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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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I would rather take a good cooling and slightly lower perfomance than an "new" comet lake chip i iMac case/cooling.

Better cooling would be nice. The iMac Pro has had it for 3 years.

The consumer iMac has sat with little innovation for high coin.

Azrael.
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I don't know what to make of those dates to be honest as they is such a wide variance in the dates.

Which leaker backpedaled? I missed that one.

Perhaps I am going to get banned for posting another leaker tweet 😂 but here it goes:

'bout time, I'd say.

When Apple unveiled the 'Meh strip' on the Macbook Pro with Klakk RSI kb and M$ had unveiled the Surface Studio.

I was never more ashamed of Apple than that day. It was a changing of the guards.

Both companies had changed their CEOs. And the different in leadership was demonstrated that day.

A non product guy. vs. A product guy.

The Surface Studio is drop dead gorgeous. The design is dramatic in use. And M$ had the 'Pen' ready to go...along with other professional 'dial' widgets. It looked like the Mac 'we' (or certainly I!!!) had always wanted.

You know...for the creative* community.

It made the iMac look like what it was. iStale.

So if this comes off. 'Well done' Apple for 'finally' catching up...

Azrael.
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So...it's 'not' coming with a new design...?

Azrael.
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I don't know what to make of those dates to be honest as they is such a wide variance in the dates.

Which leaker backpedaled? I missed that one.

Perhaps I am going to get banned for posting another leaker tweet 😂 but here it goes:

I'd buy that Mac.

Azrael.
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Intel iMac seems to be hotting up again. Pun intended.

Not a dramatic update that 8, 10 or 12 (depending on your design point of view...) stagnation warrants, though?

Specs seem a lock. Just waiting for the sticker shock?

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Don't you feel that the iMac Pro is a bit long in the tooth? I don't think I would be comfortable shelling out AUD$9000 on a three year old computer.

I'm looking forward to seeing some leakers burn tonight.

It is 'long in the tooth.' :p

And guess what?

Apple are still selling it at £4999. A reality warping sticker price.

Shocking price for a 3 year old relic.

It was pricey when 1st they did release it.

8 core PCs, with an SSD (get with this century, Apple...) and a half decent gpu? Dime a dozen in PC land. £1250 quite easy. You'll pay four times that with an iMac Pro.

Azrael.
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*slow hand clap.*

Azrael.
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I was looking at the Australian stores and non are available for pickup.

Looking at the three base 27" models without customising the order, the default delivery schedules are:
3GHZ 6CORE - 11/08/2020 - 18/08/2020
3.1GHZ 6CORE - 18/08/2020 - 25/08/2020
3.7GHZ 6CORE - 22/09/2020 - 29/09/2020

You tell me what you make out of this?

What I make of it?

Old junk.

For high prices.

At too long a wait.

Azrael.
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Now, let's see if another round of "leakers" gets burned today. Very probable, I would like to have those AirPod studio though...

It is upheaval in the Apple kingdom and "leakers" apparently have difficulties to navigate the information given in second or third hand. They may hear many messages from the inside that naturally can be mixed up because of AS.

Pity the cannot drop the price on the iMac Pro with say $1000-1500. If so they could simply remove the current iMac and many would be happy until the AS 27-32 inch arrives.

The entry model is, at best a £2500 computer.

No way is iMac Pro £5000. (Pure greed.)

Azrael.
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I'm just going to say that tomorrow is not happening. And I doubt we will see anything soon. All these bloody leakers are nothing than just bunch of teenage wankers. Prosser included - that guy is a ducking tool.

They all have been wrong so many times that they clearly showed us that they have no idea and they are just trying their 'luck'.
So, Intel is doing something this week so lets wait for that and then there is the september thing.

Overall, I feel we will just have to wait Sep/Oct.

If Oct then RDNA2 would be perfect. It would solve the heating issues and if the custom intel chips is good too we are good to go for a redesign. :)

Otherwise, Apple keep your bloody spec bump that no one wants. We want good machines for your prices. Not the outdated junk you give us each year.

And the bezels? Don't get me started there and on Fusion - oh dear I'm just getting pissy :D :D :D

Having modern components is what we want in an iMac...and a modern design. :)

However, the iMac's history is against this.

It's called? 'Stagflation.' (We charge you more or last year's tech'...and a 8/10 or 12 year old design.)

Great for shareholders. Bad for products.

Pishy? I feel pishy. So that's two of us. :)

Apple releasing something that's out of date before new tech' becomes available is a typical Apple move.

They probably don't want anything to clash with Sep' because of 'iPhone.' (Geeze, I'm really bored of phones now...)

So whether 'today' or August wouldn't surprise me. That's an Apple thing to do. Goose what Intel buyers they can before they bury them with buyer's remorse in October with an ARM release that demonstates the potential of their own silicon.

Anybody that has a recent iMac shouldn't feel too bad. This update will probably have the same design (again, we only have Apple's history of radically upating the iMac for the last 12 years...) and an all round specs boost.

The only dramatic thing about it will be SSD as standard. And the only way to get a good model will be to BTO spec the life out of it.

Instead of the iMac Pro's cooling we'll probably just get under volted and lower clocked components.

The good news (come on, Azrael...you're so down beat today...did someone pish in your cornflakes (gluten free...but not pish free...) is that you can still connect an RDNA2 gpu to the iMac when it drops later in Sep/Oct and still have an iMac that is way cheaper than the iMac Pro.

And the other 'good news' is probably no more F.F.Sake Drive. :p

But as CWallace indicates...when ever Apple uses up to date tech' we'll pay for it with a price rise...

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*Nods*

That one of the release options for Apple Silicon Macs is a month or more before there is even an OS to put on them... *facepalm*




It is frustrating with Intel's current nuclear furnace CPUs (and, to a lesser extent, AMD's GPUs). Apple started designing the iMac and MacBook Pro when Intel was telling them that transistor-process would shrink by half (from 14nm to 7nm) and these 7nm chips would sip power and run as warm as a spring day in the Pacific Northwest.

Instead, a decade on, Intel is still at 14nm and their most powerful models are pushing two - even three - times rated TDP. It is so bad that Intel had to redefine TDP from the maximum heat output a chip would generate to the bloody baseline!

Now if Apple had no choice but to keep using Intel, we'd be seeing much thicker iMacs and much thicker and heavier MacBooks because they would have eventually had to throw up their hands and take the design hit to cover Intel's catastrophic thermal miss.

But they have had Apple Silicon likely in the pipeline for years now (2018 at the earliest and I expect earlier) so they're just running out the clock on the consumer Intel-powered Mac line until they can move it all to Apple Silicon and where they have to stay Intel (iMac Pro and Mac Pro), design for insane heat-loads with large fans and lots of cooling holes.





They probably should have just moved to the 65W chips, but if they had not, they'd have been crucified by the "Spec Hounds" who will trade numbers for usability.

It's likely why Intel is making a custom 95W i9 for the next Intel iMac as the 125W model is just a no-go.

A decent post. Full of common sense and logic.

The thing Apple had in their control. Eg. Decent cooling on the iMac Pro?

They let their iMac customers fry. 3 years old iMac Pro cooling should have been brought to the iMac. (We'll see if the new iMac update has it. Not holding my breath.)

Things like updating the cooling, including recent gpu tech' and modifying the design (12 years now...) and including 8 cores on the T2 or Tier 3 iMac...all within Apple's control.

Poor value. Weak design. High prices. Under whelming specs.

They can't pin that all on Intel. (And I do get what you're saying about Intel. That is why Apple is going AS.)

Intel are a 'hot mess' of bugs right now with no end in sight.

Azrael.
 
Same, but it's also a terrible time to build a PC. The new AMD processors are about to come out and both the next generation of AMD and NVIDIA GPUs are on the way as well.

This is on point.

PC prices are about to be clobbered as soon as the new cpu and gpu products come out.

I'm using PC builders. But why pay several hundred more by buying now when you don't have to. It's the same thing with buying Apple right now.

We're about to see new GPUs drop from Nv and AMD. These aren't just a new generation but a dramatic one we've been waiting years for. Ray Tracing with nominal performance hit.

Consoles with Ray Tracing. A PS5 for £499. This puts current tech' under enormous tech' and pricing pressure.

So. Buying right now..? Is a shockingly bad idea for anyone not desperate for a working machine right now.

I had pinned my hopes on fall of this year to see how all this would fall before buying a new product.

But my machine died of gpu fry this March. So it goes.

(Apple will probably release teh intel iMac with some last year mid range gpu...any time now...which would be typical of them...as they know full well the RDNA2 is about to drop...but they don't want Intel buyers on a RDNA2 iMac when they want their AS iMac to look good when it drops in half a year's time... Marketing. Cynical. Marketing.)

Azrael.
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I always enjoy your posts CWallace. :)

While I'm looking forward to eventually upgrading my 2017 iMac, I'm in no rush. I am afraid, that people are setting expectations too high related to either 15-hour battery life or night-and-day performance gains. While I think Apple Silicon is more than ready to take on mid-range Intel, I do not think this first wave of Macs are going to be able to take on the upper-mid to high range of Intel chips and dedicated GPUs.

I do, however, think that after two or three generations they'll be able to steadily outpace intel in all but perhaps the highest-end workstations. I'm also not too concerned about the GPU situation. I think that Apple will be able to stack enough core to match at least the mid-tier 27" iMac traditional performance slot and there's nothing stopping Apple from supporting discrete GPUs. In fact, I don't see how they can avoid doing so if they're going to keep a Mac Pro in the lineup.

It's not 'us' setting up super high expectations for Apple Silicon.

I saw the WWDC2020 demos with my own eyes and what a A12z could do in a 'Mac' Mini.

3x4 streams. That's impressive.
1080p butter smooth Lara. (No jokes...)
Multi gig PS files. Instant 'do.'
Maya's 10 million shaded scene thrown around the bed room.

That's before you hear those bloomsberg leaks (designed to wound Intel...and big up the AS move...) 'not' from Apple ofc...that cite around 50%-100% better performance.

Intel have been in a hole of their own making for a decade. They've only had a cash poor AMD to compete with.

Now they're going to face a 1.5 trillion company that have learned all their secrets by working with them closely. So saw what Apple did to Imagination. And that was 'most trusted' ally.

Wait until you see them kick intel around the ring...tray their head and ladder their body after throwing them out the ring...

Azrael.
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Makes total sense to have air power in a non mobile devices event.


They seem to have pretty high level access instead of just supply chain access when they can get pretty much every change of date apple apparently dos on Sunday's in their office.

19th of august would be 29 days after the climate goal announcement. (Monday would be 17. so only 27 days)
While the September date would only be 20 days after that.
Very unapple.

Also, that September date has been up for debate among the leakers in the past days.
First week of September is an easy guess because thats were the event has been in the past two years. Apple probably even wanted it there. But will covid allow? And if covid dos not, will it just be two weeks later like someone claimed?

All of this is very fishy.

I´ll stick with l0vetodream for now. His percentage is great. Products are ready to ship.
I´ll stick with Prosser for now. His percentage is great. He said long ago iMac and "some version of Headphones" are ready to Ship.

Maybe it's this week... the Monday after 30 days of concluding WWDC.
Maybe it's next week... a month before the iPhone Event in September.
I doubt it's the 19th unless there is no, or a later, September Event.

Just let me order the darn thing already. I want to watch some unboxing and tests while i wait and after just unplug of this entire tech leaks scene and get back to fully geeking out on contend creation.
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All of this said.

There are some changes on the german store again.

The 27 inch iMac is now not listed as "unavailable" in apple stores anymore but as "available on".
Dates for available on vary.
The two Low tier 27 inchers are listed as available on 18 or 19th of august.
ALL Apple stores in Germany list these two Dates.

The high tier 27 inch is listed as available on September 30th or October first.
ALL Apple stores in Germany list these two Dates. Except for Dresden were the current model is still in stock.

So it's an easy guess to push the news of "something is happening around the 19th of august" around that.


I will probably throw up and cry in a corner if the highest tier is delayed till first of october. But at least freida can come in now and droll about possible RDNA2 GPUs.



You know how this is going to go down, Dr...

...you know it's true...

Azrael.
 
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Yep.

I think this is it.

Checking UK right now.
Both Low and Mid Tier iMac Available in store starting (only) on August 18th.
Hige Tier avalible in store starting (only) on 30th of September.

Will look at US next.
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US still says "unavailable for Pickup" on everything not in stock. If this switches over to 18th of August and 30th of September anytime soon i think we got out Dates locked in.

Uhuh. Still 'imminent.' Stock outs for a while now. Means? 'Any time now.'

Azrael.
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I feel like the flip flop on this week to mid august may have occurred because of the house judiciary hearing having been rescheduled to this Wednesday. I don't think Apple wants to release products the same week their CEO is on TV testifying before Congress, potentially getting lambasted. I feel like this iMac has been politically thwarted at least 3 times now by world events, but the 10th gen refresh has to have been ready for quite a while.

They just don't want to release iMac products. :p

Year and a half later...

Azrael.
 
I was looking at the Australian stores and non are available for pickup.

Looking at the three base 27" models without customising the order, the default delivery schedules are:
3GHZ 6CORE - 11/08/2020 - 18/08/2020
3.1GHZ 6CORE - 18/08/2020 - 25/08/2020
3.7GHZ 6CORE - 22/09/2020 - 29/09/2020

You tell me what you make out of this?
BTO with the i9 instead of the 3.7 GHz and delivery time drops to 1-2 weeks, at least in Denmark.
 
I am wondering how this works out.

Maybe all of the low tier models don't get a redesign and thats why that one leaker said "no redesign till after ARM".
But if you put the high tier 27 inch to the end of September... would that mean no redesign again? Just new Parts? Or dos it need the redesign for better cooling? But in that case it won't be ahead of ARM, unless 24 inch ARM iMac actually hits in September. But that dos not work out with all the October = ARM MacBook event talk.

Something aint quiet right yet.

I would love if they have a video package on iMac and you can at least preorder the highest tier... but i suppose something might be missing? Maybe it gets 11th gen processing... but in that case why late september with intels event on 5th of September?
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Why wait.

If it's products that 'make sense.'

It's a 95 w cpu from Intel (not release yet?)
It's a gpu from AMD (not released yet.)

In terms of low power 10 cores and a lower power 5700. (The latter is my presumption. CWallance points to the 'Pro' variations that may drop.) Both the 'Geek' CPU and the 'Pro' GPU variations leaked as a spec. So, a 10 core with a 5300 gpu is maybe one of the options that is coming. One of the combinations possible. Maybe. (The word of the moment.)

We've seen Apple launch their 'new' tech' right before PC launches its 'new' tech'.

And if Apple drops the iMac Intel in August. That would track with their past behaviour.

I'd like an RDNA2 in this. But what is Apple's past iMac gpu behaviour? Have they included the latest gpu tech' in an iMac short of £4999? Ever? (The only time I remember having top ten gpu performance was in my 2012 iMac which had the 680MX, which is now fried.)

The current iMac has low end gpu. It's BTO is also out. of. Date.

Nv' is about to lap Apple's current gpu options for the 3rd time?

The good news is on the horizon. But August is very early for any of that.

But that doesn't mean we won't get an iMac in August. Just that Apple will shepherd iMac buyers away from RDNA2 in an Intel Mac because they want to herd iMac buyers to their own gpus in AS Macs.

Why would an Intel iMac owner with an RDNA2 inside look at the AS other than design? You could afford to wait, right?

Apple are going to pressure Intel Mac buyers right after they gauge them.

Azrael.
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Soooooo tempted to just build a pc.

...and new AMD processors are imminent. So is RDNA2. So is Ampere.

The waiting is on both sides of the fence for a reason.

Big tech' cusp coming this Fall.

Azrael.
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Nice. Three weeks of calm.

Yup.

Azrael.
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God crap it. Hope is dashed again. I was so pumped to throw my wallet with reckless abandon at my screen tomorrow.

Wouldn't your Macboo Pro 2017 just work fine with a 32 inch BenQ 4k monitor?

You could sit out and wait until the real deal drops?

Azrael.
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I feel like this is going to be a HUGE iMac update.

Reasons:
  1. It's been too long without a major redesign. From the front, the current iMac looks exactly the same as my 2010 one. TEN YEARS of a computer looking the same!!
  2. After 20 years, the OS is going from X (10) to 11. That feels like it warrants recognition in the machines' redesigns across the board.
  3. With Apple silicon and Big Sur allowing native iOS and iPadOS apps, *most* of the applications on Macs will be touch first applications.
  4. Tied into the previous point, Big Sur looks like it's meant for touch.
  5. Apple won't likely want to put touch screens on Macs without a good story about why it's no longer an ergonomics issue as they'd argued previously. That means they'll likely do something like the Surface Studio form factor.
  6. This is less likely to factor in as the COVID pandemic is relatively new, but I believe desktop computers will have a resurgence as fewer people are carrying their computers back and forth to workplaces and desktops offer more bang for the buck.

Way too long doesn't mean a great deal.

Look at the Mac Mini apology update.

Azrael.
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That can be covered with the 24" Apple Silicon model with pricing as such:
  • $1499 for 8GB and 256GB storage
  • $1999 for 16GB and 512GB storage
  • $2499 for 32GB and 1TB storage
And for the record, I do not believe Apple will move the Intel iMac 5K to the iMac Pro chassis. I'm not sure they will drop Fusion for the Intel iMac 5K, for that matter.

But if they do both, to believe the base iMac 5K will still be $1799-1999 is, frankly, laughable.

You can't get the bigger MBPro for less than £2k now.

I'm expecting a similar move with iMac. With scant justification for this outrageous idea. (8 gigs of extra ram and dropping nickle and dime old drive tech'?)

Azrael.
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What's the point of releasing a new iMac without it being redesigned..mind as well just wait for ARM and a complete redesign

Because Apple will goose Intel buyers who 'need' Intel.

Then they'll bury them with a sexy new iMac24 release that will psychologically remorse their buying decision.

It's old sales 101.

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All leakers will 'crash and burn' as Apple are doubling down on secrecy (for the Intel iMac...why bother...we know it's out of date...:p )

And yanking them around will be Apple's operandi.

Leakers got taken behind the cow shed for the iMac at WWDC. *shrugs.

Stock outs of iMac tell us that a new model is imminent. Translation? Days. Weeks. Likely August now.

I'd love to say Sep with RDNA2. But does Apple ever release iMacs in Sep?

Fall...? By then. RDNA2 will have launched? But what is Apple's track record of using the latest GPU tech' in the iMac? Will they really market the Intel iMac alongside the reveal of the AS laptop?

August seems to make most sense. Doesn't clash with the iphone or using the latest gpu tech'. :p

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I’m beginning to wonder if I should just bite the bullet and go with the MacBook 16”. August 24th? Really? Wait another month for a damn spec bump?
 
not sure if anyone noticed... but the twitter account that posted the whole "Monday" thing, deleted his tweet.


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I think Prosser is probably right and it will be August. We had a tweet saying 19th and now one saying 24th.


With Apple themselves listing the 18th all over Europe i doubt it's the 24th.

It's probably monday the 17th since stores are already closed here around the time Apple makes announcements. So they will start selling on the 18th in store.

Just to bad about the high tier 27 inch being listed for 6 weeks later than all the other machines.
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not sure if anyone noticed... but the twitter account that posted the whole "Monday" thing, deleted his tweet.


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He did not start the monday crafuffel. Someone no-one ever heard of did start that in comments to one of the dirt worst "leaker" accounts out there.

 
BTO with the i9 instead of the 3.7 GHz and delivery time drops to 1-2 weeks, at least in Denmark.
Well if I change it to the i9 and keep the Fusion drive it says 08/10/2020 - 14/10/2020 but if change the fusion drive SSD the dates change to 19/08/2020 - 26/08/2020.

So maybe there is something going on? This is doing my head in!!!

These leakers are a bit like the people who don't want to wear masks (due to covid) and make a big huff & puff about it. perhaps I am guilty of sharing their tweets and buying into it.
 
Maybe that's where he stole it from, but 9to5 and AI referenced the SoyBeys guy

Yeah. They pretty much only wrote something around what we already had talked about here for a day or two based on those tweets. I guess thats how blogging goes.
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Well if I change it to the i9 and keep the Fusion drive it says 08/10/2020 - 14/10/2020 but if change the fusion drive SSD the dates change to 19/08/2020 - 26/08/2020.

That sounds like a fun find. I am pretty confident in 17/18/19th of August.

In germany i see a lot of "10th to 17th of August" delivery times in BTO. Even for the highest tier 27 inch. Delivery times only extend to late September when i select 3TB Fusion Drive.

21,5 times are all first week of august in BTO.
 
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no! It's the 18th august, but why not, the 24th...

iMac, some models out of store stock for over two month now, is listed for the 18th on apples homepage to return to every single store in Europe... previously only listed as "not available for pickup" for said several month of unavailability.
What more do you want?
 
not sure if anyone noticed... but the twitter account that posted the whole "Monday" thing, deleted his tweet.


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The trolls with fake Twitter accounts are out and having a bit of fun at our expense.

It doesn’t help that every Mac site is posting up every rumour, without any regard for truth and integrity. No, they’re not journalists by any stretch of the imagination, and I get it all about page views and ad dollars. And of course I don’t have to click on the articles.

Posting tweets don’t take any effort at all. I’d believe them more if they had evidence as in photos.
It does kind of makes me nostalgic for the old days when leaks were grainy photos taken at MacWorld of boxes in an elevator draped in black.
 
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