One thing people don't take into account is the fact that the new tech might actually be more expensive.
Who said the new MBP or iMac will be cheaper?
China Times reported that a lower priced iMac was coming 2H20. Its unclear if this is the 24" ARM Kuo predicts, but perhaps that is the likelihood. If I recall correctly ARM is predicted give Apple significant cost savings that would give Apple the option of passing savings on to the consumer. Apple have shown with the iPad and iPhone SE that they willing to release lower priced devices, so I think it's plausible that a 24" ARM iMac will be reasonably priced. I'm not so sure that Apple will pass savings on whenever they release the 27" ARM, but they just might.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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you're right, this is not a violent use.... but i'm talking of 5Gb of photos edited at the same time.... PLUS other actions...
i need a computer that perfectly works with multitasking GOOD at all at the same time and my biggest question is related to photo editing of heavy DNG photos
Here is the think,
they had A12Z mac mini that was driving XDR display like nothing.
So I had a thought yesterday that if they release mac mini with A14X++ then I might just get cheap mini and the savings I put and buy the XDR. Sure, it will cost me a bit more than 27" iMac but maybe it might be worth it.
I prefer big screen and if 27" iMac is still getting intel then unless its a good deal (specs wise) etc. then mini + XDR might actually work too.
Of course it might be crazy thinking but if A12Z can drive it fine (even Maya) then anything they will actually release will be huge leap better. And MAYBE XDR might even drop in price a little
Ha, crazy talk I know but still
they had A12Z mac mini that was driving XDR display like nothing.
So I had a thought yesterday that if they release mac mini with A14X++ then I might just get cheap mini and the savings I put and buy the XDR. Sure, it will cost me a bit more than 27" iMac but maybe it might be worth it.
I prefer big screen and if 27" iMac is still getting intel then unless its a good deal (specs wise) etc. then mini + XDR might actually work too.
Of course it might be crazy thinking but if A12Z can drive it fine (even Maya) then anything they will actually release will be huge leap better. And MAYBE XDR might even drop in price a little
Ha, crazy talk I know but still
Dev kit running iPad chip is $500 and you have to return it.
I mean I would love them to be cheaper as my final plan is to sell the 2019 iMac, go 38" ultrawide and ride it out with a 16" MBP and then grab the new mini at some point when they will offer acceptable performance and stability.
One thing people don't take into account is the fact that the new tech might actually be more expensive.
Who said the new MBP or iMac will be cheaper?
China Times reported that a lower priced iMac was coming 2H20. Its unclear if this is the 24 ARM Kuo predicts, but
Lower-Priced 23-Inch iMac and 11-Inch iPad Models Rumored to Launch in Second Half of 2020
Apple plans to introduce a 23-inch iMac in the second half of 2020, with mass production set to begin in the third or fourth quarter, according to a...
www.macrumors.com
Well, there's a huge possibility of a cheaper machine question is how it will actually perform.
This may be of interest to you then
Context: This was in 00:06:25 of the State of the Union and the activity shows the various diff highlights they did on regular apps + pro apps like Logic, FCPX, PS and LR.
While they were short bursts and probably should be taken with a grain of salt, we're not seeing more than 50% CPU load, that's quite good given that my 2018 MBP 13 goes crazy when I have a few tabs open on chrome while playing video -_-
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Original DTK was a $999 loaner as well
I know it's wishful thinking and it breaks common trends but I'm really hoping that the Apple Silicon can break business traditions as well as the computing conceptions.Here is the think,
they had A12Z mac mini that was driving XDR display like nothing.
So I had a thought yesterday that if they release mac mini with A14X++ then I might just get cheap mini and the savings I put and buy the XDR. Sure, it will cost me a bit more than 27" iMac but maybe it might be worth it.
I prefer big screen (Azrael insert: 'Me too.') and if 27" iMac is still getting intel then unless its a good deal (specs wise) etc. then mini + XDR might actually work too.
Of course it might be crazy thinking but if A12Z can drive it fine (even Maya) then anything they will actually release will be huge leap better. And MAYBE XDR might even drop in price a little
Ha, crazy talk I know but still
Now...that's something to think about.
That XDR is a xexy beast. Lust worthy.
An AS14X++ Mac Mini's gpu performance 'may' be a game changer.
Azrael.
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The Mac Mini A12z.
Can anyone apply to buy it?
How long can you keep it for?
Curiously.
Azrael.
The 24 inch iMac (ARM) is 'allegedly' going to be cheaper.
It's £1250 currently for the entry iMac. (I won't count the £1050 piece of junk...)
Will they take off 250 to make it a mouth watering £999?
If we take the £1050 price.
They only have to shave 51£ off to hit £999 with Mac ARM.
With AS14X++ chip and iGPU (graphics worthy of the name.)
At that?
I'd be in. Both feet.
Azrael.
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There seems to be plenty of 21 inch iMac stock. It's history.
Refresh the 27.
A bit like the current Macbooks. The 16 inch got the design refresh.
The 27 inch has to last a year until 27 inch Mac ARM (next march? To june/july.)
The 21 inch? Sell out inventory until the 24 inch Mac ARM which begins the consumer transition.
Azrael.
That turned out to be the DTK Mac mini AFAIK
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checked yesterday, basically you need to have a dev account + tell them what App you're looking to port and why it's crucial for you to have the DTK
Will they pass the savings on? Ie. Some for them, some for us?
We'll see.
Azrael.
I think Apple would be keen to show increased sales after transition to ARM, as opposed to having to report that sales dropped compared to intel devices. That wouldnt look good at all so Im hoping that nudges Apple to pass at least some savings on, which is better than nothing.
We'll see.
Azrael.
I think Apple would be keen to show increased sales after transition to ARM, as opposed to having to report that sales dropped compared to intel devices. That wouldnt look good at all so Im hoping that nudges Apple to pass at least some savings on, which is better than nothing.
It's for developers only.
I'm not applying as I have no heavy apps that would require physical machine to test so I wouldn't know when will be the return date.
I'm guessing people will be offered discounts once consumer products ship and that's when you'll have to return it.
Why Apple’s move from Intel to ARM means we should stop buying Macs
Apple's move from Intel x86 to ARM chips will probably allow Intel-based Macs about five years of support before they are abandoned. Sounds like a good reason not to buy a Mac.
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I don't see Apple using a third-party GPU with the ARM architecture Macs. The A12Z has 8 GPU cores and looked like it could handle "intensive" graphics work well enough in the demo and Apple can always add more. We could conceivably see separate "A-GPUs" with extreme core counts and very high (for ARM architecture) TDPs for things like the Mac Pro and 16" MacBook Pro if that is required to provide the necessary performance, but I expect the SoC package GPU cores will be sufficient for most duties.
As others have noted, they have done this before. The Intel Macs will have a massively larger base of software than the ARM architecture Macs for years so they will still have a strong market for the near term (next few years).
Kuo's rumors track to a Late 2020 launch for the 24-inch iMac and that is when Apple said they intend to launch their first consumer ARM architecture Mac.
1+1=2.
That being said, I could see a 14.1-inch MacBook Pro also launched on the ARM architecture in the same timeframe. That way Apple has a consumer desktop and a consumer laptop on the ARM architecture for the holiday buying season.
I believe they will.
Two different products for two different markets. That totally aligns to "Tim's Apple".
Why Apple’s move from Intel to ARM means we should stop buying Macs
Apple's move from Intel x86 to ARM chips will probably allow Intel-based Macs about five years of support before they are abandoned. Sounds like a good reason not to buy a Mac.
A Windows-centric magazine recommending people not buy a machine that does not natively run Windows? What a twist!
Can't wait for The Macalope to skewer this bozo's article.
What is everyone's prediction on when the Intel 27" model is going to be refreshed? I was holding out until WWDC but if the rumors of the ARM version being 24" are true then I would rather just jump on the 5k 27" at this point. Do you think the delayed shipping times are mostly due to the pandemic or are we expecting a refresh in the next week or two?
Why Apple’s move from Intel to ARM means we should stop buying Macs
Apple's move from Intel x86 to ARM chips will probably allow Intel-based Macs about five years of support before they are abandoned. Sounds like a good reason not to buy a Mac.
Ugh the argument of let's keep the status quo for 'legacy support'.
If we followed that line of thought we'd all be using NetScape and Chromium should never have happened be cause "You'll be abandoned" -_-
Not saying Chromium is good either.. just we'd never see progress
I'd buy a refurbished only. At least with the Vega 48 so you won't buy a two years old GPU tech.
I think a refresh is imminent. Simple personal feeling.
Some elaboration on my previous post:
Just a thought about what is going on with the redesigned iMac.
Remember when there was a rumor of redesigned 23” lower end iMac going around, I think that’s the 24” ARM iMac Kuo is claiming to come in Q4 2020.
The Sonny Dickson leaked iMac that was supposed to be released at WWDC and was obviously scrapped, was rumored to have an all new design with AMD NAVI GPU’s. That means it would have to be running INTEL chips! Kuo says new Intel iMac’s coming in Q3 2020.
I think the Sonny Dickson rumored iMac is the 27” and is coming real soon. A few reasons why:
1. The shipping dates on the 27” are slipping faster then the 21.5” - out to mid July.
2. Only one new Mac model was registered in the Eurasian database.
3. AMD Navi GPU’s would be a better fit for the higher end 27”
4. Tim Cook said during yesterdays keynote video “In fact we have some NEW Intel Macs in the pipeline that we are REALLY EXCITED about!”
So my theory for the iMac is:
Redesigned Intel 27” iMac in the July/August timeframe.
Redesigned ARM 23” “lower end” iMac in the October, November timeframe.
This aligns with Kuo rumors of new Q3 Intel iMac , Q4 ARM iMac. Sonny Dickson claiming redesigned iMac with AMD NAVI GPU and all the other leakers claiming a new iMac launch is imminent.
Just a thought about what is going on with the redesigned iMac.
Remember when there was a rumor of redesigned 23” lower end iMac going around, I think that’s the 24” ARM iMac Kuo is claiming to come in Q4 2020.
The Sonny Dickson leaked iMac that was supposed to be released at WWDC and was obviously scrapped, was rumored to have an all new design with AMD NAVI GPU’s. That means it would have to be running INTEL chips! Kuo says new Intel iMac’s coming in Q3 2020.
I think the Sonny Dickson rumored iMac is the 27” and is coming real soon. A few reasons why:
1. The shipping dates on the 27” are slipping faster then the 21.5” - out to mid July.
2. Only one new Mac model was registered in the Eurasian database.
3. AMD Navi GPU’s would be a better fit for the higher end 27”
4. Tim Cook said during yesterdays keynote video “In fact we have some NEW Intel Macs in the pipeline that we are REALLY EXCITED about!”
So my theory for the iMac is:
Redesigned Intel 27” iMac in the July/August timeframe.
Redesigned ARM 23” “lower end” iMac in the October, November timeframe.
This aligns with Kuo rumors of new Q3 Intel iMac , Q4 ARM iMac. Sonny Dickson claiming redesigned iMac with AMD NAVI GPU and all the other leakers claiming a new iMac launch is imminent.
I expect it will be within weeks, if not sooner.
Correct. Was thinking they would squeeze one more refresh out of the old 27" form factor. Possibly with 10th gen intel and/or a new AMD card. Would rather pick that up if its happening soon since it sounds like the 24" will be the only size getting the thinner bezels. I don't mind the Intel chip since I want to see how the ARM chips mature and I really need the larger 27" screen vs the 24".
A Windows-centric magazine recommending people not buy a machine that does not natively run Windows? What a twist!
Can't wait for The Macalope to skewer this bozo's article.
I think you misunderstood him and now when I read the headline again I understand why. Maybe you didn't read the whole article but he doesn't mention once anything about ARM Macs not being able to run Windows, as a reason for not buying Macs. I interpreted from the beginning he meant Intel Macs but I understand that one can believe he means all Macs. If you read the last line he writes "That’s the fate your shiny new Mac will eventually face if you buy it today". Under the headline he writes "We give Intel-based Macs about five years of life support from Apple, tops".
He basically means what I've written before: According to Wikipedia Apple announced transition to Intel in 2005 and released Mac OS X v10.6 "Snow Leopard" on August 28, 2009 as Intel-only, removing support for the PowerPC architecture. It is also the last Mac OS X version that supports PowerPC-based applications,[4] as Mac OS X v10.7 "Lion" dropped support for Rosetta on July 20, 2011."
It means that Apple stops making Intel Macs in 2022, macOS stops support Intel in 2024 and Rosetta in 2026. Probably it all will happen faster this time.
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