage but somehow in your head, i don't qualify as a professional computer user so what i say doesn't click with you.

also, i believe i spoke stronger about wifi storage.. people (as in people in video/music industries) used fw800 for years to transfer data between drives.. 802.11ac is faster than fw800.

The point of could is to make information available to everybody and make sure it never gets lost, like a vast library of information that can be accessed from anywhere everywhere. Physical storage will never cease to exist because this is the natural state of our world, everything is physical. With cloud, you create a brain like infrastructure that can be accessed by everybody. And guess what is storing information within the cloud? Physical devices. Unless you wanna go all kubrick on me, this is the wrong kind of forum.

i'm not sure i follow you.. i'm reading you as saying physical storage trumps cloud storage and it will never go away.. cloud storage is physical storage.

am i understanding you?

It is like Apple put the final nail in the coffin for their Pro lineup with the new Mac Pro to make sure nobody wants to buy it anymore.

most of your posts say nmp is too expensive for you.. guess what, it's too expensive for the vast majority of people.. like an insanely high percentage of people (i imagine) think the nmp is too expensive to justify or simply too expensive period..
i mean, thanks for continually saying the nmp is too expensive for you to stomach but you're not saying anything profound or unique.. that's for sure.
you see that, right?

 

[MacVidCards]

Wow, my gibberish meter just pegged and snapped the needle.

Anyone want to go back to car audio?

 

[flat five]

Given you appear to be willing to argue with others about everything else you disagree with I can only assume your real reason is you cannot argue against it.

what i've read by you comes across as hypothetical situations..
put real experiences on it.

what applications are you using when the cpu speed drops?
what tasks are you doing in said applications?
what damage is being done to you or your work? (how much money are you losing. etc?)

you know, that kind of stuff.. not "IF a cpu runs slower than advertised -and- IF there was an advertisement stating the computer's expected speed -- Then, there Might be grounds for a lawsuit".. cool :/

 

[flat five]

Wow, my gibberish meter just pegged and snapped the needle.

Anyone want to go back to car audio?

cliff notes version:
if you don't want a mac pro then don't buy it.
if you want a mac pro and can't afford it.. too bad..

 

[Melodist]

how am i defending nmp storage theme? i'm talking about all of computing.. pretty sure i haven't mentioned nmp in any of this.


please recognize this point -> you are making things up in your head about things i have said.. and then, you're arguing yourself about them.. half of yourself recognizes the downright ridiculousness of it.. now try to sync that up with the other half.



one of my computers came with a mouse and a keyboard.. i don't use them. ever.
same would go for your other thing about apple should include a small tb external raid with the purchase of a Mac Pro..

are you the person these computers are being custom designed for? because if not, chill with the sense of entitlement..
i don't want a keyboard or a mouse or an external raid when i buy a computer.. i want a computer.. if apple just threw that stuff in for free then sure, whatever.. i don't care.. but they're definitely not going to include that stuff for free.. all you're doing is saying 'make the computer more expensive' while at the same time saying 'the computer is too expensive'.


predictions? get out of the cave.. i'm not predicting anything.. i'm just saying how it is now.

http://www.rightscale.com/blog/clou...loud-computing-trends-2015-state-cloud-survey

etcetc.. that's just the first link in a search..
93% of respondents report they are adopting cloud.. even if that number was something like 25%, i'd still have a viable argument.. but 93%?? yes- of course i'm for real.. cloud computing really really has been gaining incredible traction the past couple of years and shows no sign of letting up.
where have you been?

i'd offer my personal experience with wireless data/storage but somehow in your head, i don't qualify as a professional computer user so what i say doesn't click with you.

also, i believe i spoke stronger about wifi storage.. people (as in people in video/music industries) used fw800 for years to transfer data between drives.. 802.11ac is faster than fw800.



i'm not sure i follow you.. i'm reading you as saying physical storage trumps cloud storage and it will never go away.. cloud storage is physical storage.

am i understanding you?


most of your posts say nmp is too expensive for you.. guess what, it's too expensive for the vast majority of people.. like an insanely high percentage of people (i imagine) think the nmp is too expensive to justify or simply too expensive period..
i mean, thanks for continually saying the nmp is too expensive for you to stomach but you're not saying anything profound or unique.. that's for sure.
you see that, right?

You keep turning things around at your own sweet will, there is no point in having a desultory conversation with you, nothing that would not spam this thread. I've been trying to construe your evasive lane change and counter it with straight answers / directions, but then you claim to not have said any of that: no ****, nobody understands where you're coming from because you don't give a single straight answer and put a web of half-answered / non-committed content together; at least you didn't take any side...

And my point is still valid, as painful and unprevaricating this might be to you, Mac Pros from 2009 perform equally good, if not better than the models from 2013 (rather 2014), which to me is anything but a technological achievement from Apple, unless they don't want people to upgrade for a better performance but for the new design. I get, either I go with it or not... well I can hope for a different direction can't I?

 

[flat five]

And my point is still valid, as painful and unprevaricating this might be to you, Mac Pros from 2009 perform equally good, if not better than the models from 2013 (rather 2014), which to me is anything but a technological achievement from Apple, unless they don't want people to upgrade for a better performance but for the new design. I get, either I go with it or not... well I can hope for a different direction can't I?

just for fun.. (with point i'm attempting to make -> the designers have longer term vision than members here)

what do you think will be the better computer.. a 2018 nmp 3... or a 2018 cmp 8.1
?

the designers didn't make a computer for 2014 with the idea of "well, we'll get this out then start thinking about what we can do with it after that"... they designed a computer which can't be built yet (in any sort of mass production realm).. not to mention much of the software which has potential to more fully utilize the processing power hasn't been updated yet..

and idk.. i call bollocks on comparing an 8core 2009 to a quad nmp then claiming '2009 preforms equally good as 2014'

 

[zephonic]

Apple has no clue what to do that's why there hasn't been an update on the nMP.

Right, but you do?

And my point is still valid, as painful and unprevaricating this might be to you, Mac Pros from 2009 perform equally good, if not better than the models from 2013 (rather 2014), which to me is anything but a technological achievement from Apple, unless they don't want people to upgrade for a better performance but for the new design.

So since Apple is clueless, and you are not, what CPU's should they put in the MacPro? Which ones are significantly faster than what's currently in there?

 

[MacVidCards]

just for fun.. (with point i'm attempting to make -> the designers have longer term vision than members here)

what do you think will be the better computer.. a 2018 nmp 3... or a 2018 cmp 8.1
?

the designers didn't make a computer for 2014 with the idea of "well, we'll get this out then start thinking about what we can do with it after that"... they designed a computer which can't be built yet (in any sort of mass production realm).. not to mention much of the software which has potential to more fully utilize the processing power hasn't been updated yet..

You've really and truly outdone yourself.

Over the top nonsense. Try reading that to someone with a brain and rational thought, I doubt they understand a word of it.

So, more then 2 years after it was announced, Apple hasn't bothered to write software to use it, and that is an example of good design? Is that what you are saying? Or that it is a 2018 computer sadly saddled with 2014 tech or that space aliens brought it from Mars?

 

[flat five]

You've really and truly outdone yourself.

Over the top nonsense. Try reading that to someone with a brain and rational thought, I doubt they understand a word of it.

what's weird is i'm not even saying anything crazy.

what would be crazy is if apple designed a new computer for 2014 and expected it to sell in 2024

 

[MacVidCards]

what's weird is i'm not even saying anything crazy.

what would be crazy is if apple designed a new computer for 2014 and expected it to sell in 2024

Meds?