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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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This doesn't change the fact that WWDC is a software event. Apple regularly holds hardware events throughout the year.
Thinking the same, really need a 27" iMac this year but I know that the Apple Silicon version of the iMac will not be high end right off the bat. But gen 2 or gen 3 will be AMAZING!!
Can we please just stop with these? WWDC is developer conference but Apple often used it for new hardware. Pretty much almost every year there was something. Not always but often. So can we please not repeat this till death?
Apple uses events to maximise exposure and free press. Its also about timing so it has nothing to do with whether or not something is developer or not.
Thats interesting. Canada still shows 15th July the earliest.
On the other hand I've stopped paying attention to those as if you go and pick 12.9" iPad Pro the earliest you can get it is 27th July so this kinda means nothing. COVID messed these indicators up.
If Apple is going for RDNA1 then we will see it in a week or two. If Apple wants RDNA2 then we are looking at september event (unless Apple can get it in august)
Apple uses events to maximise exposure and free press. Its also about timing so it has nothing to do with whether or not something is developer or not.
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Thats interesting. Canada still shows 15th July the earliest.
On the other hand I've stopped paying attention to those as if you go and pick 12.9" iPad Pro the earliest you can get it is 27th July so this kinda means nothing. COVID messed these indicators up.
If Apple is going for RDNA1 then we will see it in a week or two. If Apple wants RDNA2 then we are looking at september event (unless Apple can get it in august)
What your marked is stock they have in a Apple Store. We are only talking about the line above.
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Finished The last of us part 2 just now. It's a very good game, if you want something to pass the time.
Also i am finding out that lots of people absolutely hate it. xD
The single new Mac model discovered in that registry a couple weeks ago turned out to be the Arm DTK mini (A2330).
Tim Cook said in the video that the transition will be over in two years, meaning the entire product lineup will be transformed. Jobs also said in June 2005 "We're making awesome machines right now. We've got a lot of great PPC products in the pipeline". They updated every Mac model in just 4 months before the transition, two iBooks in July 2005, two Mac Minis in Sep 2005 and two PowerBooks, two iMacs and three Power Macs in Oct 2005. Nothing after the first Intel Macs in Jan 2006 (iMac and MacBook Pro).
I think they will do a similar thing, update the entire product line just once more before the transition is over in two years, maybe this year and next, nothing after 2021.
1) Tim said full transition to take place in 2 years.
2) PowerPC to Intel transition took only 14 months
3) Apple is a much, MUCH larger company than they were before in 2005 with far greater resources than ever before.
If adoption rate is small this process might take even more.
At this point its all speculation but intel support I'm betting 4-5 AFTER first arm machine goes on public.
makes tons of sense and tells us that they never actually canceled the release of new iMacs last minute.
The XDR display really is bloody gorgeous, I wish they did a lower specced version with a non insane price.
Also, Kuo predicted that Apple would complete the transition to ARM in12-18 months.
First Arm-Based Macs to Be 13-Inch MacBook Pro and Redesigned iMac, Launches Coming in Late 2020 or Early 2021
Apple plans to introduce its Arm-based custom designed chips for Macs at WWDC, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors today, agreeing...
www.macrumors.com
Kuo could be wrong but Apple will undoubtedly have a fair amount of contingency in the 2 year timeframe. They won't want to miss their very public deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if the transition was complete in under two years.
Hopefully Kuo isn't wrong about that 24" ARM iMac being released in Q4.
Also, Kuo predicted that Apple would complete the transition to ARM in12-18 months.
First Arm-Based Macs to Be 13-Inch MacBook Pro and Redesigned iMac, Launches Coming in Late 2020 or Early 2021
Apple plans to introduce its Arm-based custom designed chips for Macs at WWDC, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors today, agreeing...
Kuo could be wrong but Apple will undoubtedly have a fair amount of contingency in the 2 year timeframe. They won't want to miss their very public deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if the transition was complete in under two years.
Hopefully Kuo isn't wrong about that 24" ARM iMac being released in Q4.
me too!!!
as well as i hope that 24inch iMac will be power enough to compete with an i7 10th gen desktop.... otherwise could seem "just a larger iPhone 12 Pro"....
A dedicated chip is a consequence of the current supply line, something Apple will be free of when they design their own chips. Two chips or one makes no different to the code operations, except one chip has no interface bottleneck. The only other difference is heat generated in two places instead of one, and that is something Apple will have an advantage on. 5nm chips generate a lot less heat than 14nm, and Arm also appears to be more efficient anyway, especially Apple's implementation.
I don't think SoC affects the performance goals.
What advantage would an ARM iMac have over an Intel iMac?
Little interest in me for a 24" iMac...I've gotten very used to the 27" screen size and its doubtful I'll want to downgrade to a lower size.
I can probably get by with another year of limping along with the mac i have, the bugginess it has is more of a nuisance than anything.
If you look at my post a few pages ago, you will see that we are perfectly aligned in thoughts about this. I do not think they will start working on price but on performance and especially performance per watt which there was heavily emphasised on in the keynote.People keep saying that ARM will not be cheaper. I think people are missing few things here.
Apple will provide their complete silicon -> that is CPU and GPU in one. Now, lets take 27" iMac as example that ships with 570X minimum GPU and goes to 580X GPU before BTO options. I don't know how much these are sold for to Apple but that is savings there. Then, Intel CPU will not be purchased also so savings there.
Now, are you telling me, that paying 2 external vendors is cheaper than what Apple is building inhouse and its actually one chip instead of 2?
I think people are completely missing the point here and don't realise how big this ARM is. Apple will kill every competition in terms of performance and if Apple decides to pass the savings on customer then even the price.
Look at smartphone market - no one can match Apple's performance. Now, Apple will dominate that computers the same way as they dominate the performance in smartphones.
Intel is pretty much done longterm unless they come up with something that would be able to compete.
Think of a scenario where in few years Apple's solution will be 2+ time faster than anything Intel produces. More people and businesses will switch to Apple as there is no way people (or anyone) would say no to that kind of performance. Just like they are dominating with iPhone they will dominate (eventually) with computers.
If Maya runs crazy fast on Apple's solution then why in the hell would my work still keep the crappy xeon's and quadro's?
Am I the only one that sees this? @Azrael9 I'm sure you are with me too, right?
This is the beginning of the x86 end. Intel is pretty much dead and AMD we shall see if they innovate and keep up with Apple (unlikely).
Sooner or later, everyone will switch to ARM.
Intel has been doing chips for what? Half a century? Now Apple comes in and in 10 years achieve amazing results. Imagine Apple in another 10 years.
I wish that 27 (or 32) iMac was first but I also know that 1st gen will be 'weak' compared to the beast that we will get in 2nd or 3rd generation!
So yeah, I will probably get the last intel iMac and then in 2-3 years (before Apple Care runs out) sell it and upgrade to what hopefully will be a monster! The future looks bright guys and I cannot wait to be part of this.
WWDC was fusion crap but this ARM looks so good! I wish I wasn't so impatient though.
I think they will loose real creditability if they only present the community with a normal iPad chip (A14X) in a laptop. I think they will need to embarrass Intel to make a point and get people to understand that this is a competitive platform that can scale to MP in two years time. I believe they make the iMac 24 inch competitive with Intels 10900 (65W) although at much lower power draw and slimmer package and compare the performance with the corresponding iMac on stage. If they ditch AMD GPUcompletely for AS, they probably need do the same exercise on the GPU front.
Will be nice to be a Mac user and have the cutting edge technology inside instead of handed down technology from PC.
AS is 100% according to SJ roadmap.
That right there is the key point in all of this.
I agree, not high end this year but certainly not something that would better fit a Macbook or a iPad either which is in the A12Z territory. Something like a 30-50W SoC exceeding the performance of the maxed out MBP16 (CPU/GPU) would be the minimum to make a point (and would fit the minimum required performance for a iMac 24 inch). They can also go for something more ambitious and compete with midrange (65W) comet lake chips.
It is so much they need to demonstrate with AS that has not been demonstrated before with the iPad SoCs. They are not here to beat Intel but to communicate to the customers and share holders that they have taken the correct decision to switch to AS for the Mac line.
in italy the base 27inch is not available in in no one apple store.... other two are instead fully available in most of the stores
Availability of current models seems to be region dependent, normal supply and demand I'd suggest.
The 27 inch units are still available locally through Apple and 3rd party retailers in NYC. The online ordering has a significant lead time.
If an update is released soon, I need to make a decision soon. Intel OR Apple silicon...
Safe but near EOL or new, interesting but insecure which apps that runs...
Questions: My critical apps are Fusion 360, "R", Rstudio, Mendeley and Modo/Blender. Will Rosetta2 support these without issues? I assume Modo/Blender will be difficult as neither uses metal at the moment as far as I understand.
All other software I use seem to be ported.
Safe but near EOL or new, interesting but insecure which apps that runs...
Questions: My critical apps are Fusion 360, "R", Rstudio, Mendeley and Modo/Blender. Will Rosetta2 support these without issues? I assume Modo/Blender will be difficult as neither uses metal at the moment as far as I understand.
All other software I use seem to be ported.