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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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When Apple transitioned to Intel Mac in 2006, they needed to catch up with the much better performing PC's at that time.
I have a gut feeling this time around Apple is ahead of the game, and Apple's chips will blow all the other out of the water. Windows PC's will need to catch up with Apple again.
Whatever the case may be, I need a new iMac soon. My 2011 iMac is getting slow. The GPU died a few months back. I revived it by baking it, but it might fail anytime soon again.
I hope the update is coming soon. I'm ok with getting the last Intel iMac. I like to play AAA games in my spare time. Right now Bootcamp is the best option for that.
I have a gut feeling this time around Apple is ahead of the game, and Apple's chips will blow all the other out of the water. Windows PC's will need to catch up with Apple again.
Whatever the case may be, I need a new iMac soon. My 2011 iMac is getting slow. The GPU died a few months back. I revived it by baking it, but it might fail anytime soon again.
I hope the update is coming soon. I'm ok with getting the last Intel iMac. I like to play AAA games in my spare time. Right now Bootcamp is the best option for that.
Well Intel (and to a lesser extent, AMD) have been slow in getting new product out for Apple to put into their Macs.
Makes sense. I think he’s right. All the evidence is there. I believe Apple simply decided they didn’t want to be subject to the criticism “on the day of the big unveiling for Apple’s long planned ARM strategy, the one hardware product they launched was an intel product.”
Plus they mentioned that it would have 10th Gen Intel (that’s all good) and a yet ‘unreleased’ AMD graphics card? So at least those GPUs would have to be released first?
At 0:14 is the image of the WWDC screen when Tim said "In fact we have some intel-based Macs in the pipeline that we're really excited about". I posted the same image on Monday. The image is of an iMac and two MacBooks. I don't follow what Apple does with laptops but I see Apple putting up that image as a clear sign that the iMac and MacBooks are going to get further intel releases. Tim said new intel devices are coming and Apple showed you three machines. It would be misleading if that did not have meaning.
I'm not aware of leaks that intel MacBooks are coming but Kuo said intel iMac is coming Q3 and I'm convinced it is. End of July at the latest IMO, and likely redesign, to give them selling appeal as they were beyond outdated and Apple will want to give intel devices appeal pre-transition. The 27" iMac may not get AS for another 12-24 months so an intel release now will drive sales for that market. AS 24" iMac will probably be released at Oct/Nov event barring hiccups. Possibly along with the rumoured 10.8 iPad Air (Digitimes/Kuo 2H20) and/or mini LED iPad Pro (Kuo), although the latter may have slipped to 2021 according to various sources. Exciting times.
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Yeah, I totally agree with this. I was working and completely forgot to watch most of the Keynote, so tuned in when they were showing Maya Universal support in the “secret underground” labs. And then not long after allusions to “we have great products coming in the pipeline, stay with us to know more” to then meet the end of the keynote... “what products! That’s it? Where’s the iMac bump refresh... damn you Prosser” rush to mind. But with a fresh state by just starting late the keynote it was clear to me that new refreshes are coming soon, I’m still expecting them to be either officially announced, alluded to or getting bloggers mentions towards the end of this week.
A 125W TDP CPU and a 300W TDP GPU.
Apple should make the back panel non-stick so you can fry an egg and some bacon on it while you do a heavy render.
Apple should make the back panel non-stick so you can fry an egg and some bacon on it while you do a heavy render.
Thank god. This video should theoretically make any post here pointless till the next leak arises.
So no new iMac yet.
There are nearly no substantial leaks like photos on cases. There are only hearsay so the video does not contribute with much that have not be covered by others. Arguments are fine though and believable.
I think there are arguments to believe the next intel iMac could still be a redesigned one.
Personally, if they keep the old case, I think many people would wait for the AS macs. Offering a new case would help also understand that the changes to the new macs are purely under the hood.
A pure refresh wouldn't bring much innovation, which is what lacks to macs lately and the reason why Apple is lagging in sales with respect to the main competitors.
Federighi, in his video interview, clearly said that a new platform is often seen with scepticism. Offering an intel mac with a new case and then changing in 18 months the CPU inside to turn it AS could be a way to have people getting accustomed to the change without feeling they are buying a completely different machine.
At the same time, investing money on a design with much higher TDPs than what the AS mac will need could be a waste.
However, the design could be done so that when AS SoCs are used, they can just reduce the thickness and keep the rest.
Personally, if they keep the old case, I think many people would wait for the AS macs. Offering a new case would help also understand that the changes to the new macs are purely under the hood.
A pure refresh wouldn't bring much innovation, which is what lacks to macs lately and the reason why Apple is lagging in sales with respect to the main competitors.
Federighi, in his video interview, clearly said that a new platform is often seen with scepticism. Offering an intel mac with a new case and then changing in 18 months the CPU inside to turn it AS could be a way to have people getting accustomed to the change without feeling they are buying a completely different machine.
At the same time, investing money on a design with much higher TDPs than what the AS mac will need could be a waste.
However, the design could be done so that when AS SoCs are used, they can just reduce the thickness and keep the rest.
I think there is a 0% chance they redesign the iMac with an Intel chip.
Any new design will be built around the cooling requirements of Apple’s ARM chip.
If they release an updated Intel iMac, it will be the old form factor.
I don’t think Tim’s Apple will redesign the Intel 27” iMac while all the rumors indicate a 24” arm iMac, because also Intel 27” iMac and the upcoming 27” AS iMac (if there will be such product?) will have so different tdp packages.
I don’t think that’s the case here. Engineering a new design takes years and I think the new iMac design was built for Intel. My money is on a redesign, I think Sonny Dickson leaked the correct specs but was just wrong about WWDC.
The chances of a redesigned intel iMac are 0%. The chances of a redesigned ARM iMac next year are pretty decent.
Any "new" intel iMac will be a refresh with new processors and GPU.
Any "new" intel iMac will be a refresh with new processors and GPU.
We shall see in a few weeks hopefully. My money is on a redesign though.
Nicely said! I agree (/heart)
I think there is 0% chance they they won't redesign Intel. I've stated why few posts above or just like FrankySavyy said 2 posts above this one.
But I don't like absolute numbers so I won't be a jerk and say: Ok, not 0% but 5% chance.
Redesign with Intel will most likely happen for various reasons that were discussed here till death.
Shall I be a bitch and bookmark these?
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I think there is 0% chance they they won't redesign Intel. I've stated why few posts above or just like FrankySavyy said 2 posts above this one.
But I don't like absolute numbers so I won't be a jerk and say: Ok, not 0% but 5% chance.
Redesign with Intel will most likely happen for various reasons that were discussed here till death.
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Shall I be a bitch and bookmark these?
So many posts of zero percent chance of redesign intel mac, give me hope that there will be one.
I doubt that Apple would want to redesign the intel iMac given the design would be optimised for AS chips instead.
There was a good tear down + thermal testing of the recent MBA 13 release by LTT and one of the things that was noticed was that the physical cooling of the device almost seemed intentionally under powered. At the time (before formal announcement of AS) that seemed like some conspiracy type stuff given that Apple was intentionally making the MBA underperform and even the heatsink didn’t sit fully flush with the intel chipset either.
The recent understanding now is that the revised MBA 13 cooling design was optimised for AS chips and given that expectations around laptop TDP and performance (especially on an Air model) are relatively lower than the expectations and requirements around desktop chips, Apple could afford to ship an intel MBA with cooling designed for AS chips without sacrificing too much in perceived performance for the target market of that product.
If apple were to do the same for iMacs? Yeaaaaah that won’t sit too well with a lot of people.
Because product design isn’t just purely about aesthetics but is also about functionality, I seriously doubt that the intel refresh would come with a redesign, UNLESS they nerf the intel chips massively.
There was a good tear down + thermal testing of the recent MBA 13 release by LTT and one of the things that was noticed was that the physical cooling of the device almost seemed intentionally under powered. At the time (before formal announcement of AS) that seemed like some conspiracy type stuff given that Apple was intentionally making the MBA underperform and even the heatsink didn’t sit fully flush with the intel chipset either.
The recent understanding now is that the revised MBA 13 cooling design was optimised for AS chips and given that expectations around laptop TDP and performance (especially on an Air model) are relatively lower than the expectations and requirements around desktop chips, Apple could afford to ship an intel MBA with cooling designed for AS chips without sacrificing too much in perceived performance for the target market of that product.
If apple were to do the same for iMacs? Yeaaaaah that won’t sit too well with a lot of people.
Because product design isn’t just purely about aesthetics but is also about functionality, I seriously doubt that the intel refresh would come with a redesign, UNLESS they nerf the intel chips massively.
What do you expect? To see an image of the redesign sitting there? Means nothing.... It's not a conspiracy to trick us. geeze..
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A AS chip can fit in any case with any screen with any vid card with any memory. I'm pretty sure the design can handle this change easily. case-> imac and imac pro. Different fan, but otherwise, case, display, etc... A mother board is gereally the same size in a given platform.
Now that doesn't mean we won't just see a spec bump, but it didn't sound like that to me.
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Ok, I'll try one last time.
Common sense here - redesign takes months/years to plan so if we take all indicators, all leaks and all info we have then the next intel iMac will get redesign. It really is simple. I seriously doubt that when Apple was planning iMac 27" 2 or so years ago redesign they were also betting that at that time ARM will be happening. They had a plan for ARM but for such a thing it probably wasn't concrete (unlike the intel redesign which most likely was concrete plan).
So, for all these reasons I believe that next Intel iMac will get redesign. Its just the most logical for many many reasons.
And given the situation with ARM its also the best case scenario.
You will see soon enough.
There will be one most likely. Its the most logical approach Apple can take as Askunk nicely said in his post few lines above.
Common sense here - redesign takes months/years to plan so if we take all indicators, all leaks and all info we have then the next intel iMac will get redesign. It really is simple. I seriously doubt that when Apple was planning iMac 27" 2 or so years ago redesign they were also betting that at that time ARM will be happening. They had a plan for ARM but for such a thing it probably wasn't concrete (unlike the intel redesign which most likely was concrete plan).
So, for all these reasons I believe that next Intel iMac will get redesign. Its just the most logical for many many reasons.
And given the situation with ARM its also the best case scenario.
You will see soon enough.
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There will be one most likely. Its the most logical approach Apple can take as Askunk nicely said in his post few lines above.
So many posts of zero percent chance of redesign intel mac, give me hope that there will be one.
they are certainly not zero scoring to many leakers...