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Yes your own eyes are everything just for yourself and that is OK but please do not think that your little experience has absolute value and applies to everyone. As of CNN etc...but please, if you are looking for something in particular on the internet you can find everything even that donkeys fly. This does not mean that they are only fake news with statistical no value. Anyway of course if you sit on an iPad it will probably bend at that point better build it of stainless steel, it will weigh 10 kg but it can be useful as a bulletproof vest.
It's called trying things for yourself.
My experience is pretty 'big' for me. Thank you. Why would I think it applies to everyone? It applied to me. I was there when it applied to me. No sale, Bendy Apple. But I would say, that people who brought it up have probably got concerns. I'd take them at face value to investigate it for myself. Which I did. And found those concerns valid.
As I said, 'empirical' for me. Absolute. Ly.
Other perceptional instances can consult the ether for their wallet guidance.
I'll be targeting the 2017 iPad 12.9 that didn't bend. I tried.
Maybe Apple should do a sit down test.
Their track record and obsession with 'thin' has caught them out a few times...one of which was 'bendiness.' The example of the iPhone 'bendy' edition suggesting we've been here before with Apple.
As was their giant mis-step on the clacky RSI noise fest of the Apple keyboard.
Azrael.
I'm sorry to be mean to you but I have zero patience with comments like these.
The new iPad is more fragile and less structurally rigid than the previous generation. That is not an assumption but a fact.
You take 2017 model and 2020 model and you apply some force. 2017 will not flex as much as 2020. That is not fake news, thats reality! Its like with iPhone 6. It wasn't strong enough and it needed to be addressed. Just because yours wasn't bend doesn't mean it was the same for everyone. And here is personal experience. I had iPhone 6 for almost 6 years and it is still straight but I NEVER came here to tell people that they are wrong, fake news etc. because I knew (and saw) bend phones from people that used them normally. If something is weak it might bend under "normal usage". We are not talking about sitting on stuff, we are talking about day to day things. ie. you are on a tube, have your iPad in a back and someone leans slightly bit more on it (thing Piccadilly line in rush hour) and you get bend. That is something you just don't expect. iPad 2017 was/is more rigid and can withstand lot more than the bendy 2020 model.
So please, yours might be fine but don't label others with fake news etc. Its not fake.
And if you don't believe it, go and compare it yourself. Until then, please don't disregard this FACT! It simply IS more fragile.
Now, rant over and I am truly sorry that you had to listen to it but I am impatient with this.
I was sympathetic to those with iPhone 6 and the issue when mine was/is perfect. Please do the same and accept it that the new model is not designed well. Form over function.
Simple as that!
The new iPad is more fragile and less structurally rigid than the previous generation. That is not an assumption but a fact.
You take 2017 model and 2020 model and you apply some force. 2017 will not flex as much as 2020. That is not fake news, thats reality! Its like with iPhone 6. It wasn't strong enough and it needed to be addressed. Just because yours wasn't bend doesn't mean it was the same for everyone. And here is personal experience. I had iPhone 6 for almost 6 years and it is still straight but I NEVER came here to tell people that they are wrong, fake news etc. because I knew (and saw) bend phones from people that used them normally. If something is weak it might bend under "normal usage". We are not talking about sitting on stuff, we are talking about day to day things. ie. you are on a tube, have your iPad in a back and someone leans slightly bit more on it (thing Piccadilly line in rush hour) and you get bend. That is something you just don't expect. iPad 2017 was/is more rigid and can withstand lot more than the bendy 2020 model.
So please, yours might be fine but don't label others with fake news etc. Its not fake.
And if you don't believe it, go and compare it yourself. Until then, please don't disregard this FACT! It simply IS more fragile.
Now, rant over and I am truly sorry that you had to listen to it but I am impatient with this.
I was sympathetic to those with iPhone 6 and the issue when mine was/is perfect. Please do the same and accept it that the new model is not designed well. Form over function.
Simple as that!
Hello Freida,
'Freida will like that.' Thought I.
I was wondering if you enjoyed the Mac ARM preview of Maya.
I remember when the 'Maya' guy introduced the 'Mac' version of Maya back when it was quite a landmark for it to arrive on the Mac. In fact, I think Apple hired the Maya person to Apple not that long after. (What was his name, Nick Kerr or something?)
A few things were noticed at the time. ie. That the 'Mac' version (not for the 1st time...) was not optimised and it didn't run as fast as the Windows version. (Probably getting the 2nd class Open GL experience amongst other issues like code optimisation for a 1st time port.) It probably got 'better' since it's Mac introduction.
It's running on Mac ARM wayyyyy faster than that 1st time Mac port.
With all due respect to people with Xeons and Quadros. It's about software optimisation with hardware. Non-optimised software can kill hardware. Intel's single core performance is nothing special. They've sat on their lead for half a decade. Whereas single core performance for Apple's A cpu has been very strong with each iteration. Expecially vs the mobile competition. I wouldn't bet against Apple AS cpu tonkin' a Xeon in single threaded performance.
Apple have been making 'process' progress. And Intel hasn't. Ofc. Apple subcontract that out to TMSC. 5nm. AS 14 8 +4 lower power core cpu? In eg. An iMac 24 inch? I think a native port of Maya runs like gangbusters on that. It's a what? 3 day port according to Craig. Can be up and running natively. Let alone in emulation where it seemed eye poppingly good.
So, the former world of 2nd class, late ports. With bad code optimisation...and paying the same £price for Windows based gpus that perform half as good on Mac because of out of date Open GL drives and the inherent weakness of it as 'middleware' (how do you gain any advantage of Open GL on Mac when Windows/Apps/Nv and AMD all pile in far more resources into the GL drives than the Mac version? IT was a no win deal for Mac creatives.) so you're £1000 gpu performs like a £500. That's just not good enough for Mac customers.
So that's what the deprecated GL is about. The past. Metal is the future. And between Maya and Lara Croft (even under emulation...) they showed that an A12z is quite remarkable. The AS 14 will be mouth wateringly good.
And, yes. That Mini A12z was running a 32 inch XDR. :OOO
I think there is every chance the AS ARM for Mac will be twice as fast as the Intel cpu. It's humiliation or nothing.
I'd def' expect gains of 50-100%. On some things. Perhaps it will be greater depending on the task.
And I woudn't underestimate an apple GPU against anyone. 1000x greater in ten years on iPad gpu. That's a world class silicon team. No doubt.
3x4k streams on Final Cut? The vega 48 on a £3560 iMac only just allows 4k playback smoothly? And here we have an iPad chip embarrassing it.
As for passing on price savings. I hope Apple take the opportunity to put the boot into Windows marketshare. This is their chance.
If they 'merely' went back to their old price points eg.
Mini ARM = £499 and £750.
iMac ARM 24. = £999 and £1250.
iMac ARM 27 = £1450 and £1750.
iMac ARM Pro = £1950 and £2250.
Mac ARM Pro = £2500 and £2750.
Standard price points minus BTO. They can charge much less and still make the same profit. Sure, there is R&D but it will be amortised over the life time of the product. They don't have to pay Intel so that is £3billion to pay for the R&D. So they can still make a profit and pass on savings to the customer.
But Apple's pricing behaviour of late is likely being the 'seeded' rumour of R&D up front costs of silicon blah blah etc.
Listen, the iPhone and iPad pay for the cost of Apple silicon. Putting that R&D on Mac prices in isolation to justify higher or even current high prices is in line with the current 'stand' and 'wheels' thinking...and iPhone £1k thinking and iPad £1500 thinking. (ie world's away from Steve Job's iPad at £399 thinking.)
If Macs held at current price Apple could say...'We're giving you twice the speed at the same price.' That would be more like their bag. Holding prices and adding 'value.'
But this is a real chance to break the 5 million Macs sold per quarter glass ceiling. With Mac ARM. I can see Apple selling 10 million Macs per quarter.
If they cut prices to 'affordable' levels which they, currently, are not.
Azrael.
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Well, an heir apparent is being groomed...
Azrael.
Great post, Az. Lots of good stuff in there. Obviously the missing new iMac announcement at WWDC didn't cause you lasting damage.
Hopefully, some of your Steve Jobs-like thinking will work its way to Bottom Line Tim.Five million Macs at over $£2000 (for the typical current iMac configuration), or ten million at $£1500-1800. Unless my calculator is broken, I think Apple would stand to make a lot of money by LOWERING the prices while concurrently adding a TON of value (speed, etc.) to the new systems. The Apple suppliers would have to be working overtime on components other than those that just go into iPhones. Sounds like it would help the global economy recover, huh?
Let us hope that common sense rules in Cupertino. My wallet is already open!
It's called trying things for yourself.
My experience is pretty 'big' for me. Thank you. Why would I think it applies to everyone? It applied to me. I was there when it applied to me. No sale, Bendy Apple. But I would say, that people who brought it up have probably got concerns. I'd take them at face value to investigate it for myself. Which I did. And found those concerns valid.
As I said, 'empirical' for me. Absolute. Ly.
Other perceptional instances can consult the ether for their wallet guidance.
I'll be targeting the 2017 iPad 12.9 that didn't bend. I tried.
Maybe Apple should do a sit down test.
Their track record and obsession with 'thin' has caught them out a few times...one of which was 'bendiness.' The example of the iPhone 'bendy' edition suggesting we've been here before with Apple.
As was their giant mis-step on the clacky RSI noise fest of the Apple keyboard.
Azrael.
That's exactly what I meant: your little experience is only valid for yourself so please don't write that "the iPad 12.9 folds" or "bendy iPad" because this is called fake news. In fact my experience says exactly the opposite and is worth exactly the same as yours.
I got the "bendy" 12.9 and it is as straight as they get.
And this is my daily driver to be precise. In my backpack whenever I go. I got it paired with the Logitech keyboard.
Absolutely love it and for big part (including testing code in playgrounds and drawing/writing a **** ton using affinity designer / goodnotes) gets the most use of all my devices.
I'm not saying issues don't exist but it is a 12.9" screen after all and If you do not apply some common sense to the way you use it then obviously things will go south.
And this is my daily driver to be precise. In my backpack whenever I go. I got it paired with the Logitech keyboard.
Absolutely love it and for big part (including testing code in playgrounds and drawing/writing a **** ton using affinity designer / goodnotes) gets the most use of all my devices.
I'm not saying issues don't exist but it is a 12.9" screen after all and If you do not apply some common sense to the way you use it then obviously things will go south.
Great post, Az. Lots of good stuff in there. Obviously the missing new iMac announcement at WWDC didn't cause you lasting damage.
Five million Macs at over $£2000 (for the typical current iMac configuration), or ten million at $£1500-1800. Unless my calculator is broken, I think Apple would stand to make a lot of money by LOWERING the prices while concurrently adding a TON of value (speed, etc.) to the new systems. The Apple suppliers would have to be working overtime on components other than those that just go into iPhones. Sounds like it would help the global economy recover, huh?
Let us hope that common sense rules in Cupertino. My wallet is already open!
Bottom Line Tim.
Heh. Enjoyed that one.
You make an excellent pint, ksodell, about lowering prices 'a little' to get that Mac ARM marketshare established quick.
I agree, by lowering prices to 'affordable' levels Apple could push beyond it's 5 million a quarter glass ceiling and push on for marketshare growth and drive home the Mac ARM advantage. Macs priced for 'the rest of us.'
As for lasting damage... *rocks in his seat...backwards...and forwards...*
Azrael.
My experience is bigger than yours. You got a bendy one?
It can't be 'fake' news if it bends. Which it does.
Azrael.
So basically, if I were to summarize what to expect for the iMac is...
Possible refresh only either in July, August, September OR
Possible Intel redesign refresh in July, August, September OR
Possible iMac ARM in October?
I'm so confused as to what's coming lol. I posted months ago about buying a Macbook Pro and I waited for the new 14" but that didn't happen. Not really sold on the Macbook Pro. Still saving my $ for the best computer for my future needs. I will be teaching Adobe (Photoshop, Premiere, etc.) in the Fall and don't want to waste my money. Any hopes we will get a redesign in July?
Possible refresh only either in July, August, September OR
Possible Intel redesign refresh in July, August, September OR
Possible iMac ARM in October?
I'm so confused as to what's coming lol. I posted months ago about buying a Macbook Pro and I waited for the new 14" but that didn't happen. Not really sold on the Macbook Pro. Still saving my $ for the best computer for my future needs. I will be teaching Adobe (Photoshop, Premiere, etc.) in the Fall and don't want to waste my money. Any hopes we will get a redesign in July?
My experience is bigger than yours. You got a bendy one?
Azrael.
Ah, OK, if it is “bigger” never mind, there's no point in discussing it any further. I think the other users have already made up their minds...
PS “bendy iPad” is a fake news.
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Yeah, that sounds like a most likely scenario. Although I feel that the ARM might be little earlier. (October)
I think they just can't release it before the iPhone as they would reveal the power
I think they just can't release it before the iPhone as they would reveal the power
Answer: Yes to those dates... unless things change. *sigh* That's life in iMac-land. I've been waiting for that redesign since... I can't remember - It's been that long!
Like many people have said earlier in this thread: Do what you have to do NOW. Whatever you buy will be good for years to come, and won't be a waste of money. Plus, there will ALWAYS be a 'latest, greatest' right around the corner.
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I resemble that remark.
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Honestly it doesn't sound promising that 2020 iMac will be anything but a spec-bump on CPU & GPU. No redesign, no T2 chip, no Face ID. All of those things will only be for Apple Silicon Macs.
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I'm leaning towards getting a spec-ed out 9th gen iMac if this September Apple decides they're completely done with iterating Intel-based Macs. Of course that's if they're even going to manufacture any more of them.
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I'm leaning towards getting a spec-ed out 9th gen iMac if this September Apple decides they're completely done with iterating Intel-based Macs. Of course that's if they're even going to manufacture any more of them.
Okay. Prediction time.
New iMac hits either on the 8th of july or on the 22ed of july.
Got to be right at some point. xD
New iMac hits either on the 8th of july or on the 22ed of july.
Got to be right at some point. xD
I'm ready to dump $4000 on an new iMac, but I want to feel GOOD about it. It's a 7 year purchase.
I am also sorry to be mean but who are you to affirm that they are “facts”. Maybe it is just “your opinion”. My “opinion” is just the opposite so my “opinion” is that they are “fake news” (and I have zero patience with them).
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Yeah I'm already coming to terms that there will be no more than a CPU/GPU spec-bump for Intel-Macs. It means 7 more years of having to enter in password on the login-screen.
Wow. More $ than I had set aside. I'm envious!
I think I need to go back to my wife and beg for more money to spend on it! "Honestly, honey! It really IS a good investment!!!"
Wow. More $ than I had set aside. I'm envious!
I think I need to go back to my wife and beg for more money to spend on it! "Honestly, honey! It really IS a good investment!!!"
I'm a developer so it makes sense for me to have a high-spec PC. Otherwise, I'd get a $2K iMac.
The actual iMac I was targeting was also 4000$ CAD. And I think there was no RAM upgrade with it. Not gonna buy any Apple RAM.
Need a speedy machine too. But my Late-2013 is still fast enough surprisingly. So will keep it as long as it doesn’t explode.
Need a speedy machine too. But my Late-2013 is still fast enough surprisingly. So will keep it as long as it doesn’t explode.
Take 2017 model, take 2020 model and try to apply force (not to bend them irreversibly but just a little) see the FACTUAL difference in structural rigidity. This is not a debate, this is a fact which you can test yourself. Once you test it then you can come back and say that you know what the fact was
Take 2017 model, take 2020 model and try to apply force (not to bend them irreversibly but just a little) see the FACTUAL difference in structural rigidity. This is not a debate, this is a fact which you can test yourself. Once you test it then you can come back and say that you know what the fact was
These pseudo experiments typical of fake news have no scientific or statistical value. 😉