If its a redesign, I’m buying it. I actually want the last intel processor, so I can still run windows/bootcamp.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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For Many that’s good advice. But you need to think about professionals working now who need a system.
first we have NO idea when a AS 27” iMac will drop. Could be a year or more. Next, we don’t know what the transition will be like. Plugins and apps that I rely on every day can be slow to adapt, even from one OS to another on the SAME chip.
Apple has never had a 100% smooth transition even between operating systems. This is a whole new chip and form factor.
its not just about new Macs coming... it’s about when they’ll be ready to smoothly transition over to for professionals who do more than web surf.
if your a non professional, sure wait. Some of us can’t wait 2 years on Tim’s schedule to have the ideal dream computer...if it even is. Might take a few generations. I think buying an intel now that we know will work with all our 3rd party stuff can be a very smart move as a transition computer.
Of course yeah, I understand this. Software support is crucial for those who work on their Mac with specific softwares.
There is a lot of potential yes, but you guys are over hyping the Apple Silicon like it's the second coming of computing, and we just don't know how the early results will be other than some lame early bench of the dev model. A bit of caution would be recommended, or at least "cautious" optimism. I'm a little skeptical of the how and of the when with regards to a high end imac AS. That said, I certainly do hope to be impressed rather than dissapointed.
With the high integration of macOS with the hardware, it simply cannot go bad.
Ownership of: Software. Hardware. Custom: Tuned software threads to hardware co-processors.
It's a killer punch that Intel, AMD, Nv' M$ don't have.
Good luck anyone matching this.
They haven't been able to in Phones or Pads.
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50% more performance.
That could mean anything.
It could mean 50% more cores. It could mean 50% more single core performance (I wouldn't bet against. It's been one of the aspects of 'A' cpu superiority which has pounded the Android competition.)
50% more single core v intel? 4 gig base close intel becomes 6 gig in AS performance.
The Mac Mini ig is pfffft. The A12z gpu? (According to one dev? About a Nv1060.)
It's true for me...Apple isn't doing this unless they can get 50-100% more performance running with no or min' active cooling...battering Xeon cpus in the process...and gpu performance that will rock AMD and Nvidia to their core.
Even a cash poor company like AMD came up with the lower to mid range last year gpu of the 5700XT.
And a 1.5 trillion company can't beat that? And run cooler?
It's humiliation for the competition. Or nothing.
Azrael.
Sure, I agree but I have one question: What have those professionals were doing up to now?
See? those that need a machine for work etc. already have it and already work on it. This situation is not urgent except for those that had their machine broken and out of warranty and don't want to pay for repair. The rest can wait a little longer.
Those that have machines from 2012 or 2015 have been ok for 8 years (5) or so so I'm sure it won't kill them to wait 2-3 more months.
Its all great but if someone here tells me that they need machine urgently and yet they are on 2012 or 2015 model and its NOT broken and they haven't started new job that demands more demanding software then they can wait. Its plain and simple. Its NEED vs DESIRE and those 2 don't mix and match. Those that really needed already bought ages ago. Most likely last year. The rest of us are just impatient. Lets face it, if the rumour wasn't for WWDC and it was for Fall 2020 we would all adjust and be ok with it.
Sure, there are EXCEPTIONS (like first time buyers, new jobs, etc.) but I'm not talking about those.
So, lets all relax, hold on a little longer and then evaluate which path we want to go. Of course, if its tomorrow and its awesome deal then even I might jump on it but knowing Apple I think its going to be tapid and the big fireworks will come later this year.
So, lets see if my reason will win over desire
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ahhahaha, maybe we could all do therapy to each other to not buy
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See? those that need a machine for work etc. already have it and already work on it. This situation is not urgent except for those that had their machine broken and out of warranty and don't want to pay for repair. The rest can wait a little longer.
Those that have machines from 2012 or 2015 have been ok for 8 years (5) or so so I'm sure it won't kill them to wait 2-3 more months.
Its all great but if someone here tells me that they need machine urgently and yet they are on 2012 or 2015 model and its NOT broken and they haven't started new job that demands more demanding software then they can wait. Its plain and simple. Its NEED vs DESIRE and those 2 don't mix and match. Those that really needed already bought ages ago. Most likely last year. The rest of us are just impatient. Lets face it, if the rumour wasn't for WWDC and it was for Fall 2020 we would all adjust and be ok with it.
Sure, there are EXCEPTIONS (like first time buyers, new jobs, etc.) but I'm not talking about those.
So, lets all relax, hold on a little longer and then evaluate which path we want to go. Of course, if its tomorrow and its awesome deal then even I might jump on it but knowing Apple I think its going to be tapid and the big fireworks will come later this year.
So, lets see if my reason will win over desire
)))))ahhahaha, maybe we could all do therapy to each other to not buy
AA for iMac buy
It's Intel iMac now. For those that need 'now.' Work now. Their machine is dead. Dying. Not up to it. Old. 'Done.' As in £££ to earn production machine. And genuine proven Intel compatibility. And Bootcamp. Ofc. It should be a respectable spec. Design or not. We'll see.
This scenario of the Intel iMac is a sale to many Mac customers. They simply 'need' it according to their work needs.
And AS for those that can wait on that iMac 24 which will steam roll any consumer Intel iMac. The promise of the future. Again. We'll see.
We'll have to see head to head comparisons.
But? I expect Apple to go all out to create such a leveraged software and hardware punch they're going to knock the competition clean out. A bit like when they did mobile 64 bit...and had the competition's loin clothes swinging in the breeze...
Comparisons? We'll have to wait another half a year to do that. By then, Intel iMac and the iMac 24 will be revealed in all likelihood.
By then...it will be academic as the consumer transition will be over within 7 months of the 1st consumer AS Mac shipping.
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I have high confidence that this transition will be even more compatible than the last one. Especially as millions of iPhone and iPad apps will warp in to the 'Mac' platform. This will be the most compatible machine ever. *(waves to M$ and Adobe...)
We may not even notice...bar Boot Camp's loss.
Speed wise? I think the emulation will be surpassed by at least 50% superior AS performance.
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I'm all for culling the hype train here as well. There's always the possibility for this to go poorly.
That said, I'd say some optimism is warranted. I just can't see Apple jumping the gun on this transition. It'd be insane to announce "we're gonna be off Intel completely in 2 years" without knowing that your processor roadmap is gonna be better than theirs.
Remember this is the company that still sells spinning drives stock in 2020 & puts Hot intel chips In new units without proper cooling.
I‘m an Apple fan for life, but let’s not pretend that they don’t make head scratching dumb mistakes at times.
Sure, I agree but I have one question: What have those professionals were doing up to now?
See? those that need a machine for work etc. already have it and already work on it. This situation is not urgent except for those that had their machine broken and out of warranty and don't want to pay for repair. The rest can wait a little longer.
Those that have machines from 2012 or 2015 have been ok for 8 years (5) or so so I'm sure it won't kill them to wait 2-3 more months.
Its all great but if someone here tells me that they need machine urgently and yet they are on 2012 or 2015 model and its NOT broken and they haven't started new job that demands more demanding software then they can wait. Its plain and simple. Its NEED vs DESIRE and those 2 don't mix and match. Those that really needed already bought ages ago. Most likely last year. The rest of us are just impatient. Lets face it, if the rumour wasn't for WWDC and it was for Fall 2020 we would all adjust and be ok with it.
Sure, there are EXCEPTIONS (like first time buyers, new jobs, etc.) but I'm not talking about those.
So, lets all relax, hold on a little longer and then evaluate which path we want to go. Of course, if its tomorrow and its awesome deal then even I might jump on it but knowing Apple I think its going to be tapid and the big fireworks will come later this year.
So, lets see if my reason will win over desire
ahhahaha, maybe we could all do therapy to each other to not buy
AA for iMac buy
I've been using my 2017 MBP, which need's a restart about every hour (I dont know why, but Vectorworks seems to work best on my machine after a restart, then it goes downhill). I've been using side car (which is glitchy as heck) because I know longer have a large screen 'at the office' because of the pandemic. The computer's i typically have access to are no longer available because there's a pandemic. My laptop has gotten me through a few years of coffee shop work on smaller files, but large events mean larger files mean slower productivity. I was going to buy a 2020 MacBook Pro 16" before the pandemic hit, and use an external display with it, and sell off my 2017. However, then work stopped for months, and as I look at the next year of work available to me, a large screen desktop makes much more sense.
But even past that: I don't want an apple silicon processor yet. The transition will be buggy for my software and plug-in's. And it's not like, oh shoot that doesnt work yet. No. If something doesnt work, it means i go back to my mac book because I need it to work.
BUT EVEN PAST THAT. There is no large screen iMac coming this Fall according to most rumors (which granted are just rumors). The 24" rumored AS iMac is a replacement for the smaller less powerful intel iMac. The larger 27" or rumored 32" Apple silicon replacement isn't coming for what? A year? a year and a half? WE DONT KNOW. And mean while i bill out to my customers for a spinning beach ball? It makes more sense for me to have a large screen intel iMac for the next two years, and once the world stops being on fire and I need a mobile solution, maybe the AS MacBook Pro and my software will be on the same page. Until then, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD UPDATE THE IMAC.
One point i'll cede, i'm shooting myself in the foot by waiting this month out possibly, as I could just buy the 2019 iMac. But I'm trying to rough it out through July just in case.
Yes, but pretty sure that the AS iMac 24 will equal the performance of an Intel imac 27.
But for larger iMac, yes. I think the most optimistic window is march 2021, but more likely to happen at the end of 2021 or even March 2022.
If it was March, it would have had to been Intel models, but it also would have had to been 9th Generation (which the 2019 4K does not have, but the 2019 5K does have as BTO). So we'd have seen the base 5K iMac and all the 4K iMacs move from their current 8th Generation to 9th Generation, which would have been an upgrade, but we'd still have been "stuck" with the same 9th Generation with the i5-9600K and i9-9900K BTO options as the 2019 model unless Intel was willing to let Apple have 10th Generation Comet Lake before any other PC OEM (via the "i9-10910"). But they did that before with the Memrom Core 2 Duo L7500 and L7700 in the original MacBook Air, so...
I do think that these Intel iMacs are going to come with Navi 14 Mobile Workstation GPUs - 5300M | 5500M | 5600M - and the 5600M is going to be hello-expensive like on the MacBook Pro 16 due to the 8GB of HBM2 memory it uses. I honestly do not think we will see desktop Navi 10 (5700-series) and all those entries for Navi 10 and 10+ GPUs in macOS are for the Mac Pro (and even there, we might not see all of those models in MPX form - it could just be a "covering of the bases").
I have 2017 MBP too and I use it for Maya etc. I've tried 2019 iMac and its not that much faster ie. except the screen there isn't that much difference. Mainly because Intel sux and last few years there was no progress. Sure, GPU is better but its not 2-3x faster. I use this MBP for light gaming (Blizzard games) and its fine also.
So, 2017 is definitely something that can make you survive this waiting. No doubt about that.
Yours does seem broken though. Software or hardware - not sure but it doesn't behave normally. I would get it checked. (are you on Catalina? - I've never installed that junk)
My point is that I want iMac because I hate laptops and also my partner needs a computer too as so far we have been sharing this computer.
So, lets wait this out and meanwhile you book an appointment to have yours checked? 2017 is still very speedy machine even for today's standards. Don't let the date fool you.
I know that AS will be insane in few years and I know its the future. Hence why I'm super excited about this transition.
Will I wait it out or buy the last intel? We shall see what Apple gives us. Same design and underwhelming spec bump = go fishing Apple.
New design with small bezels and up to date specs = I might be in!
Regardless, we only have few weeks left so lets support each other for this difficult waiting game. We have done quite well past few months. So close now, lets not lose hope
So, 2017 is definitely something that can make you survive this waiting. No doubt about that.
Yours does seem broken though. Software or hardware - not sure but it doesn't behave normally. I would get it checked. (are you on Catalina? - I've never installed that junk)
My point is that I want iMac because I hate laptops and also my partner needs a computer too as so far we have been sharing this computer.
So, lets wait this out and meanwhile you book an appointment to have yours checked? 2017 is still very speedy machine even for today's standards. Don't let the date fool you.
I know that AS will be insane in few years and I know its the future. Hence why I'm super excited about this transition.
Will I wait it out or buy the last intel? We shall see what Apple gives us. Same design and underwhelming spec bump = go fishing Apple.
New design with small bezels and up to date specs = I might be in!
Regardless, we only have few weeks left so lets support each other for this difficult waiting game. We have done quite well past few months. So close now, lets not lose hope
Word. If it's a redesign, I'm buying. Of course the early AS benchmarks will be compelling, but it will take some time for the AS ecosystem to work out just as it did from PowerPC to Intel. Perhaps a couple years beyond the couple years to intro AS. Whenever the full solutions are there for me I'll evaluate whether to sell the iMac wholesale or pass it on to somebody. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy the new hotness.
same! I’d be good with Space Gray and a fix to the cooling, I’m fine with the big bezels that everyone complains about. I seriously don’t care about that and I’ve always liked the “chin”.
It absolutely needs a new camera first and foremost. I hope it also keeps the RAM upgradability.
I rather think in equivalents of Intels Macs than percentages. With some reasoning and using geekbench as metric (which I am not fully satisfied with) results in the following comparisons:
*A12Z of 4 cores slightly underclocked got 800/2600 Geekbench when Geekbench where running under rosetta. Assuming 10% overhead for rosetta means roughly 900/2900 natively. That would correspond to the performance of 27" iMac 2015 using an i5. We assume that chip still runs at 8W even if it is down clocked.
*7nm>5nm means higher transistor density. It is not unreasonable that this shrink with allow for 8P+4E in the same chip area and possibly scale GPU from 8C to 16 or 24C. Can we also assume 10% higher performance due to node shrink? Probably and that would lead to 1000/3200 where the multicore performance is still using only four cores . Scaling to 8 cores would mean 6400 and adding the 4 efficiency cores would likely lead to 7500 (assuming no decrease in clock speed using more cores). A 1000/7500 score corresponds to a iMac Pro 8 core from 2017.
*Can we expect "overclocking" of 30% due to doubling of TDP (20W)? Likely and would lead to about 1300/10000 (I believe performance scales linearily with clock speed) which takes us into iMac Pro 10 core for multithread and exceed the 2019 iMac i9 single thread.
*We really have no clue about GPU performances there are no metric at all. However, given the new architecture of GPU using e.g. rapid tile memory as cache plus a reasonable scaling to 16-24 core GPU+ some higher clock speeds, we could see GPU performance corresponding to 4-6 X over an A12Z.
I therefore expect that the 24-inch will have an AS corresponding to a high end iMac but with slightly lower graphics performance which is OK as it need to drive a 4K screen and some compute can be offloaded into the neural engine and other coprocessors. I also think it can be passively cooled like an iPad.
I might be entirely wrong in my reasoning and if so, please point errors out because it may decide my buying pattern.
They could whip out an EGPU option similar to an Afterburner card.
So is today the day? well it will be tomorrow for morning for me? i wonder if I need to get up at 3am to check??
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If something happens it should be tomorrow by Apples news gaps. Still not complaining if it dos happen today, probably complaining if it dos not happen this month though. ^^
Hmm, eGPU such as external Apple GPU card via Thunderbolt 4? Interesting, afterburner might also be added in that way to lower specced AS Macs.
Your guess is as good as mine regarding release but I would prioritise sleep.
Good night and sleep well!