Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

I don't expect any of the ARM Macs to be released until around when Big Sur is released to the general public at the earliest. So at least about 3 months away.

If retail ARM Macs were imminent I don't think Apple would have released the Mac Mini kit that has to be returned. They would have just given developers early access to whatever the product was before the general public a few weeks later.

This is right. Yep.

Besides, i would not expect any intel hardware around the month were they publish the first ARM Mac. If we actually get the first ARM MacBook Air or iMac around the release of that system i would expect nothing more but that ARM Mac and you know all the tech blogs and YouTube will go crazy about it for a few weeks or even over a month.
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Any hope Apple will release a new refreshed/restyled iMac next week?

I would say about zero. They like their two week intervals between things. I would not expect anything ahead of july 8th, possibly even a week after since WWDC is a week long event.
But obviously no one knows.

 

[iPadified]

I think the redesigned 24” arm iMac will be just a big iPad Pro without touch interface and will use casual a14x chip with no additional performance, so it will be real thin but quite useless. That is my expectation after many failures I saw from Tim’s Apple. Simply they won’t scale the cpu this year. Hope I’m wrong.

I am sure this is not the case. The iMac 24 will have Mac specific chip or the creditability is gone and they know that. A14X will not be a bad chip at all but will fit a fan less Macbook much better. As the A14X is not released yet, it could get 8+4 CPU cores (which already has been rumoured) clocked significantly higher than the chip that goes into iPad. GPU is another matter but the A12X is running 12.9 inch retina screens at 120 Hz without issue.

 

[krell100]

I'd have assumed they would put ARM in the MacBooks first, then mini and iMac. iMP and MP last. Maybe iMac will stay Intel for another 8-12 months before we see any change.

 

[Jamacfer]

I think the redesigned 24” arm iMac will be just a big iPad Pro without touch interface and will use casual a14x chip with no additional performance, so it will be real thin but quite useless. That is my expectation after many failures I saw from Tim’s Apple. Simply they won’t scale the cpu this year. Hope I’m wrong.

“Quite useless big iPad” what does it mean? Lot of users just need a fast, reasonable priced, MacOS computer with a good screen for office work, light photo, movie editing, browsing etc...I am sure the ARM iMac 24” (?) will meet these needs in full, actually much more than that.

 

[Jamacfer]

I'd have assumed they would put ARM in the MacBooks first, then mini and iMac. iMP and MP last. Maybe iMac will stay Intel for another 8-12 months before we see any change.

I think the first ARM Macs will be an iconic 24”iMac and a MacBook.

 

[Moonjumper]

Don't underestimate ARM because it's a big family of CPUs and not only about mobile chips in iPhone.

Good news for future Macs: The fastest supercomputer uses Arm chips

The same processor family that powers phones and likely the next generation of Apple computers is at the heart of the world's fastest machine.

www.cnet.com

That is a good point. Arm server chips might provide better clues for where the Apple Silicon chips are headed than the iOS/iPadOS chips do. Some examples: Amazon Graviton2 has 64 cores at 2.5GHz. The Arm Neoverse N1 platform scales to 128 cores.

Arm already has the performance available, we are just not seeing it in consumer devices so far.

 

[applemanit]

What do you think about the hypothesis of a new hybrid "mac touch" with ARM, iPad Pro design language, Apple Pencil support and a stand that allows the screen to go down? Something like the Microsoft Surface Studio. Why else make a new macOS 11 with redesigned icons, in the form identical to iPad and iOS icons, to interact with them both with mouse pointer and multi touch. I think this could be the inital step to unify all the OS and make a only one OS in the future.

Next ARM redesigned iMac could be this?

 

[Moonjumper]

I think the first ARM Macs will be an iconic 24”iMac and a MacBook.

You could be right, although I think apple really needs to sell the new platform when so many are doubtful.

I think we may get an existing machine updated for a direct performance comparison, such as the 13" MBP, and something new such as a return of the MacBook, but in a new form factor that is far thinner than anything on the market (and to highlight the compromises of a convertible machine). Then we get the new iMac that is something existing, but in a new and improved form factor only possible with Apple Silicon.
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What do you think about the hypothesis of a new hybrid "mac touch" with ARM, iPad Pro design language, Apple Pencil support and a stand that allows the screen to go down? Something like the Microsoft Surface Studio. Why else make a new macOS 11 with redesigned icons, in the form identical to iPad and iOS icons, to interact with them both with mouse pointer and multi touch. I think this could be the inital step to unify all the OS and make a only one OS in the future.

Next ARM redesigned iMac could be this?

There are fundamental differences between the primarily vertical screen macOS and horizontal iPadOS, but the iPad Pro is becoming more capable across both uses. The announcement that iOS and iPad apps are can run on AS Macs was a bit of a surprise, and I see that influencing the Mac line. Controlling an iOS app designed for direct finger control is going to be very frustrating for many apps with a mouse or trackpad, even if they overlay a virtual finger.

My thoughts have changed because of the keynote, and I could see a crossover device that runs macOS when vertical and iPad OS when horizontal, with the opposite OS backgrounded.

 

[FrankySavvy]

27” iMac shipping times now slipping to mid August. Something is coming soon.

 

[Freida]

SURE! Apple announced the transition for a big historical moment and yeah, they will release "quite useless" big iPad. LOL!!!
The first product they will release will be much faster than what Intel has for that product simply because it would be embarrassing to do anything else.

I think the redesigned 24” arm iMac will be just a big iPad Pro without touch interface and will use casual a14x chip with no additional performance, so it will be real thin but quite useless. That is my expectation after many failures I saw from Tim’s Apple. Simply they won’t scale the cpu this year. Hope I’m wrong.

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iPad Pro is august too. We talked about it here, it means nothing in the current situation. We have literally obsessed about the shipping times here for the past 2 months. So yeah, with this pace you will be right eventually but just like broken clock is right 2x a day

Shipping times are not an indicator these days. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if the reason was that after the presentation some people wanted to get more Intel stuff for various reasons. Also, a lot of people could be waiting till WWDC because they thought (like we did) that there would be refresh and because nothing happened they bought the current gen. Too many reasons could play this delay. One thing is clear. Last few months showed that the shipping times are not an indicator

In fact, there was even someone crazy here who told us that he bought a month or so ago and got it just like Apple said.

27” iMac shipping times now slipping to mid August. Something is coming soon.

 

[xgman]

27” iMac shipping times now slipping to mid August. Something is coming soon.

base model is still mid July. might be just slow to covid backup..

 

[fokmik]

Apple clearly will show with the 13" Macbook pro ARM and the 24" imac Arm (from fall 2020) how will perform vs the 13" MBP intel and the 21.5" Intel in the fall....that will show us the main difference and how people will make the decisions
Thats big, to have an Intel based mac on the current 14+++ or hopefuly the 21.5" / 13" mbp will get the 10nm Intel on the same timeline , and will compare them to the bone, at least i will for sure....and Apple knows that and bet on that
Can't wait
And i will be very curios girl how the 24" imac (without ?!? dGPu) will perform on the gpu side with the current 21.5" dGpu Vega 20

 

[DrRadon]

Here in germany shipping estimates are still mid july, adding a day each day. It's pretty much the BTO timeframe wich constantly is telling you that apples warehouse is empty and they have no intention to stock up big time as even the majority of apple stores in germany are sold out.
I would stay away from people that claim this is not pointing to a release 460+ days after the last release. It's border lining trolling.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Based on Ming Chi Kuo predictions, I think we see Intel Redesigned iMac in July (Q3) and an ARM iMac in Q42020 or later.

iMac redesign rumors/murmurings have been predicting an imminent release since March (CoinX, Jon Prosser, Sonny Dickson)....I think COVID-19 caused the delay, including WWDC release. Shipping times are an additional indicator, as well as Tim cook even saying we have “New Intel Macs that we are really excited about” coming soon.

I think the higher end redesigned larger screen 27” iMacs will remain Intel with AMD GPU’s releasing July and the lower end smaller screen 24” iMac with Apple Silicon and Apple integrated graphics will release this October or later.

Sources:

9 to 5 Mac (June 21st, 2020) “Kuo confirms that an all-new design iMac is launching imminently, and it will apparently be Apple’s last new Mac featuring an Intel CPU”, “Kuo says the new Intel iMac is set to be released in Q3 (i.e. July, August, September) and the ARM version will follow around Q1 2021”

The Verge (June 21st, 2020) “Kuo says the last new Intel-based Mac ever will be a brand new iMac design with thinner bezels and a 24-inch display. This iMac is said to be planned for a release in Q3 2020, but an ARM version will follow it in the first quarter of next year.”

Sonny Dickson (June 9th, 2020) “New iMac incoming at WWDC. iPad Pro design language, with Pro Display like bezels. T2 chip, AMD Navi GPU, and no more fusion drive”

Jon Prosser (May 6th, 2020) “Heads up: There’s still an iMac and AirPods ready to ship. (Not sure which AirPods yet, only know codename) Theoretically, since they’re ready, they could drop at any time.“

CoinX (March 4th, 2020) iMac/Mac mini (Coming Soon Arrow)

 

[fokmik]

No redesign imacs for intel
They want their arm based macs to start to look different and fresh
I guess the macbook pro arm will be the 14” and let the old design for intel
That 16” was a year ago and also the first to tell us that butterfly keys are coming to an end
But, intel macs no redesign, arm will come for the 14” mbp and 24” imac for start

 

[Rbfinch570]

Speculation and Quesstimations lol. That's where we are at. I've been rocking Mac before they were cool with the good old G series processors. Seriously debating building my own PC at the moment.

 

[Manfredi]

No redesign imacs for intel
They want their arm based macs to start to look different and fresh
I guess the macbook pro arm will be the 14” and let the old design for intel
That 16” was a year ago and also the first to tell us that butterfly keys are coming to an end
But, intel macs no redesign, arm will come for the 14” mbp and 24” imac for start

i think too... is not so smart to show a "totally new design" for a totally old processor....

they will introduce a new iMac with a new design with a new processor....

OR.... tu push sells till new ARM, they could introduce " a new package " with Intel....

who knows...?

 

[pldelisle]

Or simply no new Intel iMac until the redesigned ARM iMac ...

 

[DrRadon]

Or simply no new Intel iMac until the redesigned ARM iMac ...

thats not going to happen.

 

[Dave245]

I don’t think there will be a new iMac until at least October of this year. Unfortunately 😏

 

[Voyageur]

i relly hope you wrong... i'm execting the new iMac ARM and i won't discover that's just a big ipad ....

But what is bad in your case? If in practice it will justify all your tasks?

 

[Voyageur]

Hello ladies and gentlemen.

If anyone is interested, here is my personal plan:

In the following days, I go to the service center and upgrade the iMac's Fu**on Drive to the SSD and increase the amount of RAM.

These are the consequences of my understanding that the redesign, both external and internal (which is important for me) on Intel most likely will not take place. And I need to somehow endure the next few months on +- responsive machine to see what those Apple Silicon Macs, that represent at the end of the year, will be like in practice. Then draw the final conclusions.

If the AS Macs show a monstrous increase in performance, then we have to think that it is really time to take this new step. I believe that this probability may be due to the fact that Apple will now be forced to show and prove that their processors will be better than anyone else. If in the case of portable solutions MacBook they can show excellent survivability, but in the case of stationary computers they have only one way out: to surprise with performance and capabilities. It should be the Death Star right in front of Alderaan.

BUT. But.
If it becomes clear from the first experience that Apple Silicone Macs are “just cool” and aimed more at homesumers use;

If it turns out that there are no serious analogues of Pro solutions like Xeon and AMD level in the next couple of years;

If it becomes clear that there will be problems with the virtualization of the current full-fledged Windows (lack of either delays or lags),

Then I will have to tighten my belt and make a maneuver in the direction of the current cheese grater with the prospect of an future upgrade (like the ooold times). I understand that after 5 years there will be hints of obsolescence as soon as Macs on ARM begin to show total stability in all areas (work, software selection, games, and maybe even working analogs of virtual machines), but I believe that high end Intel will still be a persistent solution that has proven itself over the years and will be supported until the last. Many have invested a lot of money in 2019, it is unlikely that Apple will leave people of this segment to their own devices.

This is if we're lucky. But it is very likely, unfortunately, the other Mac lines will be left behind even earlier - as the experience of previous transitions shows.

 

[Ballis]

thats not going to happen.

I think its possible. Or IF they refresh it, its limited to 9th gen across the board. Its not gonna sell anyways, so why not just throw in a few new chips in old mobos. Same TDP as well. 10th gen seems like a waste on a machine thats DOA

 

[DrRadon]

I think its possible. Or IF they refresh it, its limited to 9th gen across the board. Its not gonna sell anyways, so why not just throw in a few new chips in old mobos. Same TDP as well. 10th gen seems like a waste on a machine thats DOA

It's not. If it would happen they would have restocked 27 iMac instead of being sold out virtually everywhere.
Apple likes money. They do a very good job of making it, even while selling terribly (by apple standards) outdated machines.
They don't just stop selling the 27 inch iMac for now going on a month and than go to wait another 2, 3, 4, 5 month.

You can hold of on the smaller iMac, thats why it is restocked. I can see that. But on the high end 27 inch iMac, that basicly will rival or even outperform the iMac pro (especially if there is a redesign for the cooling), they will not just wait for Arm, they will not just have that level of performance and reliability in their first line of machines that comes in 2, 3, 4, 5 month to kick all of this of.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Let’s be honest, most people, except tech enthusiasts and journalists have no idea Mac is transitioning to ARM. So an exciting new design with Intel based CPU’s are not going to deter most people.