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But I (as well as others) have responded to certain claims that the nMP is a "perfect device" for certain circumstances simply by saying that the nMP is not unique for those instances. There are other machines out there. Possibly cheaper. Possibly more efficient. For whatever reason you seem to take offense to this kind of discussion.


This thread has veered wildly off topic, but that's to be expected since there's really only so much any of us can say about will there or won't there be an update this year. So instead we're all speculating on the future of the device and what Apple's intent is with the device. So lighten up a bit and don't get so bent out of shape when someone offers a dissenting opinion. Just respond with some logic in kind. ;)

Actually, Apple said it was great with 4k. You're the one who feels they're trying to trick us. It's a newer/accessible technology for the group of users Apple is looking to attract IMO. But that's where you think they don't want to attract new customers.

Somehow the conversation then morphs into speculating about good purchasing decisions...as if it somehow matters. --And of course this logic only applies to the nMP argument. Because we all know iPhone sold like crazy and for why? Status symbol. It had nothing to do with power and need.

I think I'm the one that tried to steer the conversation towards a new beginning for the nMP...Like Apple states on their website. And true to form, I believe at one point you tried to suggest it didn't matter how the site was organized.

I didn't get out of sorts and hope you didn't as well. Life is too short for that. I did enjoy going back and forth with you. And fwiw, I'm still correct in that there's no nMP on the horizon. When they do announce it, I'll be happy for the ones that have been waiting. If nothing else, we all deserve a whisper quite computer.
 
So No News from March 9 on Pros....

I was waiting to see if there was any news for the Mac Pro lineup on the 9th. Nothing, so I assume any possible refresh is probably 6 months away?
Any thoughts?
 
I would buy a "Gaming" Mac Pro in a second.

Stick on some overclocked? Intel i7 Skylake? CPU or CPU's.
A Couple of GTX980's or 990's
Couple of half terabyte SSD's
32GB of DDR3 fast Ram.

God that would be so amazingly popular.
I'd love if Apple did that.

Please make that Apple.

They won't of course, but I can dream!

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This machine would be named as 'Mac', without the 'Pro'. :roll eyes:
 
Maybe you are just not good at reading :eek:
Not MacBook Pros... Desktop Pros. Mac Pros. Cylinders... No news on possible updates to that line...

Are there ANY reasonable GPUs to go into Mac Pro and fit the 125W power envelope apart from Tonga?

Excluding Nvidia totally.

AMD is supposed to show new GPUS at Computex from 1st June. Maybe after that time mark we will see adoption of new hardware into Mac Pro.
 
USB Type-C

With USB Type-C, new Intel chips and 5k support, I can't see why there wouldn't be a Mac Pro update this year. Even MacRumors says "Don't Buy", showing that it's at the end of it's product cycle.

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Mac_Pro

I'm guessing an announcement will be made at WWDC in June.

Perfect timing for me as my Power Mac G5 from 2003 finally died. Love that machine!
 
Videocardz says we'll probably see a paper launch of the 380x today so we might see an announcement at WWDC. Apple should have had these cards for atleast a bit already.
 
With USB Type-C, new Intel chips and 5k support, I can't see why there wouldn't be a Mac Pro update this year. Even MacRumors says "Don't Buy", showing that it's at the end of it's product cycle.

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Mac_Pro

I'm guessing an announcement will be made at WWDC in June.

Perfect timing for me as my Power Mac G5 from 2003 finally died. Love that machine!

No 5K support until Skylake.
 
Are there ANY reasonable GPUs to go into Mac Pro and fit the 125W power envelope apart from Tonga?

Excluding Nvidia totally.

AMD is supposed to show new GPUS at Computex from 1st June. Maybe after that time mark we will see adoption of new hardware into Mac Pro.

This is like saying "Is there any way we can put out this forest fire? "

Followed by "Excluding water totally"
 
AMD is supposed to show new GPUS at Computex from 1st June. Maybe after that time mark we will see adoption of new hardware into Mac Pro.
According to information from currently running CeBit fair, the next AMD flagship GPU will consume about 300W. (Article).
 
Give an example then, which GPU will be more powerful in 125W power envelope, than D700?

Ah, the old Straw Man.

Nice try.

AMD 7970 has device id of 6798.

AMD D700 has device id of 6798.

7970 can max out at 270 Watts.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/26.html

And yet 2 of them down clocked and cherry picked from best pieces can somehow fit inside 125 Watts.

So, is it really hard to figure out how to make a GTX980 work in this same way? i.e., it has much lower power needs then 7970 to begin with, simply do same cherry picking and down clocking. (and it will still run rings around 7970/D700)

Next?
 
Give an example then, which GPU will be more powerful in 125W power envelope, than D700?

Why is there a 125 watt power envelope?

Bad design?

I just installed a system with two 1200-watt power supplies for the GPUs.... Real workstations run on 240 volts. ;)
 
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Why is there a 125 watt power envelope?

Bad design?

I just installed a system with two 1200-watt power supplies for the GPUs.... Real workstations run on 240 volts. ;)

Since I work for an electricity providing utility I thank you for your contribution to my retiring plan :D
 
Oh how hard has become buying a good new desktop these days. To complicate things even more, I just heard of the new Vulkan API (successor to OpenGL), and I'm not investing into a new Mac until Apple says something about Vulkan.

I guess there isn't going to be any Mac news until WWDC or even later (and not because of Vulkan, but because most component makers are just worried about the mobile market).
 
At this point, an announcement at WWDC makes perfect sense, with availability soon after. There's no reason not to, at this point.

Not sure why the GPU power thing is being brought up, since it's been shown that you can get 7 tFLOPs out of 125 watts in fp32, so with 2+ year newer silicon, I'd think you could get much more. And with the new 1/2 speed fp64 designs from AMD, imagine the possibilities.
 
Likelihood of there being a single-gpu, twin-cpu version available. Y'know; for people who do things other than video?

0/10? 1/1000,000?
 
I'm really hoping I can get a new Mac Pro this year. Wishing for the following as "base" level specs for $2999.

6-core 3.5 GHz E5-1650 v3 (just don't think 4 cores should be base level in the year 2015)
16 GB DDR4 ECC DRAM
512 GB PCIe Flash Storage

Apple, please announce this is June at WWDC and make available by September or sooner. Thanks.
 
I'm really hoping I can get a new Mac Pro this year. Wishing for the following as "base" level specs for $2999.

6-core 3.5 GHz E5-1650 v3 (just don't think 4 cores should be base level in the year 2015)
16 GB DDR4 ECC DRAM
512 GB PCIe Flash Storage

Apple, please announce this is June at WWDC and make available by September or sooner. Thanks.

A couple of thoughts...

First, any update to the nMP at this point would not warrant stage time at any press event. They will just update it when it's ready.

Next, CPU pricing has not changed with 4 and 6-core Haswell-EP so don't expect any change in low-end nMP pricing.

Finally, we're now about 6-months past the Haswell-EP release so I'd be very surprised to see that update now. I said back around the time the CPUs were released that they didn't offer much in the way of a performance boost and it seems pretty clear that Apple is not bothering to refresh this product simply based on Intel's schedule as a result. The next event that might be the impetus for an update would be the availability of AMDs next-gen GPU, but even that could have some serious hysteresis associated with it due to Apples needs to bin any high-end parts to meet the nMPs thermal amd power requirements. Last I heard, AMDs new GPUs were due in the summer, so perhaps an update to the nMP in the fall or towards the end of the year?
 
I still think it is still likely that nMP will quietly get the new SM951 drives that are up to 50% faster than the drives the machine shipped with.

I think most people would consider 40-50% faster more than "incremental" and in fact a fairly significant upgrade.

The GPUs in nMP will celebrate their 4th birthday between Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. Not updating these will relegate nMP to "joke" category by then, so count on some GPU updates. (Subject to change if iWatch a big hit, then all of the engineers will have to continue working on new cartoon character wristbands) If they are smart they will move to Nvidia Maxwell chips and let nMP stretch it's legs. It's been cramped up in an old steamer trunk for awhile, could use the exercise.

It's a cute design, and certainly much easier to move around. I can roll mine from room to room with much less bother than lugging that giant crate of PCIE slots and HD caddies that the cMP was.
 
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