I was thinking the same concept of Mac Pro Mini, but then it would be competing with all the general PC's sold everywhere with low margins. And Apple would not go there.
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Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?
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I was thinking the same concept of Mac Pro Mini, but then it would be competing with all the general PC's sold everywhere with low margins. And Apple would not go there.
I agree, but its not totally unjustified. All of Apple's desktops compete against PCs with low margins. There are cheaper versions of the Mac Mini, All-in-ones (iMac) and traditional workstations (Mac Pro). Apple could decide to make their version of the standard desktop.
You got it. Pro is just a marketing term. It has nothing to do with Professional computer needs or markets. Apple is selling dreams that you become musician, pro photo editor or movie maker. There's the analogy with Disneyland.. they're selling dreams.
Anyway, to be different and to have a basis to continue selling Pro dreams... Could be made with Xeon's.
Prosumer market. Wannabe Pro consumers.
(Ok, it's not that black and white.. I know. There are real Pro users. But they alone are not making Pro line profitable. Most of us buy them because they're beautiful/Apple/OS X/cool/awesome/not Windows/fun/my only choice... you name it. BUT Apple markets them as PRO machines.. the choice of true PRO.)
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what's the point of buy macs, then, right?You got it. Pro is just a marketing term. It has nothing to do with Professional computer needs or markets. Apple is selling dreams that you become musician, pro photo editor or movie maker. There's the analogy with Disneyland.. they're selling dreams.
Anyway, to be different and to have a basis to continue selling Pro dreams... Could be made with Xeon's.
Prosumer market. Wannabe Pro consumers.
(Ok, it's not that black and white.. I know. There are real Pro users. But they alone are not making Pro line profitable. Most of us buy them because they're beautiful/Apple/OS X/cool/awesome/not Windows/fun/my only choice... you name it. BUT Apple markets them as PRO machines.. the choice of true PRO.)
And some think that "really slick hardware design" is having 80 PCIe 3.0 lanes and 24 DIMM sockets.
Didn't say it wasn't. But that's obviously not Apple's market, nor one they're interested in. So do you have a point you'd like to share, or do you just like to randomly take quotes out of context?And some think that "really slick hardware design" is having 80 PCIe lanes and 24 DIMM sockets.
I shouldn't even have to explain - it's a basic "form vs. function" issue.Didn't say it wasn't. But that's obviously not Apple's market, nor one they're interested in. So do you have a point you'd like to share, or do you just like to randomly take quotes out of context?
Some people look for "slick form", and like the MP6,1. Others look for "slick function", and like the other available professional workstations with twice as many PCIe 3.0 lanes, three times as many cores, and support for more than 5 times as many GiB of RAM.
But you're absolutely right - Apple isn't interested in the "slick function" market.
Well, you wouldn't have had to explain if you hadn't quoted something that had nothing to do with what you wanted to say.
Apple is interested in the "slick function" market, just not the type of functionality you seem to want in a Mac. As I say all the time around here, it would be great if Apple offered more choices - I really wish they did.
I've always wondered something, so I figure now's as good a time as any to ask. And upfront, realize that I'm not trying to be jerk; this is a serious question: If you despise the nMP so much, why do you spend so much time on this forum voicing your disdain for it? macvidcards does the same thing, and I simply don't understand the motivation. It can't be because you're hoping to affect (in your view) positive change, because I think it's clear to everyone at this point the direction that Apple's headed in and that they're simply never going to re-enter the multi-processor workstation market. Given that, what's the point in continuing to complain about the nMP?
If it were me, I'd find a much more constructive use of my time. And again, I'm not trying to be an a$$ -- I'm seriously very curious about your motivation.
My "sermon" was just about the term "Pro". Mac's are great, fun to use. I have my rMBP. OS X is great OS for personal use.. maybe Apple's Pro = Productivity... not Professional.
I've always wondered why people with eyes and the ability to exercise critical thought would settle for nMP and even defend it. It's like a beautiful wine opener that looks great on a rack but has trouble opening wine bottles.
I sold my first Mac video card in 1983, an 80 column card for the II+ at my dad's store. I entered the film biz in 1987. I am not a casual observer in either realm and don't like the fact that Apple has unleashed a team of PR folks posting nonsensical gibberish with little basis in fact.
When I moved to LA in 1995 every production office was full of PowerBook 165s and I dropped a fortune and got a 180C. (First active matrix color display)
Apple machines dominated the business, especially once they bought Final Cut. The "cool factor" was built on the fact that the machines were REALLY used everywhere here. Since FCPX and the 2013 nMP got announced, the industry has been moving elsewhere. To say otherwise is a lie. They are a great gadget & toy company, but that isn't what got them where they are.
Vulkan performance numbers coming out. Looks promising but we should wait for more detailed info.
Intel hints at Skylake Xeon info till year's end or early 2016 but I guess those will be the SKL-H E3 SKUs.
Intel hints at Skylake Xeon info till year's end or early 2016 but I guess those will be the SKL-H E3 SKUs.
Ashes is still a hot topic.
It seems Async really shines on AMD GPUs, thanks to GCN arch.
Everything is coming AMD's way it seems.
It seems Async really shines on AMD GPUs, thanks to GCN arch.
Everything is coming AMD's way it seems.
I was having a discussion today with someone who codes for a living.
I asked about computer power needs and he made reference to the cloud.
While I don't know anyone who runs a one man show off the cloud, he was telling me several companies rely on cloud for computational intensive tasks
He also mentioned that there are x box games with off the cloud computational rendering which I did not even know existed.
Interesting stuff
I asked about computer power needs and he made reference to the cloud.
While I don't know anyone who runs a one man show off the cloud, he was telling me several companies rely on cloud for computational intensive tasks
He also mentioned that there are x box games with off the cloud computational rendering which I did not even know existed.
Interesting stuff
please, stop giving wrong informations.
6700k benchmark using 64 bit os is around 18.000, against 16.500 of the 4790k. speaking without overclock, at stock speed obviously
I assume that by "you", you're not only addressing AidenShaw or MVC.
Do you know the acronym CITOKATE? It stands for Criticism Is The Only Known Antidote To Error. Nobody should be beyond criticism. Perhaps you may see this as disdain but I think it's only criticism. Even during the heated arguments in this thread the folks around here mostly talk about technology.
I guess nobody expects Apple to change their mind about what direction to take with the nMP based on this forum. However, opinion is formed by a single person speaking out his mind. Other may agree or may disagree and thus some consent among small groups is formed. This consent leads to actions, like discussing ideas how to keep the old Mac Pro from falling behind current technology.
Which in fact keeps people from buying a new computer from Apple and instead put their money into add-ons. When criticism and technical competence are joined together and they are taking a (very tiny) share from Apples business, perhaps than Apple will at least consider the fact that some of their former Mac Pro customers are out there and wondering if they should still be Mac Pro customers?
El Cap beta 8 (dev) / 6 (public) out, last beta before golden?
Apple might give it some time on the 9th, just a short announcement maybe? So we can start drooling...
Anyone see anything new on the code yet? Hint: mention to GPUs
Apple might give it some time on the 9th, just a short announcement maybe? So we can start drooling...
Anyone see anything new on the code yet? Hint: mention to GPUs
El Cap beta 8 (dev) / 6 (public) out, last beta before golden?
Apple might give it some time on the 9th, just a short announcement maybe? So we can start drooling...
Anyone see anything new on the code yet? Hint: mention to GPUs
I don't see any reason for Apple to deviate from its normal fall schedule. iPhones and iOS in september, followed by macs and a new OS X release in october. OS X might get a mention on the 9th, but probably not anything of significance.
I don't think there are any Xbox games that are using cloud rendering. There are games that are using cloud based AI and physics, but only in multiplayer contexts (so the matches are already hosted in the cloud.)
I see. Anyhow, just to show how small the workstation market is.
I had to convince him that I needed more than basic standard computer to run logic X. LOL. No seriuosly why do people come out and tell others things like current iMac is plenty of pro.
Look at Apples new logix Pro X webpage. The mac pro is featured as the defacto machine (see pics).
I had to convince him that I needed more than basic standard computer to run logic X. LOL. No seriuosly why do people come out and tell others things like current iMac is plenty of pro.
Look at Apples new logix Pro X webpage. The mac pro is featured as the defacto machine (see pics).
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