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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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That doesn't count of course. That is just bridging the gap and using the Apple system.
I've done that in past. Bought something, used it for 2 weeks and then returned it.

I kinda feel that it would be good to do that again but I'm not in an urgent need. So for now, I'll wait on my 2017 MBP. :)

Even if they plan to return it if they actually get a 2019 model?
 
That doesn't count of course. That is just bridging the gap and using the Apple system.
I've done that in past. Bought something, used it for 2 weeks and then returned it.

I kinda feel that it would be good to do that again but I'm not in an urgent need. So for now, I'll wait on my 2017 MBP. :)
I as well am in the exact same boat. I keep loading the page on the store and everything... the only thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger is the fact that in the event the imac isn’t updated in august, i know I’ll be too lazy to return the 2019 model, and will end up keeping it.
 
Mac sales up significantly last quarter and would have been even better if not for supply constraints on certain models which Apple is working hard to alleviate to meet the demand.

So sounding like Apple would not be holding back on new iMacs if they were truly "ready to ship" nor stopping production of old models to wait for said new models.
 
iPhone delayed which is the perfect timing for iMac in Sep with RDNA2 :D :D :D
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So yeah, Sep it is :D :D :D :D

  • Project supply of September releases to be available "a few weeks later."
  • As such, the "product mix" for the September quarter will be different
 
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iPhone delayed which is the perfect timing for iMac in Sep with RDNA2 :D :D :D
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So yeah, Sep it is :D :D :D :D

  • Project supply of September releases to be available "a few weeks later."
  • As such, the "product mix" for the September quarter will be different

i would be shocked if we get RDNA2 pretty sure its a pipe dream. Apple always uses older GFX cards stuff thats cheap for them to mass buy
 
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Listening to Freidas advice won't make you happy. She has been setting herself and others up for disappointment for a solid half year here now and is doing so by setting very unreasonable and unrealistic expectations that a founded on fantasy far more than any kind of precedent or realism.
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i would be shocked if we get RDNA2 pretty sure its a pipe dream. Apple always uses older GFX cards stuff thats cheap for them to mass buy

Of cause it is. This iMac, based on all information we have, should have been out month ago and Apple is years behind modern GPU tech anyway. And even IF (wich is not happening) Apple won't hold the entire, partially sold out for month now, iMac Lineup back for one extremely expensive up sell on the highest high end model - they would just push it via store update like they did with MacBook Pro 16 inch fairly recently. It's completely unreasonable, unfounded, unrealistic bs to expect the iMac to come with PS5 tech.
And, if you include next gen, apparently super op, tech you also sort of doom yourself to do better with whatever you plan for your ARM GPU next year. Apple will very happily not outdo themselves with the GPU selection on this one because theres cash to be made next year as well.
 
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Listening to Freidas advice won't make you happy. She has been setting herself and others up for disappointment for a solid half year here now and is doing so by setting very unreasonable and unrealistic expectations that a founded on fantasy far more than any kind of precedent or realism.
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Getting what we want now always makes us 'happy.'

Though, it's been said that the only thing worse than not getting what you want...is getting what you want.

The only contention points on the new iMac appear to be things Apple haven't done a lot of in the last ten years.

Fanciful?

Increase the screen size to 32 inches. *(They have historically increased the iMac 27 inches from the original 15.)
Include superior gpu tech' like RDNA2. (They did include a 'top ten' gpu in the 680MX on my 2012 iMac. Ironically. Nvidia.)
..and wurrrl....update the design. (The actually tapered the thick flat edges into thinner, misleading, edges.)

*(To be fair, we did get 5k...the killer feature of the iMac. It is an 'eye bath of soothing serenity...')

Ironic. As these 'fanciful' items are would make the iMac a far more compelling design. And it's been a long time since we've had ANYTHING 'fanciful' (or we could just use the word...INNOVATIVE...:p !!!)

What the 'leaks' point to?

10 core cpus.
'Pro' (stifles a giggle...) GPUs of 5300, 5500 and...durr....
Fusion (FFSake...) drives getting kicked for SSD.

More 'grounded' and tepid expectations.

Certainly an udpate we'd associate with Tim Apple's Apple.

Unrealistic v realistic can depend on which Apple we're talking about?

(After all, you don't expect Apple to include 16 gigs of Ram as standard on an iMac, do you? That would be unrealistic...)

Steve's.

Or Tim's.

Azrael.
 
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It's completely unreasonable, unfounded, unrealistic bs to expect the iMac to come with PS5 tech.

A 6600'M' has been leaked. ie. A 'Mac' version in much the way the 5600'm' is a custom 'Mac' version.

But which Mac will it go into and when.

It's not unreasonable or unrealistic to expect better iMac gpus. Apple charges top dollar and PCs for half the price have better gpus. We should expect Apple to keep timely, update to computers to match their marketing voodoo and boasts...and hold their feet to the fire on out of date drive tech' and paltry 8 gigs of ram. None of those two are fanciful at £1750 and £1950 and higher priced tiers.

Whether we get better gpus (or any other spec) is another matter (and we can point to Apple history to see if or when this has ever been the case. `The only time the iMac had desktop grade gpus is in the iMac Pro with superior cooling. Or in terms of the consumer iMac, the 2012 was a good year with the 680MX and that was a laptop part.)

Sony will sell the PS5 hardware at a loss, probably. But the PC and Mac will have RDNA2 tech' available at some point. (Or not with the AS and unique APPLE dGPU on a very close horizon...) A tower PC will easily accommodate big Navi. The iMac. Maybe it 'could' do it with superior cooling. Or at the least it will get the '6600M' at some point, perhaps as a BTO option.

Maybe that part will be reserved for the iMac Pro. IF that machine will come at all in light of a transition that is imminent.

Azrael.
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59.7 billion in revenue and no new iMac? Amazing. You could think that 0.1 billion investment (I assume this is sufficient) in a new iMac is not too much to ask for.

Aye.

Pathetic.

Azrael.
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i would be shocked if we get RDNA2 pretty sure its a pipe dream. Apple always uses older GFX cards stuff thats cheap for them to mass buy

The tech' press never call Apple out on this. Maybe don't want to lose their review machines.

RDNA2 is coming.

But whether it comes to the iMac or iMac Pro is another thing. (Just look at the state of the current iMacs.)

There appears to be a '6600M' RDNA2 'MAC' part. But which Mac. When. If ever.

Azrael.
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iPhone delayed which is the perfect timing for iMac in Sep with RDNA2 :D :D :D
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So yeah, Sep it is :D :D :D :D

  • Project supply of September releases to be available "a few weeks later."
  • As such, the "product mix" for the September quarter will be different

The timing would make sense.

The RDNA2 is 50% more efficient. So it would suit the iMac in some form. Ergo. The 6600M part that has been leaked.

What I think is reasonable and 'makes sense' and what Apple do to their iMacs doesn't appear to line up.

However, I don't think having better cooling, an SSD, 16 gigs of ram, a bezel trim with a gpu that isn't 3 years old is unreasonable or fanciful.

Azrael.
 
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A 6600'M' has been leaked. ie. A 'Mac' version in much the way the 5600'm' is a custom 'Mac' version.
"M" as i mobile? I do believe we established, hundred of pages ago, after a heated debate that a mobile part made the 27 iMac DOA. Changed you mind?
 
It could be 'M' for mediocre, knowingn Apple and gpus.

It's gonig to be a 'mobile' and SoC future. And these mammals will blow away the dinosaurs of yesteryear. So, ultimately, it's academic. It's about screen sizes and tuning hardware accordingly. Semantics, ultimately.

Simply. Does what's coming perform better. Or is it an excuse to palm customers off with inferior kit guised under superior marketing.

Can we see an Apple SoC gpu beheading the 5700XT? I can.

As for the 6600M.

It may be mobile. It may be more expensive. It may perform less well than the desktop part.

We don't want cut down, under performing parts priced higher than desktop parts that perform better and cheaper.

It may be better performing than the gpus in the current iMac (not that difficult...)

Change my mind? (I was raised by lots of women. So it's certainly possible...heh, heh, heh...)

I actually have a 'laptop' gpu (it's dead Jim...) in my 'dead' iMac. The 'actually not bad' 680MX which was, in fairness, a top ten gpu part of that year. And it's a laptop gpu.

That didn't stop me wanting better 'desktop' gpus in the iMac, though. As it is an area Apple have always skimped on along with RAM. (At least offer consumer towers that can take 'proper' gpus..., Apple...at g'damn reasonable prices.)

I recall that iMac owners rioted one year...and Phil Schiller had to come out and offer a new GPU BTO option (an Nvidia one...ironically...) Which shows. If Apple can get away with offering less GPU, they'll do so. And that they CAN be pressured into offering better.

Out with old iMac tech'.

In with new iMac tech'.

1st rate prices with 1st rate components.

Hope that's crystal clear. :)

Azrael.
 
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It could be 'M' for mediocre, knowingn Apple and gpus.

It's gonig to be a 'mobile' and SoC future. And these mammals will blow away the dinosaurs of yesteryear. So, ultimately, it's academic. It's about screen sizes and tuning hardware accordingly. Semantics, ultimately.

Simply. Does what's coming perform better. Or is it an excuse to palm customers off with inferior kit guised under superior marketing.

Can we see an Apple SoC gpu beheading the 5700XT? I can.

As for the 6600M.

It may be mobile. It may be more expensive. It may perform less well than the desktop part.

We don't want cut down, under performing parts priced higher than desktop parts that perform better and cheaper.

It may be better performing than the gpus in the current iMac (not that difficult...)

Change my mind? (I was raised by lots of women. So it's certainly possible...heh, heh, heh...)

I actually have a 'laptop' gpu (it's dead Jim...) in my 'dead' iMac. The 'actually not bad' 680MX which was, in fairness, a top ten gpu part of that year. And it's a laptop gpu.

That didn't stop me wanting better 'desktop' gpus in the iMac, though. As it is an area Apple have always skimped on along with RAM. (At least offer consumer towers that can take 'proper' gpus..., Apple...at g'damn reasonable prices.)

I recall that iMac owners rioted one year...and Phil Schiller had to come out and offer a new GPU BTO option (an Nvidia one...ironically...) Which shows. If Apple can get away with offering less GPU, they'll do so. And that they CAN be pressured into offering better.

Out with old iMac tech'.

In with new iMac tech'.

1st rate prices with 1st rate components.

Hope that's crystal clear. :)

Azrael.
Just teasing. As long as "M" deliver sufficient they could call it whatever they like. Apple SoC can take on 5700XT, but not this year. Next year with the 27-32 inch iMac, it will.
 
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Just teasing. As long as "M" deliver sufficient they could call it whatever they like. Apple SoC can take on 5700XT, but not this year. Next year with the 27-32 inch iMac, it will.

;)

I know iPadified.

Find it best to keep my tongue planted in my cheek when I discuss all things Apple.

There's a bright tomorrow.

Apple may be making 'billions...'

...but I'd take Steve's resistance fighter 'Apple' with new Mac products every 3-6 months any day. A clear product grid and great value for a 'fair' price.

Bolder. More colourful. More desperate. More innovative.

Braver.

More B*alls. *cough.* I meant to say 'Courage.' :p

After the pricing of the Mac Pro was revealed...I was tempted to say...

'Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.'

...but...

'Afterall, tomorrow...is another day.'


Azrael.
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I wonder if i can get my iMac delivered to prison if i kill someone over tax form rage.

iMac update rage?

Doesn't exist...

G'DAMN IT APPLE??!!? YOU MAKE BILLIONS AND CAN'T UPDATE THE IMAC?

BOASTING THAT YOU"RE SELLING MORE OF LAST YEAR"S 2019 iMAC?

Azrael.
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Whoop. That's nice and an' all...Apple.

But where's the iMac?

Azrael.
 
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16GB of memory on the GPU?

Yes please.

Azrael.
 
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I would rather dream high and then deal with the reality then not. There are rumours and leaks that talk about RDNA2 6600 for Macs so its only fair to assume that it could come to iMac as BTO.

I am reasonable but also a bit demanding. If you pay for something this much you might as well just dream that it will come with 'substantial upgrade' as leaked before.

And those were pretty accurate and prominent leakers so your "unfounded", "unresonable" is actually off in this case.

I would come here and talk about these things if it wasn't for those leaks etc.

Or have we reached the state that us customers are just happy with anything we get? Do you, DrRadon, don't dream big? Don't aim high? Don't hope? And if you answer 'NO' to these - do you not find life a bit dull?

There is tons of crap going on in the world right now (and in general overall), so don't you think that this is a nice escape to come here and speculate what we might get? And if I hope for bigger than reality - do you see me as 'unrealistic bs' person?

I have strong believes and I may not be as eloquently spoken like Azrael but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or 'unreasonable'.

If Apple disappoints then so beat it. We have been there many times before.
We have ALSO been there when Apple surprised us in a good way. Each coin - 2 sides.
I pick the positive you pick the other. Regardless of who is right in the end - I choose to hope for better :)






Listening to Freidas advice won't make you happy. She has been setting herself and others up for disappointment for a solid half year here now and is doing so by setting very unreasonable and unrealistic expectations that a founded on fantasy far more than any kind of precedent or realism.
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Of cause it is. This iMac, based on all information we have, should have been out month ago and Apple is years behind modern GPU tech anyway. And even IF (wich is not happening) Apple won't hold the entire, partially sold out for month now, iMac Lineup back for one extremely expensive up sell on the highest high end model - they would just push it via store update like they did with MacBook Pro 16 inch fairly recently. It's completely unreasonable, unfounded, unrealistic bs to expect the iMac to come with PS5 tech.
And, if you include next gen, apparently super op, tech you also sort of doom yourself to do better with whatever you plan for your ARM GPU next year. Apple will very happily not outdo themselves with the GPU selection on this one because theres cash to be made next year as well.
 
59.7 billion in revenue and no new iMac? Amazing. You could think that 0.1 billion investment (I assume this is sufficient) in a new iMac is not too much to ask for.

They couldn't get the parts from Intel/AMD/LG/whomever to make enough "old" iMacs to meet demand, otherwise they'd have done even better.

If they can't get the parts they need to make the current models, doesn't bode well for getting them parts for a new one, does it?
 
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I cant talk about my personal experience but....i can do this
I really cannot wait for real ARM macs under 5nm AS Screen Shot 2020-07-31 at 19.07.27.pngScreen Shot 2020-07-31 at 19.07.56.png
 
Just watched that video too! Very impressed.

Here for those who have not seen it:
Thanks. Most notable for me was the codenames for three new Macs? at 10 minutes in. Two MacBooks and an iMac hopefully. Still some hope for a Q4 ARM iMac. Also looks like there could be an iPad Pro coming this year. Thought the Mini-led wasn't ready till 1Q21.


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Thanks. Most notable for me was the codenames for three new Macs? at 10 minutes in. Two MacBooks and an iMac hopefully. Still some hope for a Q4 iMac.


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2 laptops and a desktop sounds about right. Hopefully the AS Mac mini gets the latter...

I wonder if within these 3 SoCs, clock speeds will change? I.e low-end 14in MBP is clocked at 2.5Ghz, high-end at 3.5Ghz.
 
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