If that's what you're really looking for then I wouldn't wait on Apple for a solution. No one really knows how successful the nMP has been, but even if sales were less than hoped for I'd think Apple would give it much more than a year and a half to prove itself. Unless it was a total bomb of course, of which there is no evidence either. And if that were the case, I think Apple would just bail from the workstation market completely. There's a reason they radically changed the design. Why would they go back?
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If that's what you're really looking for then I wouldn't wait on Apple for a solution. No one really knows how successful the nMP has been, but even if sales were less than hoped for I'd think Apple would give it much more than a year and a half to prove itself. Unless it was a total bomb of course, of which there is no evidence either. And if that were the case, I think Apple would just bail from the workstation market completely. There's a reason they radically changed the design. Why would they go back?
With Type C as a connector it all comes together.
The nMP will have 6 Type C ports, 4 TB3 and 2 USB 3.0 I'd say. Or they can move to an all 6 port Type C USB
Makes sense, 2 TB3 controllers off the CPU (spare lanes from the GPUs) which might be a step back from the 6 original ports, but no need for an additional USB 3 controller.
The problem is the SSD, which either a switch is used again just to get the SSD direct to the PCIe 3 in the CPU, or keep it on the PCH but at lower speed at PCIe 2, which with the new faster SSDs is too bad a solution.
The nMP will have 6 Type C ports, 4 TB3 and 2 USB 3.0 I'd say. Or they can move to an all 6 port Type C USB
Makes sense, 2 TB3 controllers off the CPU (spare lanes from the GPUs) which might be a step back from the 6 original ports, but no need for an additional USB 3 controller.
The problem is the SSD, which either a switch is used again just to get the SSD direct to the PCIe 3 in the CPU, or keep it on the PCH but at lower speed at PCIe 2, which with the new faster SSDs is too bad a solution.
With Type C as a connector it all comes together.
The nMP will have 6 Type C ports, 4 TB3 and 2 USB 3.0 I'd say. Or they can move to an all 6 port Type C USB
Makes sense, 2 TB3 controllers off the CPU (spare lanes from the GPUs) which might be a step back from the 6 original ports, but no need for an additional USB 3 controller.
The problem is the SSD, which either a switch is used again just to get the SSD direct to the PCIe 3 in the CPU, or keep it on the PCH but at lower speed at PCIe 2, which with the new faster SSDs is too bad a solution.
Is it possible to dynamically allocate PCIe lanes? As in, if you are maxing out a couple thunderbolt 3 controllers, can you drop the GPUs to 8x? It seems like the Mac Pro will have a bandwidth problem shifting around all that data.
Hi there...
I currently have a MacPro 2010 (Mid 2010), 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon with 64 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC + 512GB SSD Drive with QTY 3 x 2TB internal drives.
I am looking to upgrade to the new cylindrical MacPro but I'm worried a refresh is very much around the corner. I usually invest in a new MacPro to last me for the next 4-5 years, so I don't want to jump in too soon this year if there's a strong chance that a new, improved version is just around the corner.
There's nothing wrong with my current machine... I'm running OSX Yosemite 10.10.1 and I'm using a ASUS Bluetooth 4.0 Dongle in conjunction with Continuity Activation Tool to get me all my Handoff/Continuity features.... so I'm right up to speed... but as a given I usually upgrade my machines every 5 years at the max to keep up with new technology etc...
I'm a traditional style graphic designer... my core apps would still be Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, QuarkXpress 10.5 (soon to be 64bit QuarkXpress 2015). I use Final Cut Pro really for personal/home movie editing, nothing really commercial. I do alot of large format design... 10ft x 6ft corporate graphics artworks, so I do need a workhorse... but I'm not a 4K hogging Video/Animator
Last time round I bought my MacPro at the very highest level I could go.... this time round... after some serious research, I realised I bought way over what I needed... so I'm hoping my new MacPro won't need to cost me as much. Any other similar designers out there willing to let me know what spec they went for... to be able to work effectively with similar apps to what I have.
Any comments or suggestions most welcome.
Regards,
Anthony
Irish MacUser & MacAddict
Hello Anthony my name is Connor and I am another avid Mac User. While I have never owned a Mac Pro per se, I still have my Power Mac G5 which is what the Mac Pro was modeled after.
There are really two routes that you could go with:
1) Wait until the 2015 Mac Pro gets announced at WWDC 2015 (5 Days Time) which will most likely feature Thunderbolt 3 using the USB 3.1 connector (USB 3.1 or USB Type-C is 10Gbits per second or 1.25GB per second, while Thunderbolt 3 is 40Gbits per second or 5GB per second, but using the same connector.)
I believe that the 2015 Mac Pro also called MacPro7,1 will include:
For $2999
A Quad-Core 3.5GHz Xeon E5 CPU (3.7GHz Turbo) with 15MB L3 Cache (E5-2637 v3)
with 16 GB DDR4 ECC Memory (2133MHz) (Upgradable to 128GB)
Next-Generation Dual AMD FirePro Workstation GPUs (Up to 4GB GDDR5 VRAM each)
512GB PCIe Gen 3.1-Based Flash Storage (Upgradable to 2TB)
6 USB Type-C Ports (10Gbit/s or 1.25GB/s)
8 Thunderbolt 3 ports (Using a USB Type-C port at 40Gbit/s or 5GB/s)
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0 UltraHD
802.11ac WiFi + BlueTooth 4.2 LE
OS X Redwood version 10.11
For $3999
An 8-Core 3.5GHz Xeon E5 CPU (3.6GHz Turbo) with 20MB L3 Cache (E5-2667 v3)
with 32 GB DDR4 ECC Memory (2133MHz) (Upgradable to 128GB)
Next-Generation Dual AMD FirePro Workstation GPUs (Up to 6GB GDDR5 VRAM each)
512GB PCIe Gen 3.1-Based Flash Storage (Upgradable to 4TB)
6 USB Type-C Ports (10Gbit/s or 1.25GB/s)
8 Thunderbolt 3 ports (Using a USB Type-C port at 40Gbit/s or 5GB/s)
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0 UltraHD
802.11ac WiFi + BlueTooth 4.2 LE
OS X Redwood version 10.11
For $4999
A 12-Core 2.6GHz Xeon E5 CPU (3.5GHz Turbo) with 30MB L3 Cache (E5-2690 v3)
with 32 GB DDR4 ECC Memory (2133MHz) (Upgradable to 256GB)
Next-Generation Dual AMD FirePro Workstation GPUs (Up to 8GB GDDR5 VRAM each)
1TB PCIe Gen 3.1-Based Flash Storage (Upgradable to 4TB)
6 USB Type-C Ports (10Gbit/s or 1.25GB/s)
8 Thunderbolt 3 ports (Using a USB Type-C port at 40Gbit/s or 5GB/s)
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0 UltraHD
802.11ac WiFi + BlueTooth 4.2 LE
OS X Redwood version 10.11
Ultimate Non In-Store Configuration
For $7999
An 16-core 2.5GHz Xeon E7 CPU (3.3GHz Turbo) with 45 L3 Cache (E7-8867 v3)
with 128 GB DDR4 ECC Memory (1866MHz) (Upgradable to 512GB)
Next-Generation Quad AMD FirePro Workstation GPUs (Up to 16GB GDDR5 VRAM each)
4TB PCIe Gen 3.1-Based Flash Storage
6 USB Type-C Ports (10Gbit/s or 1.25GB/s)
8 Thunderbolt 3 ports (Using a USB Type-C port at 40Gbit/s or 5GB/s)
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0 UltraHD
802.11ac WiFi + BlueTooth 4.2 LE
OS X Redwood version 10.11
Or the second option is to wait until the 2015 Mac Pro gets announced in 5 Days or Released in December and grab the latest Refurbished Price-Cut 2013 Mac Pro you can find with the best value:
Refurbished 2013 Mac Pro 3.7GHz 4-core Intel Xeon E5 - Save $450 (Before Next Mac Pro comes out) (Price as of June 3rd, 2015)
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE253LL/A/refurbished-mac-pro-37ghz-quad-core-intel-xeon-e5
Refurbished 2013 Mac Pro 3.5GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 - Save $600 (Before Next Mac Pro comes out) (Price as of June 3rd, 2015)
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD878LL/A/refurbished-mac-pro-35ghz-6-core-intel-xeon-e5
Once the next generation of Mac Pro comes out expect $1000 price cuts or at least $850.
Good Luck!
They built a factory in Texas to make them so it is unlikely they will simply stop production of the product as opposed to finding a way to manufacture a product people want (if that's not the case already). I tend to think the sales are lower just given the popularity of threads here that were buying up old 5,1 stock at the time of the 6,1 release. Many have compared it to the cube.
I'm waiting for skylake to see what, if any concessions there are.
But there's a reason why they abandoned the old design in the first place. If they thought it was that lucrative to build traditional workstations then they'd still be doing it.
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Man, is that wishful thinking?
Where did you get the idea that Apple will use the Xeon 2600 series for even the lower end model? That wouldn't go for 3K, you realize that, don't you?
They'll keep the 1600 series for sure, but Broadwell I imagine. 2600 for the high end as usual.
And forget the E7-8000, no need here and a lot of dough...
What's with the PCIe 3.1 SSD anyway? Typo?!
Forget about 8 TB3 ports, you'd need 2 switches and that is highly unlikely. No reason to have that many ports if there's not enough bandwidth for all. 4 would be the sweet spot, no switch needed.
We'll have to see if HDMI 2 is coming, I believe they'll just ditch it altogether.
Redwood, hum? No Mojave?
Don't count on WWDC.
Now it all comes to shape.
TB display will come with Alpine Ridge soon enough, beginning of next year maybe.
Apple should have samples already I recon.
nMP with TB3, NVMe Samsung SSDs, new AMD GPUs will come early 2016, I guess.
This will be an awesome machine, only problem will be the SSD hanging off the PCH starving for bandwidth.
An option would be the SSD linked directly to the CPU x4 PCIe 3 and the remaining x4 lanes for only 1 Alpine Ridge TB3 controller, or 2 via a switch again.
A lot od wasted PCIe 2 PCH lanes though...
Man, is that wishful thinking?
Where did you get the idea that Apple will use the Xeon 2600 series for even the lower end model? That wouldn't go for 3K, you realize that, don't you?
They'll keep the 1600 series for sure, but Broadwell I imagine. 2600 for the high end as usual.
And forget the E7-8000, no need here and a lot of dough...
What's with the PCIe 3.1 SSD anyway? Typo?!
Forget about 8 TB3 ports, you'd need 2 switches and that is highly unlikely. No reason to have that many ports if there's not enough bandwidth for all. 4 would be the sweet spot, no switch needed.
We'll have to see if HDMI 2 is coming, I believe they'll just ditch it altogether.
Redwood, hum? No Mojave?
Don't count on WWDC.
Now it all comes to shape.
TB display will come with Alpine Ridge soon enough, beginning of next year maybe.
Apple should have samples already I recon.
nMP with TB3, NVMe Samsung SSDs, new AMD GPUs will come early 2016, I guess.
This will be an awesome machine, only problem will be the SSD hanging off the PCH starving for bandwidth.
An option would be the SSD linked directly to the CPU x4 PCIe 3 and the remaining x4 lanes for only 1 Alpine Ridge TB3 controller, or 2 via a switch again.
A lot od wasted PCIe 2 PCH lanes though...
Where will you fit the Quad AMD FirePro cards in the nMP by the way?
And where is the 4TB SSD?
I wish Apple will find another place for the SSD this time around.
I'm not sure how you did your math but those prices are not Apple style.
You upped all the configs maintaining the old prices? No way Apple would do that.
And where is the 4TB SSD?
I wish Apple will find another place for the SSD this time around.
I'm not sure how you did your math but those prices are not Apple style.
You upped all the configs maintaining the old prices? No way Apple would do that.
They abandoned the old design because forced obsolescence (gfx cards) with limited (and more expensive) expandability is more profitable than the traditional workstation pro users wanted. The question is have those users swallowed this new design enough to keep Apple making it without any concessions.
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I agree. Lets keep this thread focused on the new mac pro.
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I agree. Lets keep this thread focused on the new mac pro.
Stealing comments from other threads to take side swipes at people here shouldn't be mistaken for keeping focused. In fact it's a pointless jab you're engaging us in.
nah.. the new mac pro is still the new mac pro.. there are still people using cmp not because they don't like the nmp.. just because they're not in the market for a replacement just yet.
by nmp v3, probably everybody or mostly everybody will be on one (even the naysayers here
).. then it will just be 'mac pro'.. instead of 'new mac pro'..(although what i just wrote is off on some tangent, i meant to say.. don't expect a redesign )
but if the nmp is a failure, i think it would be the end of the mac pro line.. i don't think we'll see a nnmp.. (unless people are still buying them in a decade)
[EdiT]..or, what h.pete said at the top of this page
i'm pretty sure apple doesn't look at time in the same way an individual consumer might.. they look at the product according to an expected life span and figure out how to make the most money in 10years off a certain product.. as opposed to how to make the most money this month or this quarter off a certain product.
in other words.. apple is one of the most successful money makers in history.. argue all you like about what you think apple fails at but you're going to have a very hard time arguing that they're stupid about collecting people's money.. or- it's hard for me to take seriously the person offering business advice to apple.
bennibeef, 10GbE is coming with TB3.
flat, I'm with you, although we don't like it but Apple knows exactly what they're doing and certainly it's not any of us that will teach those guys how to make money, regardless of the way we think things should be done.
The money for them now is in other stuff, phones, watches, tv... let that wear off and maybe, just maybe, they'll come back to making good workstations.
flat, I'm with you, although we don't like it but Apple knows exactly what they're doing and certainly it's not any of us that will teach those guys how to make money, regardless of the way we think things should be done.
The money for them now is in other stuff, phones, watches, tv... let that wear off and maybe, just maybe, they'll come back to making good workstations.
Apple as made many mistake in design and products in the past. They aren't perfect.
making money from gadget is all fine and dandy, but since apple product are enclosed in a walled garden, you still need an apple computer to produce application for those gadget. And you don't need a workstation to use xcode, a simple macbook air does the job for that.
I personnaly believe that the nMP will be the last apple workstation model as their main power users have for the most part moved on to HP, Dell, Boxx and others.
in other words.. apple is one of the most successful money makers in history.. argue all you like about what you think apple fails at but you're going to have a very hard time arguing that they're stupid about collecting people's money.. or- it's hard for me to take seriously the person offering business advice to apple.[/QUOTE said:
It was purchased in bulk by many studios and was backordered for a good 3-5 months. Most people didn't get their units till spring 2014.
Regardless of the what the anti-nMP crusade on here thinks, the machine sells really, really well for what it is.
yeah, others.. like macbooks
software hasn't radically changed in the past decade.. a modern macbook pro will run 10yr old software better than the first mac pros did.. people might of needed a mac pro back then but they don't anymore.
idk.. 'power user' doesn't mean how much power the computer being used has.
After great consideration of many variables. I would say the most likely outcome is..
No new Mac Pro hardware for at least another year, maybe more..
There is simply no good reason for Apple to do so.
The Mac Pro as it stands, if fine for the market it sels mostly in.. Tho the iMac is probably eating into that.
There is a high degree it will be abandoned.
Reasoning.. In real terms, if you need a powerhouse of a machine. "YOU DON'T WANT A TRASH CAN MAC"
There are good reasons why the Trash can mac gets slapped down by many professional "companies".
I just look at many of the smaller Podcasting networks who build their own workstation group of production systems. They typically go PC as its the better decision if you're making the decision based on many thousands you make as a company owner.
As a freelancer, Mac make more sense.. (Offload the technical issues and focus on the art)
Hi end desk top publishing is perfect for the nMP but editing (Over 2k) etc. Simply does not.
Those people want to be able to plug in the latest gfx cards, the latest IO interfaces. Have local storage and not a octopus monster based on Thunderbolt cables that don;t have any form of reliable attachment. (How anyone can consider that connector professional is beyond me. There are "reasons" pro equipment use BNC, plug in, turn, LOCK connectors.)
I simply dont see on any corporate level reason why Apple will continue down this path.. Especially based on the Trash Can Mac. If anything, it has shown how it is a unicorn, a very beautiful unicorn, but hey, we actually live in the real world. Very few of us have the opportunity to justify a unicorn lifestyle.
So, Apple being Apple, will simply let this sit on the vine while it is not losing money. But in reality, the best path forward would be to license OSX to HP/Dell who DO make machines corporates want, and let them take on that, not so profitable, model. Ie make Apple approved/certified industrial systems they sell so well to the big end of town, and allow OSX to be tested and certified against them by Apple.
Apple need to focus on what it does now, and that is consumer level devices, phones, itunes/music/video/TV, laptops, home kit, car kit, etc. Its seems to be where they bring most of their value.
Trash can mac is another Cube.
No new Mac Pro hardware for at least another year, maybe more..
There is simply no good reason for Apple to do so.
The Mac Pro as it stands, if fine for the market it sels mostly in.. Tho the iMac is probably eating into that.
There is a high degree it will be abandoned.
Reasoning.. In real terms, if you need a powerhouse of a machine. "YOU DON'T WANT A TRASH CAN MAC"
There are good reasons why the Trash can mac gets slapped down by many professional "companies".
I just look at many of the smaller Podcasting networks who build their own workstation group of production systems. They typically go PC as its the better decision if you're making the decision based on many thousands you make as a company owner.
As a freelancer, Mac make more sense.. (Offload the technical issues and focus on the art)
Hi end desk top publishing is perfect for the nMP but editing (Over 2k) etc. Simply does not.
Those people want to be able to plug in the latest gfx cards, the latest IO interfaces. Have local storage and not a octopus monster based on Thunderbolt cables that don;t have any form of reliable attachment. (How anyone can consider that connector professional is beyond me. There are "reasons" pro equipment use BNC, plug in, turn, LOCK connectors.)
I simply dont see on any corporate level reason why Apple will continue down this path.. Especially based on the Trash Can Mac. If anything, it has shown how it is a unicorn, a very beautiful unicorn, but hey, we actually live in the real world. Very few of us have the opportunity to justify a unicorn lifestyle.
So, Apple being Apple, will simply let this sit on the vine while it is not losing money. But in reality, the best path forward would be to license OSX to HP/Dell who DO make machines corporates want, and let them take on that, not so profitable, model. Ie make Apple approved/certified industrial systems they sell so well to the big end of town, and allow OSX to be tested and certified against them by Apple.
Apple need to focus on what it does now, and that is consumer level devices, phones, itunes/music/video/TV, laptops, home kit, car kit, etc. Its seems to be where they bring most of their value.
Trash can mac is another Cube.
One of the difficulties I have with this theory is the thought of HPs and Dells on desks at Apple HQ. I almost think Apple will continue to make a Mac Pro for their own needs as employees, and if you are doing that anyway, why not continue to sell them to the public in order to subsidize the engineering effort.
Of course, maybe I have it all wrong and there are HP and Dell workstations all over the place there, but that would surprise me. Rackmount servers maybe, because there's no Xserve any more, but not workstations.
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