Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?

[MacProCard]

I have said it in another thread and I will say it here, If there was an xMac that made upgrading graphics as easy as PCS for gaming (develepor support would come because of this) Apple would have Windows by the balls, why they choose to ignore this has got me stuffed. Its that simple!

In reality the markets are controlled and split up by powerful men. That's why one board member often sits on multiple boards. That's also why CEOs jump from company to company. --Keeps the cocktail club mingling and strengthens relationships among large corporations.

That's also why certain combination of desirable features only only exist on certain products. --Like lots of horsepower on AWD sedans. They say it's because of driving experience. But in reality only a small handful of sedans are allowed to have it.

 

[MacVidCards]

Ahh, I see, it's a conspiracy ! Cook went out to lunch with Gates and it was decided that Apple's turn to make mediocre workstations had come. Gates got the check and Mr. Burns laughed an evil laugh. The global workstation conspiracy! There are rumors they were at "the book depository"

 

[MacProCard]

From running OS X on unsupported computers, to swapping CPU/GPU/memory/drives, and even updating standards and features (USB 3.x, 802.11AC, Bluetooth 4.0, Continuity, Handoff) there are clearly many, many people that like to change their computer from stock.

Perhaps upgraders are the minority. Heck, I'm willing to concede that even though I don't think there's a way to prove that one way or the other. But regardless, just on the MR forums alone, there are a huge number of people that care about changing their computer from stock.

So "who cares"? Well, a lot of us do.

Easy! One of the best indicators is retail space. And quite frankly upgrading your PC has become a internet thing. So while it is popular, it's not as mainstream as you like to think. Just look at the space dedicated to it in your local BestBuy. DVDs and appliances are more popular.

 

[MacProCard]

Ahh, I see, it's a conspiracy ! Cook went out to lunch with Gates and it was decided that Apple's turn to make mediocre workstations had come. Gates got the check and Mr. Burns laughed an evil laugh. The global workstation conspiracy! There are rumors they were at "the book depository"

I wouldn't expect a person that sells used video cards to understand BIG business. LOL!

 

[tuxon86]

Easy! One of the best indicators is retail space. And quite frankly upgrading your PC has become a internet thing. So while it is popular, it's not as mainstream as you like to think. Just look at the space dedicated to it in your local BestBuy. DVDs and appliances are more popular.

That's because store like Best Buy are themselve a dying breed and being replaced by online store. Amazon, Newegg, EBay have pretty much replace the brick and mortar store when it comes to tech product. Even for Apple it is way more convenient to shop online then face their abysmal failure of customer service in their store. Having to take an appointement to have one of their pimply face "associate" take your order, which BTW they order online just as if you had done so yourself, is frankly a total waste of time and ressources.

 

[tuxon86]

I wouldn't expect a person that sells used video cards to understand BIG business. LOL!

And we should instead believe a guy who created a similarly named alias for the purpose of just trolling the guy?

 

[MacProCard]

That's because store like Best Buy are themselve a dying breed and being replaced by online store. Amazon, Newegg, EBay have pretty much replace the brick and mortar store when it comes to tech product. Even for Apple it is way more convenient to shop online then face their abysmal failure of customer service in their store. Having to take an appointement to have one of their pimply face "associate" take your order, which BTW they order online just as if you had done so yourself, is frankly a total waste of time and ressources.

I disagree. Retail is all about foot traffic. The cost per sq ft is actually leased based upon it(Can't wait for you to tell me I'm wrong...just because!). No conspiracy. Plain and simple. PCs are now disposable versus the major purchases it once was....so retail space has dwindled. That is your indicator. It is now a hobby not a need!

 

[MacProCard]

And we should instead believe a guy who created a similarly named alias for the purpose of just trolling the guy?

Actually, we had a used video card salesman attempt to tell me I'm wrong. He didn't provide any data...just his experience in life.

 

[tuxon86]

I disagree. Retail is all about foot traffic. The cost per sq ft is actually leased based upon it(Can't wait for you to tell me I'm wrong...just because!). No conspiracy. Plain and simple. PCs are now disposable versus the major purchases it once was....so retail space has dwindled. That is your indicator. It is now a hobby not a need!

Your disagreing with it as no impact on the reality of thing. Online shopping is becoming the norm and has steadily grown over the past 15 years while big surfaces have gone bankrupt year after year. PCs, Mac have always been disposable, just like any other tech product. They all become obsolete after a couple of year and are replaced with the next best thing. The Mac isn't immune to this.

 

[MacProCard]

Your disagreing with it as no impact on the reality of thing. Online shopping is becoming the norm and has steadily grown over the past 15 years while big surfaces have gone bankrupt year after year. PCs, Mac have always been disposable, just like any other tech product. They all become obsolete after a couple of year and are replaced with the next best thing. The Mac isn't immune to this.

Let me help you out. If there was enough demand for it...it would exist in a retail environment. Plain and simple. Or do you think all retail is doomed?

 

[lowendlinux]

 

[AidenShaw]

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As I get older I am increasingly of the opinion that "Going Green" is more about good feelings than real actions, but that's something for another thread, no doubt.

Still, how much powerful would the Mac Pro be if there were no over-riding concern to reduce power consumption? I suspect they'd have more powerful GPU's for one thing.

Is the concern voiced in the thread about "going green", or is it concern about finding updated components that fit within the severely constrained power and cooling capacity of the MP6,1 ?

 

[ManuelGomes]

Anyone installed El Cap final yet?
Any noticeable performance improvements?

 

[koyoot]

Guys, I think in the concern of going green you forgot that Nano shows where the world goes in the highest end. The form factor of Nano is the form factor of future GPUs. They will be that small, thanks to HBM.

 

[AidenShaw]

Guys, I think in the concern of going green you forgot that Nano shows where the world goes in the highest end. The form factor of Nano is the form factor of future GPUs. They will be that small, thanks to HBM.

Or, they'll be as big as the biggest now - but they'll have three or four HBM GPUs.

The Nano isn't the only future, it has some compromises to fit the Mini ITX form factor.

 

[sigmadog]

Is the concern voiced in the thread about "going green", or is it concern about finding updated components that fit within the severely constrained power and cooling capacity of the MP6,1 ?

Personally, I was offering a larger cultural opinion about the "Going Green" ethos.

In this context, of course, the power consumption level seems to result in, from what I've read here, GPU's that are under-clocked (if that is the right term) to fit into the power consumption and cooling capacity window determined by a small, tubular design. Which came first, the tube or the power and cooling parameters?

My (uneducated) guess is the design (the tube) dictated the parameters (lower power). This is exactly opposite of the classical design aphorism: Form Follows Function.

This fits into Apple's overall "Make it small" conceptual framework, but also plays into the cultural "Save Power = Save the Planet" (which is largely B.S. in my opinion). Two birds with one stone, as it were.

 

[MacProCard]

I think it really breaks down to "it has to start somewhere". And I suspect Apple consumers tend to be wealthier and more socially conscious. Similar to organics. Just ask Whole Foods how well that works. BS? Of course! It's marketing!

BTW Sigmadog. That signature is awesome. Nice LOL!

 

[MacProCard]

Of all branches in the U.S. Army, the Infantry is unique because its core competency is founded on the individual Soldier-the Infantry rifleman

A little off topic. --Remember the "Army of one" marketing campaign in the early 2000s? That turned out to be a ~300 million dollar loss. That's what happens when your marketing message doesn't follow the culture of the organization.

 

[robeddie]

In reality the markets are controlled and split up by powerful men. That's why one board member often sits on multiple boards. That's also why CEOs jump from company to company. --Keeps the cocktail club mingling and strengthens relationships among large corporations.

That's also why certain combination of desirable features only only exist on certain products. --Like lots of horsepower on AWD sedans. They say it's because of driving experience. But in reality only a small handful of sedans are allowed to have it.

Wow, what's your deal? There's enough 'real' things in the world to focus your intelligence on ... please don't waste it on this kind of crap.

 

[Melodist]

I'm really disappointed by how Apple is treating their professional customer base, and as stunning, innovative and intrepid their new Mac Pro design is, it also comes at a high price: lack of upgradable internal storage / drives, which are a given for professionals. Not to mention their lack of choices on how to put your Mac Pro together, because I'm pretty sure that half the people interested in buying a new Mac Pro wouldn't pick up one of these expensive Fire Pro graphics cards. So they probably charge around 600 bucks for something most of the people don't really want / need, and the prices they charge for the physical hardware offered border on insolence. So people who have picked up the new model probably spent more than 1 grand on compensating the development department for the new design. And where is the option to buy external casings at a discount when ordering the new Mac Pro, because customers as sure as hell won't cope with solely 250 gigabytes of internal flash storage? To me, the new Mac Pro is one giant cluster**** for everybody depending on Apple's line of workstations. For now, I stick with my early 2008 machine, but I'd really like to upgrade.

 

[vladi]

I'm surprised Apple didn't make proprietary upgrade modules for nMP for people who want to upgrade. At proprietary prices of course.

 

[lowendlinux]

A little off topic. --Remember the "Army of one" marketing campaign in the early 2000s? That turned out to be a ~300 million dollar loss. That's what happens when your marketing message doesn't follow the culture of the organization.

Was that just general commentary about an ill conceived marketing campaign that brought a lot of questionable soldiers into the ranks or in reference to my sig directly? My sig is pulled directly from 3-21.8 and it's in reference to the fact that the Infantry doesn't fight something i.e. a tank or an artillery piece, the infantryman himself is the fighter.

Here is the rest of the paragraph:

"While other branches tend to focus on weapon systems and platforms to accomplish their mission, the Infantry alone relies almost exclusively on the human dimension of the individual rifleman to close with and destroy the enemy. This Soldier-centric approach fosters an environment that places the highest value on individual discipline, personal initiative, and performance-oriented leadership. The Infantry ethos is encapsulated by its motto: Follow Me!"

 

[filmak]

I'm surprised Apple didn't make proprietary upgrade modules for nMP for people who want to upgrade. At proprietary prices of course.

Unfotunately it seems that these days have passed away for Apple.
Nowadays they present peripherals only for iOS devices...

 

[MacVidCards]

This might be very difficult for you to understand but it wasn't designed to be changed often. Constantly being upgraded and changed isn't the purpose of this product. Just take one look and you should be able to understand that. Never was so why did you think it should be again? --Because they reissued a brand name on a new product that's not like the old product it once represented? Can't believe such a simple marketing move would cause so many techies heads to spin.

Here is a 1,1 from 2006 running current OS, and using Octane Render at speeds completely current. Note that the baseline numbers are for a GTX980 at PCIE 3.0.

Now ask yourself how many 2013 nMPs will be able to run anything at all by 2022? If that is too hard to think of, realize that the 1,1 would have been locked out of new OS's at 10.8 if it still had GPUs stuck in it as nMP does. So, when 10.8 came out it's value would have plunged like a dead falcon.

As far as the "I'm a Pro and work at Big Company LLC, we sell everything as soon as it collects dust and buy new ones" argument, realize that a big part of why the 3,1 and the 4,1 and the 5,1 held their value so well for so long was precisely because they remained relevant. How relevant would this 1,1 be with an X1900 or GT 7300? (No CUDA, No OPENCl)

What is going to happen to values of 6,1 as time goes on? Really think about it. (think "Crater" think "VW Diesel")

 

[koyoot]

Or, they'll be as big as the biggest now - but they'll have three or four HBM GPUs.

The Nano isn't the only future, it has some compromises to fit the Mini ITX form factor.

The GPU die has ~600 mm2. R9 490X should have similar die size to R9 390X. And much, much higher core count than even Fury Nano.