Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

ok, you can make it scientific. Put them on a support on each side, and start putting weight on it in the middle. See which one bends sooner. start with 500g and go higher. Its very simple.
Again, once you see it then you can talk about fake or not. It really is that simple.

These pseudo experiments typical of fake news have no scientific or statistical value. 😉

 

[Jamacfer]

ok, you can make it scientific. Put them on a support on each side, and start putting weight on it in the middle. See which one bends sooner. start with 500g and go higher. Its very simple.
Again, once you see it then you can talk about fake or not. It really is that simple.

Let's end it here, it is clear that we have 2 different opinions about several things and in particular about what "scientific experiment" means...😊

 

[ksodell]

The actual iMac I was targeting was also 4000$ CAD. And I think there was no RAM upgrade with it. Not gonna buy any Apple RAM.

Need a speedy machine too. But my Late-2013 is still fast enough surprisingly. So will keep it as long as it doesn’t explode.

Yeah, buying RAM from Apple is like giving someone $1000 to wash my car: I get something in return, but nothing near my money's worth! I hope any new iMacs have an 'open door policy' and allow us to add RAM.
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This thread is getting nowhere ... 🙄

I am on the "Will a redesigned iMac arrive in 202?" thread, right?

 

[Jamacfer]

Yeah, buying RAM from Apple is like giving someone $1000 to wash my car: I get something in return, but nothing near my money's worth! I hope any new iMacs have an 'open door policy' and allow us to add RAM.
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I am on the "Will a redesigned iMac arrive in 202?" thread, right?

Right 😊 I think that a refreshed intel iMac will arrive in July (not sure if redesigned) and a new redesigned ARM iMac 24” will be out in October-November.

 

[Cassandle]

Right 😊 I think that a refreshed intel iMac will arrive in July (not sure if redesigned) and a new redesigned ARM iMac 24” will be out in October-November.

This seems to be the most likely scenario. No design change for the Intel Mac.

21" stays as is, perhaps with a storage bump and/or a price reduction
27" gets a spec bump
24" is the redesigned, ARM version

 

[CWallace]

Tim Cook said in the video that the transition will be over in two years, meaning the entire product lineup will be transformed.

Tim said full transition to take place in 2 years.

If an Apple Silicon SoC can execute macOS x86 Cocoa code faster than an Intel W-3275M CPU and perform GPU calculations faster than a Radeon Pro Vega family model in only 24 months, they maybe should not have waited this long to move the Mac over.

 

[Ballis]

Right 😊 I think that a refreshed intel iMac will arrive in July (not sure if redesigned) and a new redesigned ARM iMac 24” will be out in October-November.

I agree. If it doesnt release in July, or august at the latest, I dont think its coming at all. And definetly no redesign for Intel.

 

[ssong]

Lol I’m calling it.

Intel refresh with current design - next Monday 29th June.

Apple special event on October 13 or October 20th for redesigned AS Macs

 

[Grohowiak]

Lol I’m calling it.

Intel refresh with current design - next Monday 29th June.

Apple special event on October 13 or October 20th for redesigned AS Macs

Tuesday 30th for Intel mac
October 20 for the ARM

 

[DrRadon]

Lol I’m calling it.

Intel refresh with current design - next Monday 29th June.

Apple special event on October 13 or October 20th for redesigned AS Macs

I doubt that. Right now everything is about WWDC, next week the first dev kids will arrive and get their reviews. If this was pushed from WWDC at all it was pushed to have these things in the media. Would be flabbergasted if anything dropped this soon.

 

[CWallace]

I doubt that. Right now everything is about WWDC, next week the first dev kids will arrive and get their reviews. If this was pushed from WWDC at all it was pushed to have these things in the media. Would be flabbergasted if anything dropped this soon.

But the general media - heck, even most of the non-Apple-focused tech media - stop following and reporting on WWDC after the Keynote. So in theory Apple could announce whenever they want and not worry about stepping on any toes.

Plus the first Dev Kit reviews are just going to be benchmarks since nobody will have any code written to actually test.

So not saying it will happen, but I could very much see it could happen.

 

[Grohowiak]

Did anybody report NDA's for the dev kits?

 

[FrankySavvy]

This seems to be the most likely scenario. No design change for the Intel Mac.

21" stays as is, perhaps with a storage bump and/or a price reduction
27" gets a spec bump
24" is the redesigned, ARM version

Yea but what about the Sonny Dickson leak about AMD NAVI graphics in the redesigned iMac. I think this is telling that at least the 27” will get a redesign with an Intel processor because AMD graphics wont work with ARM at least for the near future. If it was just a spec bump it would have been updated already.

What I am thinking is 27” gets updated with new design and 10th gen intel chips in July, then later a new 23” iMac to replace 21.5” in October with new Apple ARM processors. Apple with also introduce a new 13.3” MacBook with arm at this time as well, so by the end of 2020 you have a laptop and desktop running with arm processors with integrated graphics. Any Mac with dedicated GPU’s will be updated in 2021 or later.

 

[ssong]

I doubt that. Right now everything is about WWDC, next week the first dev kids will arrive and get their reviews. If this was pushed from WWDC at all it was pushed to have these things in the media. Would be flabbergasted if anything dropped this soon.

Not sure how much benchmark and reporting we’d get on the DTKs as it’s explicitly prohibited to run any benchmarks, crack it open, or discuss any element of the hardware or performance online
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Did anybody report NDA's for the dev kits?

MR did I think

Link https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/24/dont-take-your-a12z-mac-mini-to-the-genius-bar/

 

[gusping]

MR did I think

Link https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/24/dont-take-your-a12z-mac-mini-to-the-genius-bar/

I still look forward to someone tearing it down. Is the Mac mini just empty space, or is the A12Z clocked higher (did they mention anything on clocks?) and actively cooled.

 

[asb1]

This seems to be the most likely scenario. No design change for the Intel Mac.

21" stays as is, perhaps with a storage bump and/or a price reduction
27" gets a spec bump
24" is the redesigned, ARM version

My prediction is that the next product after this will be an ARM iMac Pro, in two sizes. No more multiple sizes for iMac. All other product lines work this way, "Pro" = two sizes, not Pro = one size!

Hoping for a 27" refresh or just a spec bump ASAP.

 

[BlueTide]

Well put. However the value proposition was there (if perhaps in only in hindsight) for the audio community.

Ah, that's getting me so nostalgic. The value prop for the dual-CPU machines was fantastic, less so for the single CPU machines but still not bad. For dual-CPUs, you were getting a lot more perf due to doubling the cores in age when the core counts were rather low. Many apps were able to benefit from those cores too and core-utilization-ceilings were more clear. On top of that, the prices were both in line (even cheaper) than competition and the dual-CPUs didn't have such price premiums compared to more plebeian models.

On top of that, MacOS came with GPU drivers that didn't have the artificial limitations that were common on PC side - disabling features that some of the pro-apps required. You could run software on far cheaper GPUs than on PC side.

All in all, for a while they were fantastic deals.

 

[Homy]

If an Apple Silicon SoC can execute macOS x86 Cocoa code faster than an Intel W-3275M CPU and perform GPU calculations faster than a Radeon Pro Vega family model in only 24 months, they maybe should not have waited this long to move the Mac over.

They had to wait this long to come to this point where they can change their whole product line in two years.

 

[Kjs100]

They had to wait this long to come to this point where they can change their whole product line in two years.

SJ said the transition from PowerPC to intel would take 2 years. Took 15 months. This (good read) article suggests 18 months to 2 years for intel to AS. As the article points out, barring issues, Apple will look good setting and then beating their target date and I'm pretty sure they will have picked a very achievable target.

Article aso suggests;
....there's at least a couple of years of new operating systems, several years of software support, and over half a decade of hardware support still ahead of you...".

Doesnt sound like much to me. I can't imagine an intel iMac is going to have much resale appeal.

What Apple Silicon means for the Mac and You

The Mac's transition from Intel to Apple Silicon will take a year or two — but what does this all mean for you?

www.imore.com

 

[Homy]

Don't underestimate ARM because it's a big family of CPUs and not only about mobile chips in iPhone.

Good news for future Macs: The fastest supercomputer uses Arm chips

The same processor family that powers phones and likely the next generation of Apple computers is at the heart of the world's fastest machine.

www.cnet.com

 

[ondert]

I think the redesigned 24” arm iMac will be just a big iPad Pro without touch interface and will use casual a14x chip with no additional performance, so it will be real thin but quite useless. That is my expectation after many failures I saw from Tim’s Apple. Simply they won’t scale the cpu this year. Hope I’m wrong.

 

[Manfredi]

I think the redesigned 24” arm iMac will be just a big iPad Pro without touch interface and will use casual a14x chip with no additional performance, so it will be real thin but quite useless. That is my expectation after many failures I saw from Tim’s Apple. Simply they won’t scale the cpu this year. Hope I’m wrong.

i relly hope you wrong... i'm execting the new iMac ARM and i won't discover that's just a big ipad ....

 

[DrRadon]

Not sure how much benchmark and reporting we’d get on the DTKs as it’s explicitly prohibited to run any benchmarks, crack it open, or discuss any element of the hardware or performance online
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MR did I think

Link https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/24/dont-take-your-a12z-mac-mini-to-the-genius-bar/

Well if they just borrow you the Mac mini the though of it being the computer in the sales database might be of?

Anyway, apple dos at least two week intervals between stuff, so don't expect anything next week. Like i said, maybe on the 8th, two weeks from now.

 

[mdgm]

I don't expect any of the ARM Macs to be released until around when Big Sur is released to the general public at the earliest. So at least about 3 months away.

If retail ARM Macs were imminent I don't think Apple would have released the Mac Mini kit that has to be returned. They would have just given developers early access to whatever the product was before the general public a few weeks later.

 

[yellow_lupine]

Any hope Apple will release a new refreshed/restyled iMac next week?