You are now officially full of it.
I asked for specific examples and you have garbage.
If you believed in what you were saying you would respond with actual examples instead of meandering away. I live with my posts, I don't walk away and dissemble.
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Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?
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You are now officially full of it.
I asked for specific examples and you have garbage.
If you believed in what you were saying you would respond with actual examples instead of meandering away. I live with my posts, I don't walk away and dissemble.
I get it though I would never, not even in a thousand years, upload clients' data to a storage solution that's mirrored all across the globe, not even my own data. You put a lot of trust in the safety of cloud services, that's fine, but I don't. The only safe storage solution is done by myself, locally, same goes for archiving, that's why I've switched from storage raids to m-disc blu ray discs and a storage room. Unless you offer social networking services and anything that's beyond your conscious access, there is really no point in going cloud, or server, unless that's really your thing.
How do you think Warner Brothers would react if you uploaded all their sessions to the cloud and operated them from there? Sorry but to me, this is to some technical degree not feasible nor safe at all. And even if the cloud service you're using is 100% safe and not tapped by the government (none of this is the case right now though), your access to the files when running data-intense sessions is still the weakest point.
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Like a super-proxy kind of editing? That would be pretty cool, but there's still the media ingest step and the overall lack of internet bandwidth in the USA. To the general readers of this thread (in case you don't already know): Most of the public and politicians have no real desire to upgrade the country's infrastructure (power/internet/roads, etc.) because it's not sexy. The awesomeness of internet in the EU is partially because of the small geographic areas to cover. (i.e., It's less costly and troublesome to blanket Luxembourg in Google Fiber than Oregon or New Mexico.) I'm hopeful that equal internet access will prevail, I'm betting that it won't be available in the less than wealthy areas of my city.
I think we can all agree that the critical component of Cloud-Based solutions is fast and uninterrupted connectivity.
Before I used to work for a design company and they were managing a remote server where we upload all our files and data. There was a time we could not connect to our server for some unknown reasons. Good thing we also had our files backed up locally. And in my freelance work, some clients would not get my services if I am using any kind of remote backup or Cloud. They were not that at ease with a remote cloud type archiving. And in some places, the internet speed connection is not that fast too. On another note, aside from looking into the storage method with the new Mac Pro, there is also the software-hardware performance and compatibility. Some new Mac Pro users are having video render problems, https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6691532?start=30&tstart=0
One of the limitations with the GPU of the new Mac Pro is you cannot try out other models of graphic cards to troubleshoot and find possible solutions. You're limited just to the D300s, D500s or D700s.
Agreed. Security will be a huge issue. In the edit suite I'm sitting in right now, the Avid isn't even hooked up to the internet, which is a fairly common practice.
Finally mention to the soon to come Magic Mouse 2, Magic Trackpad 2 and Magic Keyboard in OS X 10.11.1 beta.
Bout time.
I'm guessing internal chargeable battery, USB for charging and use (Type C?) and 3D Touch (or Force Touch) on mouse and trackpad. Eject key on keyboard should become on/off maybe?
San Francisco font on the keyboard for sure.
Maybe next week with the new 21" iMac.
Although there was some info a while back that only by Feb'16 we would see them.
I sure hope they release it soon, in time for the nMP at least.
Next week would be great though since I just got my new rMBP 13" CTO a few hours ago and a new Magic Mouse 2 would be sweet. Couldn't wait for Skylake any longer, my wife needed a PC but I got her the rMBP instead
My daughter got the rMBP 15" last year so now only me waiting for the nMP :-(
I just hope we don't get to wait another 9 months. With Q1'16 availability we might only see the nMP late Q2, which I hope is not the case.
Bout time.
I'm guessing internal chargeable battery, USB for charging and use (Type C?) and 3D Touch (or Force Touch) on mouse and trackpad. Eject key on keyboard should become on/off maybe?
San Francisco font on the keyboard for sure.
Maybe next week with the new 21" iMac.
Although there was some info a while back that only by Feb'16 we would see them.
I sure hope they release it soon, in time for the nMP at least.
Next week would be great though since I just got my new rMBP 13" CTO a few hours ago and a new Magic Mouse 2 would be sweet. Couldn't wait for Skylake any longer, my wife needed a PC but I got her the rMBP instead
My daughter got the rMBP 15" last year so now only me waiting for the nMP :-(
I just hope we don't get to wait another 9 months. With Q1'16 availability we might only see the nMP late Q2, which I hope is not the case.
Do you really need examples when you can go to your own website and read what you wrote about not upgrading to El Capitan yet?
You aren't someone who values your own word. Rather disappointing.
You accused me of dodging questions that you asked me directly.
I denied this and requested links to me dodging questions.
You provided bogus post numbers, potentially showing that you are using 2 ids here (or can't read numbers). Neither post contained a question to me.
So, when asked where I dodged questions, you dodged the question. Rather ironic I think, and telling of your true nature.
If you are going to accuse someone of something, be ready to back it up or get called out on it.
Apple refusing to include modern GPU drivers in their OS doesn't reflect badly on MacVidCards or Nvidia, it reflects badly on Apple. Nvidia had Beta drivers for El Cap BEFORE release. They then released FINAL EL Cap drivers less then 24 hours after release.
Again, if you want to whine about Apple not including modern GPU drivers, Apple is the one and only cause of that issue. Stick with the cards that Apple dictates, or find courage and try the newer ones that are available, up to you. Cowering in the corner and dodging questions go well together.
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It's so unfortunate that your belligerence completely overshadows your expertise.
If I posted that you or Mr. linuxcool "frequently post links to torrented software" and then you demanded for me to prove this smear and all I did was post some mealey mouthed almost links where nothing of the sort was said, I think you might be "belligerent" too.
It's called being respectful. Or is it OK to accuse people of things and then not back it up with anything?
It's called being respectful. Or is it OK to accuse people of things and then not back it up with anything?
I won't comment on the beef you have with some folks around here, as there seems to be a history there.
But if you want people to be respectful, ask yourself this: do you always approach others equally respectfully?
I tried to engage in dialog with you some time back (even in this thread) and was given a snarky response. I was perfectly civil with you, something I felt was not reciprocated. I gave up after a few posts and decided to leave you alone. Too bad, as I did learn some stuff from you.
As for Apple, sometimes you sound like a lover scorned when you talk about them, and those rants are counter-productive because it polarizes everybody, which ultimately stops the flow of ideas.
Also, when people disagree with you, don't play the "KoolAid-iSheep-RDF-AppleCult" card. It is annoying.
Your knowledge and expertise are valuable to this forum, and you dispense it freely which is great. It will be even better if you can do it without turning it into a diatribe all the time.
Chill, bro. We're all just MacPro-owners here!
But if you want people to be respectful, ask yourself this: do you always approach others equally respectfully?
I tried to engage in dialog with you some time back (even in this thread) and was given a snarky response. I was perfectly civil with you, something I felt was not reciprocated. I gave up after a few posts and decided to leave you alone. Too bad, as I did learn some stuff from you.
As for Apple, sometimes you sound like a lover scorned when you talk about them, and those rants are counter-productive because it polarizes everybody, which ultimately stops the flow of ideas.
Also, when people disagree with you, don't play the "KoolAid-iSheep-RDF-AppleCult" card. It is annoying.
Your knowledge and expertise are valuable to this forum, and you dispense it freely which is great. It will be even better if you can do it without turning it into a diatribe all the time.
Chill, bro. We're all just MacPro-owners here!
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Mod note: Please stay on topic and discuss the Mac Pro with civility before the thread gets closed.
Back to the topic:
Next week we'll see new retina iMac, keyboard, mouse and touchpad. No invitation has been sent to a launch event. At best, Apple informs on Monday that on Tuesday morning they're gonna air a special announcement from their HQ (like they did with first gen. aluminum iMac's). IF they do that, there is a change that they'll introduce other updates too.. and that could be news about nMP update.
But, most likely it is just a silent release of retina iMac and its new accessories.
So what is next potential time for nMP v.2 release? With iPad Pro? As tempting as it might sound, iPad Pro and nMP would compete of the same money.. designers, artists.. so I don't know. But then again, they complete each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see advertisement videos where nMP owners are using iPad Pro for many things.
Perhaps Apple will lower nMP prices, so you can have them both for ~USD 3000. Four core nMP with one GPU, 8GB ram... for USD2399. Quite often Apple has lowered its second gen. product prices. They introduced the cheaper 5k model too you know...
Your opinions and ideas?
Next week we'll see new retina iMac, keyboard, mouse and touchpad. No invitation has been sent to a launch event. At best, Apple informs on Monday that on Tuesday morning they're gonna air a special announcement from their HQ (like they did with first gen. aluminum iMac's). IF they do that, there is a change that they'll introduce other updates too.. and that could be news about nMP update.
But, most likely it is just a silent release of retina iMac and its new accessories.
So what is next potential time for nMP v.2 release? With iPad Pro? As tempting as it might sound, iPad Pro and nMP would compete of the same money.. designers, artists.. so I don't know. But then again, they complete each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see advertisement videos where nMP owners are using iPad Pro for many things.
Perhaps Apple will lower nMP prices, so you can have them both for ~USD 3000. Four core nMP with one GPU, 8GB ram... for USD2399. Quite often Apple has lowered its second gen. product prices. They introduced the cheaper 5k model too you know...
Your opinions and ideas?
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I hope they'll offer a model with an average graphics card and more cpu or / lower the prices drastically so the 8 core model would land around 3k, maybe 3.2k
i don't ever see a nmp being sold by apple with one GPU.. it's a dual-gpu design at a very low level of the process.. it's meant to have 2 gpus
i also don't see them dropping base config ram to 8GB.. it seems (to me) the amount of ram will move the other way.. 16GB.
the 12GB thing was one of the weirder aspects upon initial launch. it's highly likely they wanted it to be 16GB from the getgo but had to gimp it one stick in order to make entry price start with a 2 instead of a 3.
Unfortunately, I think the desktop mac lineup at the end of the year is going to be a letdown. The only rumors pertain to an update to the 21" iMac. I predict that only the 21" iMac gets updated to a 4k display, and the rest of the lineup frustratingly stagnates until early next year.
Part of the problem is Intel's slow rollout of their new chips and how the fit into the mac lineup. Also a problem is thunderbolt 3. This may be the biggest limiting factor, as Apple probably does not want to release one of their high end configurations without it at this point. Lets take a look at whats available and what may be holding up each update.
iMac 21": Likely getting broadwell chips with intel iris pro graphics. Why? Apple wants to drop the discrete graphics card and these intel chips have fairly good integrated graphics. Why not skylake? Intel has not announced any skylake chips with iris pro graphics. Since this is a low end configuration, if this model does not have thunderbolt 3, its probably not a big deal.
iMac 27": Skylake desktop parts exist for this line, but it seems that their availability is limited. That coupled with limited availability of thunderbolt 3 controllers probably keeps this one from being updated this year. It would not surprise me if this one is updated, but all the rumors have focused only on the 21" configuration.
Mac Pro: Haswell-E currently exists as a CPU replacement, but Broadwell-E is close on the horizon. Current rumors have it pegged for release 3/2016. While I am not convinced this chip will bring enough performance over Haswell-E to wait for, its probably close enough now to release that Apple will wait for it. Suitable GPUs exist for the mac pro in AMD's Fiji based chips. Future GPUs are farther out on the horizon, with rumors pointing to a new GPU from Nvidia in the first half of 2016 and AMD not until the second half. Probably the reason the mac pro has been held up is again Thunderbolt 3. Apple would not release a mac pro until its ready, as the mac pro is basically a thunderbolt machine.
I think Apple will refresh much of their high end lineup simultaneously with thunderbolt 3. While I thought this would happen this fall, there will probably be a mac focused event early next year which sees new macbook pros, iMac 5k and mac pro. My guess would be in february or march.
I agree with this, the Mac Pro is designed around 2 GPUs, and thats not going to change. What I think is important is I think software is moving closer and closer to those 2 GPUs functioning as a single big GPU. I believe this is a capability of metal, although it would be great if someone could clarify this for me.
What would I like to see? Either lower the price on the low end configuration or increase the capabilities of the base configuration. Make the quad core CPU $2500, or make the base $3000 configuration have 6 cores. Make 16 GB the base memory configuration and a 512 GB SSD upgradeable up to 2 TB. Also, support for an Apple external 5k display, which I assume is coming with thunderbolt 3.
I think this is a very sensible assessment.
Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C brings a lot of simplicity to desktop setups and is very much in Apple's style. It makes sense for them to do a big update to all products focused around this.
Ah, the glorious cloud. Obviously immune to all common sense, because ... well, because of cloud. This image is for all cloud aficionados out there.
It does not matter where you place your data or application. Once you use the network instead of your local resources there will never be a satisfactory performance.
It's odd that there's info on the new kbd mouse and trackpad in El Cap beta but not a new display.
A 27" 5K with TB3 (Type C plug) would be sweet.
2 TB3 ports on the nMP for 2 of theses babies would make a great setup.
TB3 is coming to PCs and mobos already, so I guess it should be widely available already.
Just waiting for Broadwell-EP I guess.
I'm curious about the drives, what will they use? Probably keep with Samsung. But there is still no higher capacity drives available, guess no 2TB option yet. Unless there's a second port, which is unlikely.
2 GPUs are here to stay, I don't see a leaner configuration.
They'll get fully used in time though.
A 27" 5K with TB3 (Type C plug) would be sweet.
2 TB3 ports on the nMP for 2 of theses babies would make a great setup.
TB3 is coming to PCs and mobos already, so I guess it should be widely available already.
Just waiting for Broadwell-EP I guess.
I'm curious about the drives, what will they use? Probably keep with Samsung. But there is still no higher capacity drives available, guess no 2TB option yet. Unless there's a second port, which is unlikely.
2 GPUs are here to stay, I don't see a leaner configuration.
They'll get fully used in time though.
it's incredibly short sighted to think that way or to base cloud usefulness off that chart.
i use 2 computers and an iPhone for work.. how often do i have to use a usb stick to move a file from desktop to laptop? never.. (or any type of manual data movements between systems for that matter)
how often to i have to save receipts/delivery slips/etc until i get to a computer to do data entry? never
how many files do i have to email to cnc/laser/waterjet? none
how many different versions/threads of design collaboration do i need to track? zero
i mean, all 3 of my devices act as a single unit as far as file management goes.. backups to the cloud as well as local backups on the different computers are constantly being created.. the amount of files and copies of said files i need to manage on any given project has dropped drastically.. the amount of time i spend copying and importing files has went from 'often' to 'never'..
to say something like- "Once you use the network instead of your local resources there will never be a satisfactory performance"
..is only saying "my workflow will not benefit from being on a network"..
because i've moved to network and performance has noticeably improved.. moreover, a bunch of boring crap has been eliminated from my flow.. which in itself, is a huge improvement.
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idk.. you come across that you're not speaking from experience.. fine, whatever.
but when someone has experience with what you're knocking and they're saying basically opposite of what you are, you should at least listen.. at least a little bit.
They are separate cards on their own socket. But it is true that those cards are not expensive for Apple. They're just rebranded 270X, 280 and 280X under clocked.
nMP v2
4 core Xeon, 8GB ram, 256GB SSD, 1x D310 GPU = $2399
6 core Xeon, 16GB ram, 512GB SSD, 2x D310 GPU = $3000
If they'd introduced 1 GPU version, their marketing needs to differentiate that this is the perfect machine for your illustration needs with iPad Pro. And 2 GPU version is a must have machine for video editors etc.
it's too far gone for that.. the computer is designed for 2gpus
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it's also designed for 2 SSDs.. but that's a different topic
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