Or, more generously, a ten core with one or two defective cores that was rescued by disabling the defective core(s).
(in the case of one defective core a good core would be disabled to reduce the number of models and improve the speed/TDP)
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(in the case of one defective core a good core would be disabled to reduce the number of models and improve the speed/TDP)
The gap is smaller, but not miniscule.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9649/nvidia-gtx-980-in-notebooks
But performance isn't the sole criteria for selection. Cost , willingness to bundle the way Apple wants (in the "Pro" class) , and OpenCL adoption/support are also likely about as equal criteria. Fail on any of those and Nvidia would loose the design bake off.
You are 100% in error.
Please read the article before posting.
I will await your correction and apology.
(hint: this isn't a 980M)
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]The 1680 v2 had 25MB of cache (the addition 5MB of the two cores flipped off) . The 1680v3 has only 20MB. So yeah it is in the same die as the rest of the 1600 line up.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8423/intel-xeon-e5-version-3-up-to-18-haswell-ep-cores-/4
Some of the backslide on turbo is probably in part coupled to not enough data to keep it fed. Keeping it cool in a tighter space is another. But the 1680v3 is actually listed openly in ark.intel.com. Have to use google search to get to the 1680 v2 page. For whatever reason though Intel has stuck with the quirky price (puts loads more money in their pocket no doubt). It should be a bit lower than that (-$200 or so). We'll see when v4 arrives. Probably depends upon how hard Intel pushes the base/turbo rates up.
4-6 options isn't really alot (could be split into two major sub groupings). They have also lost a small amount of creditability with the "millions of permutations" that is suppose to be a 'insanely great thing' for the Watch in contrast with the you can only choose from a list of 3-4 dogma.
Apple surrendered to the Internet ( not using Appletalk all that much anymore.) In Steve Jobs Flash rant didn't he say that Apple likes standards when appropriate.
M2 is a bit "too loose". There are multiple form factors and 2-3 years ago there was really no solid consensus from PC industry that they were going to adopt. The new Samsung 950 Pro M.2 is going to be sold at retail. The previous Samsung high end PCIe SSDs were not ( OEM only). The question of whether the slim stick format closest to what Apple implemented was going to be adopted broadly or not is apparently over. It is being sold at retail by major suppliers.
It is probably cheaper for Apple to buy. They buy standard connectors and standard parts. Slap their own firmware on them. Same reason why buying Intel and buying ARM architecture license is cheaper. Share R&D costs with others and get better, more affordable products.
Apple had a bug up their but over TRIM. But if over that..... cost, support, and ease of buying wise ... it is better if buying from the industry. If Apple got to point where they rolled their own high end controller and were just buying flash chips in bulk ( like the iOS devices ) to solder onto the board then standards wouldn't make much of a difference. For now though, removable storage is good. High amounts of write activiy means the SSD is likely to wear out before the Mac system will.
It is better that Thunderbolt is somewhat widely adopted than Apple Display connector that went no where fast.
Apple already set the trend before the standard was really dry. Almost all the Macs are stick SSD only.
this is one of those things like EFI where Apple is more so waiting for the PC industry to catch up to the trend that is already moving.
Bend? It was fundamentally the same thing electrically. Primarily the physical key notches in the connectors were different. The dimensions of the board were slightly different. More different for difference sake than a "bend" in direction long term.
Not at this stage. The design has been frozen. And in retrospect not too surprising that Intel traded PCIe 4 for their own in house interconnect after spending many many millions to buy it. Intel bought Aries / True Scale. Omni Path is a follow on to those ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/9561/exploring-intels-omnipath-network-fabric ).
Lots of boards haven't fully taken advantage of PCIe v3. Cranking the speed of PCIe v4 even higher is likely going to be at least as bumpy as the transition from v2 to v3 was. Sandy Bridge was late because of that. The folks highly demanding PCIe v4 were mainly the Infiniband and 100GbE folks. Intel's Omni-Path is better near term route that probably will be more cost effective. AMD barely got to PCIe v3 and who else is in hot persuit. ( Power and Sparc are also messing with other stuff also. )
Just doing 8 more PCIe v3 lanes is easier. Some folks can plug in more x16 and x8 cards and board vendors can solder on more 10GbE , Thunderbolt v3 and sockets for M2 x4 PCIe v3 SSDs.
I would like to add that if Apple find it better, for any reason, economical or technical or whatever else, to adapt the M.2 connector they will certainly do it.
They 're not going to stick to a choice from the past, even if it's their invention.
As an example, in addition to the ADC dec wrote about, I can't really count how many times they have changed the ssd connector in Macbook Air...
Yeah Apple doesn't create new standards and sockets just to screw with people. They usually have a good reason (which may not match others’ priorities, certainly, but that’s another matter entirely). I could certainly see them swap to m.2 now that it’s actually settled. Not like they’d be losing any speed in the process… although given that it’s a custom Apple chip I doubt they’d swap something like the new Macbook.
(Kind of funny that Apple's vision of one video cable to rule them all with ADC is coming around and then some with USB3 Type-C though.)
(Kind of funny that Apple's vision of one video cable to rule them all with ADC is coming around and then some with USB3 Type-C though.)
But will Apple risk having everyone swapping SSDs in their machines and potentially create a support nightmare?
Somehow every other manufacturer supports lots of PCIe and SATA SSDs and spinners, and there's no "support nightmare". Nearly very other OS/system also manages to automatically support TRIM on an SSD if the device says that it supports TRIM during device initialization.
That's the beauty of IO device interface standards - no support nightmares.
Everyone was able to swap traditional HDs in all Apple computers till the SSD era.
At worst, it'd be a situation where you pull out the 3rd party parts and just take the original SKU into the Apple Store for repairs (just like people used to have to do if they had 3rd party RAM.)
Agreed, but they can't really go for less than a 3x(5k) monitor capability, or the nMP(7) will seem like a reduced/inferior setup compared to the current version. And, after several years of waiting, the [5k/27"] & [4k/23"] Apple Monitors will probably be released at the same time. Plus, showcasing some select high-end users with impressive rigs (for editing feature films etc) is always good marketing..
I've been a Mac user since my 128K.
I'm reluctant to switch to Windows, but the 2013 nmp is not my cup of tea.
Now it's 2015 and there is no word.
How hard would it be for Apple to make a new Mac Pro that could be upgraded and customized by the user?
I'd pay top dollar for that.
Looking at the HP site...
It is possible to configure towers to very high specs.
I am thinking that Apple is out of this market.
From my perspective, they could still make money by supporting such a platform.
Maybe they will release a new "7,1" closed can?
Will probably be outdated by the release date.
No user upgrades possible.
Then we can wait another couple of years for another outdated can.
No user upgrades possible.
I appeal to the spirit of Steve....
Please don't let the Mac Pro die like this!
I'm reluctant to switch to Windows, but the 2013 nmp is not my cup of tea.
Now it's 2015 and there is no word.
How hard would it be for Apple to make a new Mac Pro that could be upgraded and customized by the user?
I'd pay top dollar for that.
Looking at the HP site...
It is possible to configure towers to very high specs.
I am thinking that Apple is out of this market.
From my perspective, they could still make money by supporting such a platform.
Maybe they will release a new "7,1" closed can?
Will probably be outdated by the release date.
No user upgrades possible.
Then we can wait another couple of years for another outdated can.
No user upgrades possible.
I appeal to the spirit of Steve....
Please don't let the Mac Pro die like this!
Agreed. May have to seriously consider a Hackintosh - Cheaper, better specs, still running OS-X, user-upgradeable "open-can". (But with limited support & resale value). - Especially with the Mac Pro pushing 2½ years between versions. Shame.
(don't mean to pick on you specifically, but...) I know I'm talking to the bubble fringe, but for the millionth time, "Steve" was clearly not a fan of the the upgradeable computer concept as suggested by 30 years of historical evidence.
Again, I know I'm talking to the bubble fringe, but upgradeable computers is an evolutionary dead end. Consumer products (i.e. something you can buy from a retail store) are almost never upgradeable. Whether it's cell phones, household appliances, audio/video equipment, cars, computer peripheral, musical instruments, furniture (just looking around my house
)... pretty much anything you own or use on a daily basis since the beginning of time is not upgradeable in any sense equivalent to what we saw with the first 30 years of the personal computer. That 30 years was an anomaly. So you guys can continue to whine about how they don't make upgradeable Macs anymore - certainly your prerogative, but upgradeable PC's in general is a dying niche. The capabilities of the nMP caters perfectly well to 90% of the "professional workstation" market. Most of the whiners seem to be incredibly talented and successful professionals who are broke...
Or they simply refuse to change with the times... and I do "get" that... I've been there (and am still there occasionally), and it sucks when products we like change and no longer fit our specific needs. But I have enough perspective to know that I'm in a small minority, and Apple isn't interested (and never has been) in serving small minorities of users.
So, yeah, whine about how Macs suck now, but after you get it out of your system, build your Hackintosh, or switch to a Windows PC, or whatever, but geez, move on already and be happy. And you don't have to send out individual announcements that you're moving on, just do it. Then go to a respective PC forum and share in the good cheers about what a great decision you made.
(don't mean to pick on you specifically, but...) I know I'm talking to the bubble fringe, but for the millionth time, "Steve" was clearly not a fan of the the upgradeable computer concept as suggested by 30 years of historical evidence.
Again, I know I'm talking to the bubble fringe, but upgradeable computers is an evolutionary dead end. Consumer products (i.e. something you can buy from a retail store) are almost never upgradeable. Whether it's cell phones, household appliances, audio/video equipment, cars, computer peripheral, musical instruments, furniture (just looking around my house
So you guys can continue to whine about how they don't make upgradeable Macs anymore - certainly your prerogative, but upgradeable PC's in general is a dying niche. The capabilities of the nMP caters perfectly well to 90% of the "professional workstation" market. Most of the whiners seem to be incredibly talented and successful professionals who are broke...
Or they simply refuse to change with the times... and I do "get" that... I've been there (and am still there occasionally), and it sucks when products we like change and no longer fit our specific needs. But I have enough perspective to know that I'm in a small minority, and Apple isn't interested (and never has been) in serving small minorities of users.
So, yeah, whine about how Macs suck now, but after you get it out of your system, build your Hackintosh, or switch to a Windows PC, or whatever, but geez, move on already and be happy. And you don't have to send out individual announcements that you're moving on, just do it. Then go to a respective PC forum and share in the good cheers about what a great decision you made.
So we should all just shut up.
Thanks for the tip.
The capabilities of the nMP caters perfectly well to 90% of the "professional workstation" market.
Most of the whiners seem to be incredibly talented and successful professionals who are broke...
Or they simply refuse to change with the times...
Then go to a respective PC forum and share in the good cheers about what a great decision you made.
Are there 5 or 6 r's in presumptuous?! WOW!
You're welcome!
Seriously, not trying to stop the flow of free expression and critical thought (though it would be nice if a few of the folks here gave it a little more thought)... and this is a speculation thread that's pretty much open to whatever anyone wants to talk about as long as it's somehow related to the Mac Pro.
But let's take you for example. You've been whining about the nMP every chance you get for two years now. So my tip is maybe it's time to let it go and move on. As I expressed in my previous post, if you want to continue to endlessly whine about the exact same thing that isn't going to change, yeah, that's your prerogative.
I know I'm mostly wasting my time here as well, but I enjoy occasionally chatting about the industry and where's it's headed. But dude, you're a really boring part of the discussion at this point because you're not even trying to offer insight or a different perspective on things. You're bubble boy.
Just like MVC's post. You guys like to just harp on everything without offering anything.
I offer that my cMP does everything I need it to do. The nMP would be pointless as would debating with you!
Yeah, the cMP does everything you need it to do - that's great! Don't know what it has to do with my post though? Maybe that's why it would be pointless to have a discussion with me, because you don't have a point?I offer that my cMP does everything I need it to do. The nMP would be pointless as would debating with you!
I think that maybe the problem of some people here, is the lack of upgradable the last few macs are. Maybe it is where Apple is heading, I don't know. maybe that way they have more control on how to fully use the tech with their software, i don't know.
My main issue with Apple is for them to charge for nMP at minimum 3000 euros after 2 and half years later, while the tech used on the nMP, costs less then half then when the nMP was released.
Maybe they should have release an upgrade the processors or something. Making worth while to spend the money. Personally many people are reluctant to pay at least 3000 euros for tech that is almost 3 years old.
Just an example. My graphics card on my PC, costs minus 200 euros, just a year later. Would I choose today? Probably not, I would go for graphics card that costed the same today that my graphics card cost one year ago.
My main issue with Apple is for them to charge for nMP at minimum 3000 euros after 2 and half years later, while the tech used on the nMP, costs less then half then when the nMP was released.
Maybe they should have release an upgrade the processors or something. Making worth while to spend the money. Personally many people are reluctant to pay at least 3000 euros for tech that is almost 3 years old.
Just an example. My graphics card on my PC, costs minus 200 euros, just a year later. Would I choose today? Probably not, I would go for graphics card that costed the same today that my graphics card cost one year ago.
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And I find the mindless sheeple blindly following Apple and praising their every move, no matter how consumer unfriendly, EXTREMELY boring. Guys like you just like to praise every change they make, no matter how backwards or obviously flawed. You are a bubble boy.
See how unfriendly a post like that is? It's one thing to praise or denounce a machine or it's parts. You turned it into a personal crusade and are denouncing people for not following you over the cliff with the other lemmings . Not needed. I haven't asked you to stop posting drivel, don't ask me too. It's a free internet.
Dude, you're trolling again. (and you of all people playing the victim card? LOL... Really?
)Again, the difference is that I don't think your perspective about what you like or want to use is drivel, as I stated so, and just as I stated everyone has a right to express their opinion, despite you suggesting otherwise. But I am able to deal with many different perspectives and shades of grey, I don't see it as black and white or that one "side" is lemmings because they like or don't like an individual product.
That's the reason you're in the bubble... you're unable to see anything beyond your own point of view and you shut out everything that might conflict with that. That is part of the reason why you so often substitute what someone actually said with what you wanted them to say... so that you can somehow make it fit into your own narrow world view.
So, yeah, whine about how Macs suck now, but after you get it out of your system, build your Hackintosh, or switch to a Windows PC, or whatever, but geez, move on already and be happy. And you don't have to send out individual announcements that you're moving on, just do it. Then go to a respective PC forum and share in the good cheers about what a great decision you made.
So this wasn't you suggesting that people who don't agree with you should go to another forum? Guess I misunderstood.
Yeah, you did (in general, your reading comprehension is pretty poor btw). A number of people were suggesting they had it with Apple and were going to switch to Hackintosh or Windows. I suggested that those headed on that path follow through and be happy, because Apple is not going to give them the product they want.
What you selectively ignored was...
And while calling it "whining" is due to annoyance, after two years of nearly non-stop bashing of the nMP, it's no longer constructive criticism - plain and simple, it's whining.
Again and again you seem to see everything as agreement or disagreement, as right and wrong. I'm not interested in dismissing those who disagree with me. I'm sincerely interested in what other people have to say even when they might disagree. But most often, they don't actually offer any alternative perspectives, they just ignore or take out of context what I've said, and restate what's already been said for the millionth time.
You bash the nMP for not being the product you want it to be, call everyone who likes the nMP a lemming, suggest that Apple is clueless, and slam every post that points out a different take on that ... but of course you're the one being persecuted.
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